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A stupid woman and a cautionary tale

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reallysorry · 22/02/2010 15:10

This is going to be really long, so apologies in advance. I am also going to get flamed, which I am prepared for and thoroughly deserve.

However, I feel I am at breaking point. I've put myself there, so I deserve everything I'm going through, but I just need to get it down to stop it whirling in my head.

Basically, I have had an affair. I can't believe that I've done it, just writing it makes me feel sick and it's turned everything I thought was true about myself upside down to the point where I don't know who I am anymore.

It was with a man I met at evening class. We were friendly at first, but he made it very obvious that he fancied me, which was a massive boost to my confidence. I've always had very low self esteem, and the attention this man paid me made me feel special for the first time in my life.

However, I didn't fancy him at all, so thought it would be harmless to carry on the friendship as we did get on really well, made each other laugh, etc etc.

What an idiot I was. Of course, the relationship became closer and closer, until we were having what I can only call an emotional affair. Basically, I fell in love with him...or the way he made me feel. I have to say, during this time I felt a million dollars, felt attractive for the first time in my life, had more confidence than ever before, etc etc etc. It was totally addictive, and I spent hours online chatting to him while neglecting my family...something I'll feel terrible about for the rest of my life.

Once the class finished, we continued to see each other, meet for coffees, have email conversations that lasted all day, etc etc etc. He told me that he loved me, that I was the person he should have met years ago, that I was sexy, gorgeous, smart, funny...I lapped it up.

I suppose I should provide some background...up to this point my marriage had not been plain sailing to say the very least. I'd been having therapy for years, had asked my dh to go for couples therapy to no avail, and there were two issues in particular that were causing huge problems and resentment in our marriage. I didn't feel emotionally connected to my husband, had told him so on several occasions, and he did nothing to change that. I'm not trying to excuse my behaviour (or maybe I am), just trying to explain where I was at the time.

So, anyway, as the relationship with this man continued I tried time and time again to break it off. Tbh, most of our time spent together was spent angsting over what we were doing, how we shouldn't be doing it, how we were going to stop. I'm mentioning that to show that I wasn't blase about what happened at all...I felt bloody terrible all the time, wasn't sleeping, started drinking too much. It was awful. But the times I spent with this man were some the happiest of my life.

All my life I've felt I was walking around with a hole in my stomach that could never be filled, and being with him filled it. I can't explain it, I can't understand it and I don't like it, but it's true.

I never had sex with him. I'm not trying to say I wasn't unfaithful- of course I was. But we never had full sex. That's the only thing I cling onto when I'm in self flagellation mode.

Anyway, I managed to cut contact a few weeks ago and told dh that I had fallen in love with this person. As a result of this and our other problems we are attending couples counselling. Part of me wants to tell him the whole story, but he has told me he doesn't want to hear what I did or didn't do. As far as he is concerned it was emotional infidelity only, and he is only interested in moving forward rather than raking over the past.

So now I'm in a position where I'm having two lots of therapy a week, am carrying lots of guilt, am trying to get over this man and am trying to find my way back to my husband and marriage.

I know I deserve it, and I've known all along it was coming. I used to say to my OM that there would be a huge emotional fallout to what was going on, and there has been. I just wish I'd had the strength to walk away when I could sense there was more to it than friendship. I wish I'd had some boundaries, some loyalty, some bloody integrity.

I suppose I'm posting this as a warning to those teetering on the brink of an affair. It might feel good in the short term, but it really, really isn't worth it. It's shitty, and you will pay a price, and so will those around you.

Thanks for listening.

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iceagethree · 22/02/2010 17:07

I think you're pretty strong. If I had an affair and stopped it I think I would probably burn in hell before I came clean about it. Terrible thing to say but I think I would. I think you are pretty upright for being honest.

BaggyAgy · 22/02/2010 17:10

My husband has emotional affairs. I refuse to take any of the blame for it. He cheated on his first wife and again on the partnership that followed his first marriage. Its just something that he does. Everyone is responding to my threads by telling me to leave him. It's odd that they are so kind to you when they call my husband abusive names..

I envy you the relationship with the OM. He sounds lovely. Why end it with him. I can't find it in me to be angry with you. I hope all turns out well for you.

PfftTheMagicDragon · 22/02/2010 17:10

Nikita, I didn't say that she was trying to justify her affir by citing the problems in her marriage, but earlier in the thread she said that her therapist had said that the affair was a symptom of the problems in the marriage. I was responding to this.

I also didn't say that anyone here was spouting platitudes, simply that I think it is very easy for people to say "symptom of the problems" as a response to an affair and it is understandable why this would make someone who had been involved in an affair a bit better. Which is one of the reasons I think it is a mistake to say it.

The OP had already said that she didn't really believe that what the therapist said was true so I was not bein unsupportive. Emotional support does not only come in the form of "poor you, have a cup of tea and a hug". The OP is trying to learn and move on and the warm fuzzies is not going to achieve that, a fact that I think the OP is aware of.

AnyFucker · 22/02/2010 17:13

baggy, I think the difference here is that the Op shows remorse for what she has done

whereas, your husband has done this repeatedly, with several women and continues to do so, knowing full well how much it hurts you....

< shrugs >

probono · 22/02/2010 17:16

I don't know. She's beating herself up pretty bad. Warm fuzzies can't be that useless. She needs to have confidence in herself to work things out afresh. There are positives.

I must admit, I do respect the point of view that an affair is just about the person who had it, but I don't really understand it. How can it not be about problems in a marriage, if there is no concern, and feeling, and respect, and kindness?

I don't say this argumentatively: I do respect the point of view.

reallysorry · 22/02/2010 17:28

anyfucker I was never in any doubt about the unsuitability of the man nor my stupidity. He's a player, he has history, he's a bugger, to be honest. And I knew exactly how stupid I was being...but he was so kind to me, and honest about his failings, and very emotionally open, which was like nectar. Short answer is, I loved him. I tried very hard to end it, had loads of breaks, but always came crawling back. But it came to the point where I just had to end it once and for all, for the sake of everything else in my life.

Baggyaggy I'm sorry about your husband. I really know I will never do this again. I feel so bad, it's just not worth it - and apart from that, it's wrong.

pfft not much is going to make me feel better, other than loads of hard work and therapy and I suppose, time.

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AnyFucker · 22/02/2010 17:37

ok, RS, I take your point

you sound very emotionally aware (now), what an awful pity people (including you) got hurt along the way...

how did he take it when you ended it ? Do you feel there may be any further fall-out eg. if his wife were to find out...

sometimes these things have a horrible tendency to not go away... (not trying to spook you, btw)

BaggyAgy · 22/02/2010 17:40

Probono (good legal term and so appropriate) Some people thrive on the initial stages of a relationship and find the later stages of a relationship boring. They seek constant admiration ( she will laugh at all the jokes and stories he has etc when everyone else yawns having heard them all before) They thrive on the attention of a new relationship, the flattery, the praise before they get seen through. They may need constant thrills of a new illicit relationship. They keep it secret from the spouse so that the marriage continues. The marriage may seem very good to them, their need for conquests is seen as separate. Therefore they hide the relationships, lie and deceive. Unfortunately, however much they say they value the marriage, the other partner is humiliated and hurt. They do not always appreciate this or care. If no sex is involved, and sex isn't that important in an affair if what you want is attention from the opposite sex, they will maintain that they have done nothing wrong. For example, my husband was always trying and failing to get his mother's attention/love. Maybe he sees getting attention/affection/approval from other women as somehow fixing the awful relationship with his Mother. Therefore if this is correct, the affairs are about him, the problems in his past and not necessarily about me or the marriage. however when I leave him, he will no doubt feel that I am abandoning/criticising him as his Mother did.

reallysorry · 22/02/2010 17:41

Oh, you couldn't spook me any more than I already am.

He took it really well - as ever. He just lets me make the decisions, then goes along with them. He wished me happiness and good luck, said he would miss me and I haven't heard anything since.

As far as his wife goes, I don't see how she would find out. He'd never tell her, and he deleted all emails. He's good at this, it's not the first time

The fear of it blowing up in my face is just something I have to live with. It's part of the price you pay when you behave like I have.

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probono · 22/02/2010 17:47

Baggy I am so sorry. I realise my post looks like a criticism of you. Buggery bugger. I am so sorry. I guess I can understand how in some cases it can be just how the person is. But then, in some others, not at all.

I guess I don't know as much about this as I opinionate about.

AnyFucker · 22/02/2010 17:48

baggy, I really agree with much of what you are saying, but it is out of place on this particular thread

of course, you can post what you like, where you like, and I'm sure RS doesn't mind

but your experiences (which I am so sorry for you about, btw) are incongruous here

this is a totally different scenario

BaggyAgy · 22/02/2010 17:51

Hi Reallysorry, I see that the other man was a player. Poor you. You probably feel that you were gullible and easily taken in. WE all are at times. Put it down to experience and detach from it. Maybe he targeted you as he saw you were vulnerable. Maybe he gets his kicks by conquering women. You are a victim and deserve our sympathy. Learn to laugh at how gullible you were, but are now older and wiser. If you have learned something about your vulnerability it isnt wasted experience. Dont let your husband beat you over the head with this. Dont' accept the role of evildoer. You made a mistake, to do so is human. Good luck.

Janeyloubylou · 22/02/2010 17:57

You should be thoroughly ashamed, you're evidently a s*.

BaggyAgy · 22/02/2010 18:00

Hi Anyfucker. My intention was to write as the wife of a cheating husband who has done it before, just like the OM in ReallySorry's experience.

thehillsarealive · 22/02/2010 18:01

reallysorry - I think i may have heard your story before, and if you are the same person I wont out you. Suffice to say, you were loose and there was elastic - if that makes sense, you know who i am, a friend of eeyore...

sorry if this all sounds very cryptic to everyone else.

OK - if you are not the same person then your story is similar to a friend of mine from another forum, and i will say the same to you as I did to her, STOP beating yourself up over this, it happened, it is done and you are trying to recover from it.

Is your husband going to help you with your confidence and emotional issues? Are you getting enough help for them?

reallysorry · 22/02/2010 18:03

Wow.

Quite a range of responses.

I am thoroughly ashamed, Janeyloubylou.

Baggyaggy, you are unbelievably kind. I'm sorry if my experiences have upset you and I hope you'll be happy soon.

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Irishchic · 22/02/2010 18:03

Janeyloubylou - Are you for real?

If so, do grow up!

HesterPrynne · 22/02/2010 18:05

ReallySorry, you are very brave.

I'm in a very similar place, but can neither fully break it off or tell my H. Not because I don't know what I want/ought to do, but because I have that same hole in my stomach that you describe.

Unfortunately, neither your warning in the OP or AF's suggestion of cold water at the start, would have helped me - I knew/know it's wrong, I hate being the sort of person who would do this to a spouse, but, pathetic as I know it sounds, I can't drag myself away.

But again your honesty and bravery are a testament to you and hopefully an inspiration for me

reallysorry · 22/02/2010 18:06

thehillsarealive - sorry, I think it must be a coincidence, I've never been on any other forum

I'm having therapy until it's coming out of my ears to deal with my various issues.

I'm not asking my dh for much at the moment. Too busy making it up to him.

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probono · 22/02/2010 18:08

RS, you need to ask more of him, so as not to be in the same place as before.

Is that a wrong thing to say given my rubbish go at it last time? I do think that but really don't want to give offence.

HesterPrynne · 22/02/2010 18:09

There's obviously alot of us sad, emotionally unfulfilled sadsacks about

reallysorry · 22/02/2010 18:12

Probono - hopefully the couples counselling will have a good effect on the marriage. I just don't want to make him feel like it was his fault.

HesterPrynne - I was weak for a very long time. I sort of reached a tipping point where it was doing me a lot more harm than good. The guilt got to me.

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thehillsarealive · 22/02/2010 18:32

reallysorry - well your situation is very very similar to my friends, and time does help in the healing process - on yours and your husbands side.

I think you need to work on your marriage - but lets be totally honest here, you cannot do it alone, your husband has also got to change as you felt so emotionally neglected that you went elsewhere for affection. I hope your counselling works for both of you.

Fizzfiend · 22/02/2010 18:38

Reallysorry....it's not just you that has to work on your relationship, it's your DH too. You sound like a very lovely person.

I have been having an affair...my DH cut off any sexual contact with me and refused to discuss it although I tried for years to make it better. Gradually we stopped hugging and all intimacy disappeared. I don't blame myself, I blame him too because I tried so hard.

Now he's found out and wants a divorce. Black and white for him. But I am dealing with it because I don't want to spend the rest of my life with an emotionally repressed person. Plus I want to have a proper sexual relationship and don't see why I should have to give that up just because he's gone off it for some reason. (I am fit and look good for my age, cook, clean for him, but I don't know what he wants).

You have to decide if you can really work it through with your DH. Will he change to be the person you want. Everyone needs love, emotional connections. I, for one, eventually gave up trying to get one. Good luck.

AnyFucker · 22/02/2010 18:54

sorry, baggy, I see how you were posting now

it just didn't make sense to me on this thread

ignore me

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