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I've really upset dh and don't know if I can make it up to him :(

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TheRedSalamander · 20/05/2010 13:37

Dh and I had a row on Tuesday night and I don't know how to even begin to make things better. It was about the fact that I had to get up very early on weds morning to drive 5 hours to get to a meeting, and that I wanted him to help me get the childrens things ready for the morning (book bag, school lunch and nursery bags, uniform etc), he was doing the school run instead of me. I was upset that he wouldn't, when I had just done all the above (as usual) for the last two days plus two evenings of bath and bedtime as he was either playing golf or having drinks with friends after work.

None of that excuses how I behaved however.

When he refused to acknowledge the fact that I had a problem with this and basically ignored me, looking at the computer, I got more and more irate until he finally spat the words "ok I'll f*g do it just stop f*g going on about it" I guess I should have stopped there and be satisfied that he was at least going to help.

But I kept on wanting to talk about why (I felt) he was being so unkind- I even helped him get his golf kit together that morning before work ffs- blah blah blah blah snipe snipe etc. I was being rather controlled and reasonable about this however I didn't rant and rave. More of the same from dh, ie he continued totally ignoring me unless to say shut the f* up I am doing what you want fgs now go away.

Not proud of this but I was holding a towel and ds2's nursery bag and slapped his back with the towel a few times and chucked the bag at him, totally out of anger and frustration before storming off. So unlike me I don't know what happened.

He refused to come to bed that night, slept in the spare room and has refused to talk to me bar the odd text telling me how angry he is that I lashed out at him ever since

I feel so remorseful and ashamed about this, as he points out if the shoe was on the other foot (which it never has been- I trust him 100% not to be violent towards me) this would have been a hideous event. Although it didn't hurt him physically I've obviously really done some damage. What's nearly the worse thing is that I didn't even realise until he told me that it was the fact that I'd lashed out that was winding him up. "If you were a bloke you'd feel sorry for your wife" is what dh said and he's right.

He still doesn't want to talk to me or see me (we work fairly close by to each other and I wanted to see him at lunch time, plus I stayed in a hotel last might as planned because of my meeting on the other side of the country)

Am I able to make this up to him? I feel dirty and scared about this and don't know what to do next

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Unlikelyamazonian · 20/05/2010 20:26

yondan is a nasty wombat

TheRedSalamander · 20/05/2010 20:26

Mmelindt- I was speaking to him but was prob a bit sad and withdrawn. He said he was embarrassed to be seen with me in my swimming cossie, I'm a coupla stone overweight and I know he doesn't like how I look but this was really hurtful and made me feel utterly rubbish. I tried to be reasonable with him in that I wasn't angry or aggressive but it took me a while to want to be jolly again. I still can't work it out, how can he want to sleep with me if my body is so horrible? But that's prob a whole other thread!

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yondan · 20/05/2010 20:28

Add message | Report | Contact poster By Unlikelyamazonian Thu 20-May-10 20:26:51
yondan is a nasty wombat

Very odd.

ItsGraceAgain · 20/05/2010 20:32

< He said he was embarrassed to be seen with me in my swimming cossie, I'm a coupla stone overweight >

Oh dear, Sal. I'm afraid you're due a welcome to the Abused Wives Club

OK, he refuses to pull his weight with the childcare, snarls at you to fuck off when you ask him to do something about getting the kids ready, reckons he's entitled to tell you you're unattractive and he's ashamed to be seen with you ... and has sent you to coventry for, essentially, standing up to him (or trying to).

Now tell me he's a lovely person and a fabulous dad [sighs]

Unlikelyamazonian · 20/05/2010 20:33

Feel very sorry for you Sal Be strong and try to look after yourself.

Many women get driven to the brink of towel-throwing you know.

If your H does not show you love or respect and is so demeaning verbally to you, you have choices you know....choices that might immeasureably improve your life.

junglist1 · 20/05/2010 20:33

Oh great.

ItsGraceAgain · 20/05/2010 20:35

Please read this page. Here's an extract.

Do you:

  • feel afraid of your partner much of the time?
  • avoid certain topics out of fear of angering your partner?
  • feel that you can?t do anything right for your partner?
  • believe that you deserve to be hurt or mistreated?
  • wonder if you?re the one who is crazy?
  • feel emotionally numb or helpless?

Does your partner:

  • humiliate or yell at you?
  • criticize you and put you down?
  • treat you so badly that you?re embarrassed for your friends or family to see?
  • ignore or put down your opinions or accomplishments?
  • blame you for his own abusive behavior?
  • see you as property or a sex object, rather than as a person?
junglist1 · 20/05/2010 20:35

I agree with UA. You've done nothing wrong. Tell him if he's being abused he can go into a refuge. Give him the number

TheRedSalamander · 20/05/2010 20:36

Now what have I gone and done?

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junglist1 · 20/05/2010 20:38

What do you mean

newnamethistime · 20/05/2010 20:45

Redsalamander - I've put up with various sorts of abuse from my h.
Your H's behaviour is similar to mine.
The very fact that you are at the stage of doubting your own judgement is not a good sign. I am in therapy now (as is H), and it is taking some time to learn to trust my own instincts again, but I'm trying.
You will not get good advice from many here that see 'violence' as a black and white issue, simply because they do not understand the nuances of an abusive relationship. They do not understand what emotional abuse/manipulation is like.
I only understood myself that my H was being abusive through reading threads such as these and finding so many similarities within my own relationship.
Once I had my eyes opened I was utterly shocked to realise what had been happening.
The only reason I am still with my H is that he accepted that his behaviour was unacceptable and sought help. I'm not sure how I feel now, but I am getting a better grasp of how I should expect to be treated and I'm more prepared now to stand my ground. (The jury is still out as to whether we will stay together).
Please read up some on emotional abuse, it might help you see what your real issues are.

ItsGraceAgain · 20/05/2010 20:50

What a wonderful post, newname.

Looking at my own behaviours in the past, and at my sibs' today, I have to suppose that abusive behaviours can be learnt in childhood - and that some people will do what it akes to re-train themselves (I hope I have, anyway!!)

Your message shows it is possible to recognise abuse - and to take responsibility for your OWN welfare - without throwing all the toys out at once

I wish you both well, but also feel very happy to know you'll take due care of yourself, whatever happens.

TheRedSalamander · 20/05/2010 20:55

The "oh great" bit- but seeing other posts since I guess it was because you all think he's abusive. He's not though, has a materailistic/ image obsessed streak and is prob the one who wears the trews in our relationship but nobody is perfect and someone got to be the peace keeper right? In this case it's me. Anyway he's just gone to make a cuppa and asked me if I wanted one. In our house that is a "right then business as usual" sign!

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MissTFied · 20/05/2010 20:56

You have done nothing wrong.

This man has driven you to this. Please don't feel sorry for him.

Probably not very constructive in the long run, but I'd ignore his sulky behaviour.

Hullygully · 20/05/2010 20:59

kill him

TheRedSalamander · 20/05/2010 21:05

But doubting my judgement Isnt a sign that he's undermining me or something is it? Doesn't it show that I'm checking how I feel in light of his opinions? I thought marriage had to have an element of compromise and allowing his feelings to influence mine is part of that, if I just held on to my own opinions and refused to entertain his then I wouldn't be nice person really would I. He does take into account how I feel on stuff too. The swimming cossie thing is something i know he doesn't feel good about but it was the truth and although I wish he'd never said it and could liven in blissful ignorance of his true feelings I can't carry on being hurt just because he's not exactly a tactful sort can i!

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Booboobedoo · 20/05/2010 21:06

Hully - we've never 'met', but every time I see you write 'kill him' it makes me snort my tea.

TheRedSalamader - speaking as someone who has experienced emotional abuse, I would like to gently point out that in a happy, balanced, functional, adult relationship, no-one needs to be the peacemaker.

Peace is a natural result of both partners being genuinely concerned for one another's happiness and wellbeing.

Booboobedoo · 20/05/2010 21:08

The swimming costume thing wasn't The Truth, it was his opinion.

He should have kept it to himself.

TheRedSalamander · 20/05/2010 21:08

But doubting my judgement Isnt a sign that he's undermining me or something is it? Doesn't it show that I'm checking how I feel in light of his opinions? I thought marriage had to have an element of compromise and allowing his feelings to influence mine is part of that, if I just held on to my own opinions and refused to entertain his then I wouldn't be nice person really would I. He does take into account how I feel on stuff too. The swimming cossie thing is something i know he doesn't feel good about but it was the truth and although I wish he'd never said it and could liven in blissful ignorance of his true feelings I can't carry on being hurt just because he's not exactly a tactful sort can i!

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WombFrootShoot · 20/05/2010 21:12

Red, honestly? If someone said to me "I'll fucking do it just stop fucking going on about it" and then followed it up with a "Shut the fuck up" I would NOT take those feelings on board and feel that some sort of compromise was reachable...IYKWIM?

Does he talk that way to you often?

ItsGraceAgain · 20/05/2010 21:14

Bless you, Sal. From the little you've posted, I'd say he is VERY rude & disrespectful to you. That doesn't automatically mean you have to chuck him out and change your life But it will get to you if you don't put a stop to it. There are various methods you can try, depending on how you relationship works - but the main point is: don't query yourself if you get angry, query what triggered it and resolve not to put up with it!

IMO, he was well out of order to make such a song-and-dance about the towel incident. A more empathetic/caring man would have instantly worried that he caused you THAT amount of distress (unless you throw bags every morning, which you said you don't do!)

I'm a bit concerned about you glossing over too much stuff, but at the same time I hope you will check out some more information on how control works in relationships - and use what you learn. Take care of your own self and, in doing so, you'll be giving your children a great start.

Hullygully · 20/05/2010 21:14

make him eat your swimming costume

come on woman, he's an arse

ItsGraceAgain · 20/05/2010 21:18

You can't eat lycra, but it's all right to chew ...

rowingcah · 20/05/2010 21:18

Sal - can I take back what I posted earlier and agree with UA, Grace and the rest. Having re-read your post and read the other views (plus the swimming costume remark which is just plain cruel!) UA had it spot on that in decent relationships neither person tells the other one to shut the f* up! I personally got caught up with the towel slapping as that seemed to be the area that bothered you the most. The wiser posters amongst us read it as it should be read and you need to listen to them as they do know what they are talking about. Your husband is really showing a lack of respect and deliberately pushing your buttons and that isn't healthy.

Hully - you make me snort my tea too with the 'kill me' remarks .

WhereYouLeftIt · 20/05/2010 21:43

"... I guess it was because you all think he's abusive. He's not though, has a materialistic/ image obsessed streak and is prob the one who wears the trews in our relationship but nobody is perfect and someone got to be the peace keeper right?"

I have to say that I find this a bit concerning. Why has someone got to be the peace keeper? That implies that peace does not come naturally in the household. And as for 'wears the trews' - hmm. Cue red flashing light ...