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can't stand my H

41 replies

kimtwin · 09/05/2010 20:59

I have been married for 18 years and have four children. I loathe my husband who is a lazy fat malicious spiteful and cruel man. The only reason i am still with him is because i cannot afford to leave him and I cannot contemplate leaving without my children. Is there anyway that I can force him to leave the house?

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cluckyduck · 09/05/2010 21:03

Visit a family law solicitor tomorrow- many offer a free half hour consultation and can give you an idea what your options are.

Do you own or rent?

tuarags · 09/05/2010 21:04

This is very sad. You must have worshipped him at some point. Yes / No?

kimtwin · 09/05/2010 21:08

I can't honestly remember a time since the children were born when I've even liked him.

We own our house, well on mortgage.

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GypsyMoth · 09/05/2010 21:09

Ask a solicitor....he sounds horrible!

cluckyduck · 09/05/2010 21:09

Ok, in that case def see a solicitor ASAP. Are both your names on the deeds/mortgage?

kimtwin · 09/05/2010 21:11

Yes both our names are on deeds and mortgage but we both work and neither one of us could cover mortgage alone

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cluckyduck · 09/05/2010 21:13

My friend left her husband, and they sold the house and split the equity- she used her half to pay her debts, buy a car and put a deposit on a rental property.

Have you been on entitledto.com and seen what help you could get as a single parent?

kimtwin · 09/05/2010 21:21

I will have a look at that website. Thank you. I just cannot leave without my children and he won't go. We haven't discussed this, he barely speaks to me or acknowledges i'm even in the room unless he's lost his car keys, needs something etc. he told me years ago that he would never leave and has often talked about friends who have split up with the father/husband leaving and said you'd never get me doing that. he adores the children and they him although they all comment at some time on how appallingly he treats me. he sees this as me manipulating the children.

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cluckyduck · 09/05/2010 21:25

Oh Kim, that sounds awful. How old are your children? Sorry to keep asking questions.

Sorry you are going through this- I'm not sure how it would work if he won't leave... Hopefully someone who's been in similar circs can advise (looks around hopefully)

could also be worth posting this in the legal section to see if there are any family law experts about.

adventurousmum · 09/05/2010 21:29

Gosh. I know upto a point how u feel. I need similuar advice. Pls feel free to email me. We hav alot in common. Apart from I only have the one. Ive not liked my bf I havent been stupid enough to marry but get engagement ring, to sell - if need be?.Since I moved into his after being together for about 6mnth or less. Hes completly different when he has you there to bully. In my own place, going out. You could call him nice to a point. His mum even said she doesnt like him as a person. He talks to them terribly. He never stops when he starts being nasty. Told me once he wishes someone would do me in. [email protected]

kimtwin · 09/05/2010 21:30

Thanks clucky. My children are between 12 and 17 yeras old. I just thought i could last out until the last one left home but its just getting so unbearable and all my friends and family notice and i feel so humiliated and ashamed i can't go on

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kimtwin · 09/05/2010 21:32

gonna go off line for a little while as i'm nervous he will come in. Thanks all be back on later

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Greensleeves · 09/05/2010 21:33

why is he so hateful towards you? When did it start?

So sorry, it sounds awful

cluckyduck · 09/05/2010 21:34

I would honestly see a lawyer tomorrow, gather the facts, and sit down tomorrow night and tell him how you feel, and where -legally- you stand.

adventurous that also sounds awful, could you stay with family? Do you have any children?

scaredveryscared · 09/05/2010 21:37

Don't think he can force you to sell the house until your youngest is 18. That's what has happened for my sister anyway. She got legal aid to divorce her cheating husband and has to pay it back when she sells the house. She put his share ontop of the mortgage and bought him out is struggling but has never been so happy despite not having much money.

Hope you get some good advice soon. Life is for living and being happy. Hope you are ok xx

Anniegetyourgun · 10/05/2010 11:29

XH refused to go too. Said as I was the one who wanted out, I would have to leave the children behind and pay maintenance. My solicitor begged to differ. I pursued the divorce while we were both living under the same roof, which wasn't fun, but I'm out now and content, and the DCs regard my house as "home" and XH's as "Dad's place" (spoken with a little shudder).

kimtwin · 10/05/2010 13:28

Annie, how long did it all take? I think my husband would really make things as difficult as possible although its not a bed of roses now and so it is something i may have to consider. Well done you, I cannot imagine it was easy for you at all. Did you have to move out or were you able to stay in the family home?

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GypsyMoth · 10/05/2010 13:31

i took my 4 dc to a refuge....best move i ever made! got a HA house away from the mad ex....

life is good!!

kimtwin · 10/05/2010 13:45

Well done 3BB must have been awful. Things aren't so bad we have to do that and i think the kids would refuse to move if i suggested it. He is not violent or aggresive just constant put downs criticism, filthy looks, moaning etc. He doesn't do anything with me, never wants to go out or even just chat, doesn't actually really speak to me at all. In the past I have even thought if only he would hit me then i could call police and would have grounds to have him leave. Sorry to those who have expereinced this I do realise its terrible to be in that situation and not as simple as I have put. Its just when times are really getting me down I have thought that and worse....there was a big motorway crash a while back and i knew he was on that road....found myself hoping he might be dead. Awful i know to wish someone dead so that you don't have to do the hardwork of sorting your mess out but things do feel that grim sometimes

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Anniegetyourgun · 11/05/2010 08:47

Sorry to have ignored your questions kimtwin, I posted and wandered off!

It took two years. There was enough equity in the house to sell up and for both of us to get a smaller place with a mortgage. I did not want to stay in the family home as it had too many bad associations, was out in the sticks and had a massive garden that was all full of his rubbish. I would have been receptive to XH buying me out as he wanted to stay there, but he couldn't afford it.

My solicitor said that however intransigent a soon-to-be-ex may be, in his experience they tend to become a lot more reasonable in the face of a legal letter. STBXH may say divorce is "out of the question", but when the law says it is NOT out of the question, that's when he would have to start thinking about how it might work, and coming to a negotiated agreement with you.

I won't lie though, it was hellish for that couple of years. He would try to make me change my mind by being really nice, but unfortunately - or in another sense fortunately - he could never keep it up for more than a few days before descending into a bullying rant, or saying something so dreadful and crass it would take my breath away, or worst of all, putting pressure on DS4. The thing was, it was only a concentrated version of what he'd been doing for years, that I had been trying to live with and rationalise away and had gone very nearly mad in the process. Once I'd seen it for what it was, him stepping it up only made him appear more reprehensible and, yes, also pathetic. When he'd try to wind me up by pressing one of those well-worn buttons, the thing that really got me angry was the fact that he was trying to wind me up, rather than the issue he was doing it over, if that makes sense. He was so stupid, because all he had to do was not be horrible and I would have stayed. Divorce was against everything I believed in (not to mention expensive) and the DCs said they wanted us to stay together, and I knew he was a bit mentally ill and would have carried on forgiving his funny little ways, carried on doing all the earning and the housework, dealing with the DCs' emotional and psychological needs and the bills and the responsibility for pretty much everything, and putting up with (occasionally even paying for) the old junk he just had to fill every available space with, just so long as he was kind to me... but he just couldn't do it. I suppose he did me a favour really, because now I don't have to put up with any of it.

Magaly · 11/05/2010 09:02

I have a similar story to Annie's, well our xs are similar but I wasn't on the mortgage. Anyway, I agree with Annie, it's tough leaving, you need to make sure you're psychologically ready for the next year, so plan carefully and then when you're ready, GO.... and don't look back and don't flinch.

You've been treading water in a cess pool for far too long and now you're going to hold your breath and escape. That first year will be hard, logistically, practically, financially, and emotionally but it is SO worth it and you won't regret it. I found that all the logistical admin things I needed to sort out came easier than I had imagined, probably because my x wasn't a constant negative presence sapping the life out of me.

I clung on with crampons to a hard life for far too long. I have nothing materially, but I am sane and I am content. I don't think those two simple but essential feelings are possible living under the same roof as a man you hate. he will sap the life and the joy out of everything.

Annie, I know exactly what you mean. If my x had been just a little less nasty and a little less aggressive when he was in a bad tempter, then I would have stayed. Not expecting love or happiness, but I would have thought (in my distorted mindset) that it's not bad enough. Now I'm so glad that he was 100% awful. I might still be there if he could have been slightly less awful. But like your x, he wasn't capable.

Anniegetyourgun · 11/05/2010 09:32

Funnily enough, Magaly, they must have known how to be nice and how to make us happy. Well, we wouldn't have got together with them if they didn't, would we? Then they chose to make us miserable instead.

CJCregg · 11/05/2010 09:45

Annie and Magaly, just wanted to say thank you for reminding me why I left my ExH. It's two years ago now, and sometimes, with a bit of distance, my memories of how awful it was start to fade. But your posts took me right back - my ex was exactly the same, and it's so true - if he'd only be capable of being a tiny bit nicer, more consistently, I'd probably still be there. But like you, I'm glad he couldn't do it, because I've met someone who I'm really happy with and feel at last that I'm in a 'proper' relationship.

Kim, good luck if you decide to go through with it. It is worth it, but it is bloody hard. I didn't have the conversation with ExH for two years because I was too intimidated by his threatening hints about 'never leaving'. Once I'd taken a deep breath and said it, it was a huge breakthrough and although each step along the way was uphill, I didn't let go. It's a fucking nightmare, let's be honest - but what kept me going was that my life as it was was a nightmare, and I couldn't imagine that being the case for the rest of my life.

Really feel for you. Hope you can get some support here.

cestlavielife · 11/05/2010 10:02

talk it thru with a solicitor re: finance etc position.

what kind of marraige is it for him? what does he get out of it? apart from a subservient wife...

my ex also refused to move out and i had to move with the dcs. best thing i did.

still gives me hassle but is much more distant.

start keeping a diary/log of the put downs/criticisms/moans etc.

kimtwin · 28/07/2013 10:17

Just reread this. Two years ago and I'm still with him. I told him a year ago I want us to separate. He says he won't go. I have a flat I can go to but would have to leave kids. How do I do that????? Solicitor has told me it's a bad bad idea to move out without kids. Any adviceplease x

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