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Boring myself with the predictablity of this...

70 replies

GoodGolly · 09/05/2010 15:17

Been with DH for 10 years. Two children. Very happily married.

Discovered last week while innocently (promise!) looking on his computer (which I had mistaken for mine - we both have the same laptop) a photo of a young woman in a bikini, open on his desktop. Did a search and came back with a dozen or so emails between him and this woman, spanning back to when DH and I were first together (there were obviously others he had deleted, referred to in the emails he hadn't bothered to get rid of). Some were sexually explicit, all incredibly flirtatious. The last one was sent a few days ago. It seems he had a one night stand with her 11 years ago (before we met) while on holiday in the country she comes from, and that they have kept up a sporadic but definitely sexual email contact ever since.

Confronted him and he swears he has not seen her since - I think I believe him, as she lives hundreds of miles away and there were no references to meeting up in their emails - and that it was a one night stand and the emails were 'stupid fantasy'. He is obviously mortified and doing the whole 'you are my life, I love you, what can i do to make this up to you' thing.

I feel sick. I thought we had such a good, fair, trusting relationship, with no bullshit. How can you get someone so wrong? And I just cannot understand why he would do this - keep up cheap, dirty emails with a woman he shagged once on holiday 11 years ago. He has completely shattered my trust in him, as now I am wondering if I know him at all.

What the fuck should I do?

OP posts:
Bonsoir · 10/05/2010 20:48

I think, if your DH agrees to stop chatting to this woman, that you should both put it behind you and move on with your life. It really isn't a big deal.

Ladyscratt · 10/05/2010 20:50

How can you say that, after 10 years of being lied to, I wouldn't say that was ok??

And there is no proof he hasn't been meeting her OMG. What if it was you??

AnyFucker · 10/05/2010 20:55

sorry, I meant LS

bubble1 · 10/05/2010 21:30

i am in similar position...hubby of 10 years, 3 kids, thought we were okay etc.
at the moment you are feeling physically sick...am i right? you are in disbelief that someone who you trusted could do this to you, you are emotionally lost, dont know where to turn, need advice...NOW!
just be careful...some advisors on this site appear to get a perverse enjoyment out of other peoples pain. try not to let the snipers get to you.
in the meantime,,,try to move back a step, remove yourself emotionally and physically away from your hubby...give yourself space to lick your wounds
explain to him just how very hurt you really feel...sometimes men do things they think are harmless fun that is completely seperate from their marriage and are then amazed from their wives reactions to it.
keep strong...okay?

GypsyMoth · 10/05/2010 21:33

bubble????

i think everyone is sympathetic and supportive here....why say otherwise?

bubble1 · 10/05/2010 21:39

not you!!! just that as someone in similar situation and needing advice, seems certain people just love nothing more than to stick the knife in when you least need it...thats all.

estuardo · 10/05/2010 21:49

Why do those of you for whom this kind of thing is a "dealbreaker" feel the need to say the same thing several times on the one thread ?

And in similar situations on other threads, the same thing again and again and again?

foureleven · 10/05/2010 21:56

OP, I feel physically sick on your behalf and I hope you find a way to make a decision that you are happy with.

For what its worth I had one of these bombshells and after trying for 6 mths, I realised I could never forgive my ex. We split up and I am now happily ever after.

But we had only been together for two years, not married and only one child.

I think you will know in your heart that there is more to this than meets the eye. But it will take time to come to terms with it all.

My suggestion would be to not try to come to a decision about anything at all. Theres no rush. Can you get away for a bit without the kids?

GypsyMoth · 10/05/2010 21:59

i think (hope) op has taken some time out to reflect on this....

Conundrumish · 10/05/2010 22:15

So sorry GoodGolly - I also wonder if he has been meeting her in other countries while working away. Very possible if she works for a travel agency.

I was also wondering whether it is his attempt at escapism with all you have going on, and whether he meant you to find it? It seems strange he would keep e-mails of this nature and happen to have a picture of her on his open PC.

Chandra · 11/05/2010 00:19

"seems certain people just love nothing more than to stick the knife in when you least need it...thats all"

Well said!

Rachyandmeg · 11/05/2010 01:15

Just tried to post one here GOODGOlly and it wiped the thread.

Basically just saying not everything is Black and White and marriages take workxxxx

Rachyandmeg · 11/05/2010 01:32

Hi Good Golly,

I will try writing this again.

I was trying to point out that not everything in life is Black and White and just leaving him must be a very hard thing for you to do, if you did decide upon this. I dont think anyone can realy understand unless they are in your shoes and situation. It might be easy to say "Just Leave Him" but to be fair I dont think it is as easy as that in reality. We all deal with pain differently some people can shrug it off and move on quickly and some people cant.

I dont think life is a Bed of Roses and I believe relationships take a lot of hard work. Trust seems to be a big issue here and it is upto you whether you decide to work on your marriage or not. I think time will tell on whether you can move on from this or not. I hope you can work things out because you are married and have children together. There must have been a reason why you got married in the first place all those years ago and just hope you can both find that love again. I hope your man can work on things and be faithful to you and treat you the way you deserve and I hope you work on things too and can find a way through.

Rach

foureleven · 12/05/2010 15:02

Goodgolly how are you?

Andy1964 · 12/05/2010 15:39

My god! no wonder the divorce rate is so high.
I can't believe some of you are suggesting that this is the end of a marriage.
Remember those vows "for better or for worse"

No for a males point of view.
The fact that he has kep this concealed is wrong.
The fact that he has given you no reasonable explaination is wrong.
Neither are grounds for divorce.
I once kept something personal about me from my DW, for some time I span her line after line until I got far too deep and had to come clean.
Before you all jump to conclusions It was not an affair.
The truth was not easy to take and I am sure you feel very similar to how my DW felt.
We worked through it, I told her everything she wanted to know and held nothing back no matter how embarrasing it was for me and how difficult it was for her to take.
She did have to ask me questions though as I found it difficult to tell her everything as I was not sure how in depth she wanted me to explain things.
We also worked through things with a bit of councelling but I'm not sure how much good it did.

The least your DH can do is give you a proper explaination but you may have to ask him direct questions for him to answer.

When I mean direct, I mean direct!

eg

"Do you masturbate over her photos"

Be prepared for the answer though.

It's not worthy of divorce, believe me!

Anyway, I will now wait to be shot down in flames by all the other posters on this thread.

ItsGraceAgain · 12/05/2010 17:26

Not shooting at you, Andy, but you have posted a thread about your concern over your wife's depression. It wouldn't be the biggest surprise to find her feelings are linked with your revelations above.

I am acutely aware of the many reasons to stay in a relationship. Infidelity is not an automatic deal-breaker for me - but I understand why it is, for many others. Deliberate deception, however, is unacceptable to me: for reasons the OP is feeling all to keenly right now.

The only concrete advice I'd offer here is: take no prisoners. Demand facts, check & double-check; make him really understand the magnitude of what he's done. I'm afraid it does look as if they met up during those sports trips: check that poperly, too.

I am so sorry this has happened to you. Please remember to take care of yourself & surround yourself with supportive people.

GypsyMoth · 12/05/2010 17:28

hmmm andy,i wonder how you'd feel if your wife lay in bed swapping texts/photos with other men....??

foureleven · 12/05/2010 17:45

"for better or for worse"

Andy, you realise that isnt the ONLY vow you take when you get married dont you?

If DH has broken vows why does the wife have to keep hers..?

My DP is my best friend and I am his, it is our vow (although not yet married) to support each other, build each others confidence, be honest with each other etc etc.

For me (and im not saying OP should have this view, I know she's working through things at the moment in her own way) by breaking my trust he would lose all respect that I have for him. I could never ever forget that.

and I am curious as to your thoughts on what ILOVETIFFANY asked you?

Angelcat666 · 12/05/2010 20:19

I have to admit for me infidelity be it emotional/physical/both is a deal breaker.

Then again I'm not the op. GG take your time, ask him questions as many times as you need to. Insist on relate. Make it clear that you will decide to forgive and forget (or not) on your time scale, not his. If he truly is sorry then he'll accept that.

changethisname · 12/05/2010 21:27

ok, have read and will tell you what happened to me

have namechanged for this

3 years ago when our dd (dc2) was about 4/5 months old, I discovered dh had been swapping sexual emails with a former workmate/girl he had dated (but apparently had never had sex with)

I found this out after we'd had the first weekend away in a long time, and had actually had an amazing time reconnecting with each other as a couple and not as parents. We'd had fabulous sex, been very close, romantic etc and I was feeling happy about 'us'. We'd been married for 4 years a this point, together for 7

Anyway, he left his email open by mistake and I went to go and check my own email, and saw this message which included a porno picture of 2 females, and a message from him to former workmate discussing how he'd like to see her like that, etc etc etc blah blah fucking pathetic blah

further fast digging uncovered a number of other emails beween them all of the same nature

she was also married btw

I went fucking ballistic, he couldn't explain himself, and I immediatley said 'we're over', and I truly wanted to kill him. The hurt I fel was actually physical

He was clearly genuinely devastated and spent a long long time talking to me, apologising, crying, ashamed, mortified, horrified at the outcome of his behaviour..it made me think he actually stupidly had no idea the damage he would cause us if and when I found out

I was honestly beyond devastated - I mean we weren't perfect by any means but I thought we were solid, I thought I could TRUST him, and discovering I couldn't was just awful.

Like Andy said - I asked him the most excrutiating questions which I believe he answered me honestly but I still have his lingering doubt that I don't know EVERYTHING that went on (he swears blind I do)

We stayed together but it has never been forgotten, and still makes me upset thinking about it now,

You are dealing with something that has been going on for YEARS, not months like me. Your dh has fooled himself into believing that wha he is doing/has been doing is not cheating because it wasn't physical (you need to find out if this is true) but he did not reckon on the hurt this emotional affair would cause.

Your outcome depends on what you fundamentally want - can you picture being with him forever more, can he regain your trus, will the anger eat you up or do you think you will get pas this to the point you don't resent him and his disloyalty? I think counselling could help you - I'm assuming he'd agree to that? (I know my previously anti-counselling dh was willing to do it to save 'us').

I understand when AF and others say it would be a dealbreaker - for me it very nearly was but we stuck through it and are really fine now.

Also, he cut off contact from her (obv) and I sent her a strongly worded email telling her to stay the fuck away while I decided whether to kick him out or not (not my finest hour, I admit)

Whatever you decide, you have to be able to deal with your choice, if that makes sense.

Hope you're ok.

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