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What can I do to help (if anything)

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ArmCabbage · 07/04/2010 13:30

I am convinced my partner is Bi-Polar, i am sure it is not healthy to self diagnose another person, but when he will do nothing to diagnose himself I feel the need to be proactive and seek advice. If something isn't done soon then i don't know what will happen.

Currently my partner is sleeping in the car, he has not changed his clothes or had a wash in 5 days. Not eating enough, staring into space, has no recollection of previous conversations, thinks he has told me what he is doing by phone, when he hasn't got in touch. Post hasn't been opened for 6 months, bailiffs are at the door, 60,000 has been spent on his credit cards. He organised our wedding then didn't turn up to it, all manner of things.
He has cut off from all friends and family, refuses to answer any contact, sleeping patterns are incredibly erratic, if he sleeps at all. Most of the time he goes to sleep at 3 in the morning and gets up at 6 in the morning. He is lying about going to work (self employed), losing contracts. Drinking, smoking weed. The same sentences are repeated with not much else in the way of conversation. Sentences filled with hopelessness and despair, but also at the same time seem completely disconnected from reality and almost unemotional and robotic.

This is one side of him, this side is intertwined with a sudden appearance of a positive man. This positive man just joined me for a weekend in Frankfurt in which he said he was going for a walk and dissapeared for 24 hours. 10 minutes before he dissapeared he was joyful and full of random plans for the future that had no practical basis.

This is what i am finding, he is going from complete despair to another person who wants to do everything but has completely unrealistic ideals. His sentences go from the negative to the "things will be great, things will be fine" but then still no realistic lifeskills to put things in place.
He is acting like a child, basic functions of adult care have gone, even from making a cup of tea to shaving. He turned up in Frankfurt with no clothes or suitcase but thought this was perfectly normal.

Another symptom from all of this is suddenly his eyes will turn and he will be angry abusive and damn right insulting. He will find arguments to pursue claiming I brought up the subject when i wasn't even speaking. He will tear people apart he doesn't even know and be judgmental and paranoid. It is frightening to be at the receiving end of as five seconds before he will be telling me how beautiful i am.

Personally i am constantly on edge, i wait and wait as i am now, until he comes back, what i mean by that is at the moment he is a stranger, he wont talk, he doesn't like me, he has no empathy, he is cruel and distant but unaware. I wait for him to come back to earth to tell him what he has been like.
I am starting to discover though, after years of this, he has no control over when he dissapears.

Three doctors appointments have been made, debt advisory appointments have been made, these are made when he is in a different mood, then he misses them because he is cloudy again. I cant handle his debt as i don't have permission, i have only been living with him for 6 months. I am scared he will end up in prison due to him ignoring baillifs and speeding fines and court cases.

Anyhow, I am calling him my partner, but I have decided to leave and secured another home. I still love him and care about him though. So I was hoping for advice on how to help him.

I don't know what to do about getting him help, getting him to wash, getting him to go bankrupt, getting him to sleep in the house or in a bed. I can't see him like this and do nothing.

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hobbgoblin · 10/05/2010 01:09

This is so like my exdp i feel duty bound to ask is his name a**?

GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/05/2010 07:11

I have put this up as it gives accurate information re sectioning (This decision is taken by two doctors being present).

www.mind.org.uk/help/rights_and_legislation/mind_rights_guide_1_civil_admission_to_hospital#process

ArmCabbage · 10/05/2010 08:03

Thanks for your messages, Thank you Eurostar.

I probably shouldn't have put that I don't believe in conditional love, it reads wrong. I meant, even if he is giving nothing it doesn't matter, I want to help him.

I am not normalised to it either, it's a fucking awful situation. I also don't believe I am abused. I have been by him, I have done things about it though, not carried on ignorantly waiting and wanting it to work. I am not simply wanting him home now to have babies. While keeping my fingers crossed he doesn't abuse me, in ignorant bliss forgetting everything that has happened.

Real relationships are that, real. Nobody has the right to define them, my relationship is my reality. I am not delusional or a fantasist. Getting bit tired of justifying myself and why I would want to help him. No, i have not had dealings with mental health problems such as this. Otherwise I wouldn't feel like a fish out of water.

What ties me to him is years and years and years of knowing him as a gorgeous, loving, happy, kind, fun, giving man, who has been there for me more times that I can count.

What makes me want to help, is seeing the pain he is in. Knowing he is ill and wanting him to seek and get help because nobody but nobody should live like this.
I truly believe, well I know, he is ill. I am not doing any of this as some sick need to fulfill my relationship gaps. I am moving out, he sleep in his car. We don't have a sexual relationship. I don't see him as my partner. A good decent suffering person who needs help.

Yes he has been a twat, a complete twat, no I don't put it under the mental health label and let him get away with it. It is something that will be dealt with when he gets well. I am not justifying his behaviour, I am putting it to the side until what ever is going on is addressed.

It's all a moot point just now.

Anyway, he has just rang, in tears, full of anxiety, guilt, pain, suffering and yet again I don't know what to do.

I am ringing mind when their lines are turned on.

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ArmCabbage · 10/05/2010 08:06

and thanks Attilla, I shall read your link when my kids have gone to school. My son has his SAT's today and I promised him a cooked breakfast, kind of regret that one

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tametiger · 10/05/2010 08:23

AC - when this man is 'living in his car' is he actually driving the vehicle? If he hasn't paid his bills is his insurance still valid? If he is driving without insurance and under the influence of weed/booze there is a chance he could injure of even kill another driver or pedestrian. Just a thought - the consequences of his behaviour could impact on more people than you and him. If he is driving illegally or dangerously that could be a way to make the authorities take notice of him.

ArmCabbage · 10/05/2010 08:32

The police were with him all last night. They had no need to charge him for anything. I presume he has sorted his insurance. No he doesn't drink and drive, he parks it up in hidden spots and sleeps.

He was taken to casualty, I think I am going to try and get him back their today while he is in a state. He can't get away with saying he is fine twice.

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hobbgoblin · 10/05/2010 09:13

PD is very complex. Ill under the mental health umbrella and with difficulty moderating behaviour but without the same degree of 'illness' as, say, schizophrenia.

I'm not sure to what extent one should 'excuse' appalling behaviour because the exhibitor fails to limit or moderate it. With PD one is still in control of decisions but the ability to make good choices has been somewhat limited due to emotional/social blueprint, i.e. the disorder so to what degree is the person culpable?

However, the degree of suffering you allow yourself to be exposed to is your choice. You may choose a high level due to the love between you both or you may take a highly rationalised approach and walk away. Personally no amount of love would make me support someone like this again. People with PD (if your DP has this???) rarely change massively. It is all quite bleak if you are experiencing behaviour this bad.

be careful you don't look back and feel a fool one day because love won't fix this problem - all you can possibly do is support change but from your posts I see no evidence of this...

cestlavielife · 10/05/2010 12:02

AC - if he was tkane to casualty he should ahve been assessed by on-call psychiatric nurse. tehy woudl ahve decided next steps eg invite him into attend day centre etc.

somehow you need to know what he told them as opposed ot what he telling you - my exP was adept at persuading all profressionals he was "fine" then coming and sobbing to me and threatening suicide etc.

he was able to turn it on and off. quite amazing...

MIND may be a service provider for MH in your PCT. but if he wont accept help then he wont get any. he has to want to change.

he told you "suicide" - but what did he tell them? "i am fine"? you may not be able to find out.... as they didnt section him it seems then he was probably quite rational...

" he has just rang, in tears, full of anxiety, guilt, pain, suffering and yet again I don't know what to do.
" you must just repeat "you need to call MIND. you need to speak to your GP, you need professional help"

" i cannot help you you need profressional help".

you have a child right? so you have to focus on him.

decide how much time you want to spend on this adult.

i have been on receiving end of "you can help me" when i could not. i dont know why they do this - but they do, they want to suck you in....

it was made clear to him in family therapy only he could seek help for himself.

2 years on we completely separated etc - he will still go to people how i "never supported him when he was ill" etcetc.

he is choosing to live in his car - what can you do to help him? nothing..

it is hard and confusing. speak to MIND yourself about this.

but SGB's words are wise and worth repeating:

you must remember that (as with addicts)
YOu didn;t cause his mental illness
You can't control it
You can't cure it.
It's good and kind of you to keep caring and wanting to help, but you must protect yourself

there is a limit to what you can do because he is choosing to lvie his life this way. if he reaches out to you - you have the right to set conditions "i will talk to you when you ahve seen MIND."

youc an offer to attend appt " I am happy to come to an appointment with you to provide moral support"

but you talking to him and listening - well it wont solve anything for him; and it will only suck you into something that will take over. set your boundaries, dont let his life and woes take over yours - and your dcs.

ArmCabbage · 10/05/2010 20:27

Well, things take another turn. He has not paid the court for not having insurance, they take this very seriously. I have had to clear the house of my items as men have been knocking on the door. If he doesn't find £600 in 5days he's going to prison.

I don't want judging on this anymore, I will get away from him, well I am getting away from him. But, wow, prison, what a head f@ck.

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whatname · 11/05/2010 09:50

AC, I don't know a lot about mental illness, but from what you have described, he sounds like he must be dealt with by the professionals. If that is medical professionals, or the police, then maybe you have to trust that they will get it right.
you have to move on with your own life, it sounds like this is really getting you down, and that's not fair. never mind the practicalities of baliffs knocking on your door and the consequences of that. you are only being a caring person, and I think some of the talk about angry, abusive men doesn't really apply here. It sounds like a very unique situation, so talk to mind if you think it will help, but it maybe that there are no answers and you have to let go.
focus on your own life, did you hear about the house?

SolidGoldBrass · 11/05/2010 11:37

AC: If he goes to prison, it's his own fault for refusing to seek or accept any help. There is NOTHING you can do about this.
Remember, bailiffs cannot enter your house without a warrant, do NOT let them in, tell them politely that you are not going to let them in because he doesn;t live there any more and is not financially linked to you, explain to them that you don't owe any money and you are NOT responsible for this man's debts. If the bailiffs are aggressive, you can call the police, espcially as the debt is not yours.

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