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Please give me your advice re cheating - don't know what to do!

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OnceACheater · 22/02/2010 12:36

Loads of very personal info about to be disclosed so obviously name changed.

We've been married for 2.5 years, together for 9 years, planning TTC DC1 later this year.

I come from a very dysfunctional family and have suffered from depression and low self-esteem most of my life. He had an idyllic childhood (I have a lot of trust and respect for his parents - they truly have a perfect marriage).

I know it sounds corny and unrealistic but I've always seen DH as my knight in shinning armour. He pretty much saved me from a life of constant despair, treats me like a princess, has been there for me during the lowest periods in my life, makes me feel special in so many ways on a daily basis. He is in many ways all that I could ever wish for in a man (kind, funny, intelligent, hard working, supportive).

Not everything is perfect of course. We're from different countries and I do have a tendency to misinterpret him and he sometimes finds it difficult to explain his feelings. So we do have very heated arguments every now and then but once we calm down and talk, we learn, move on and generally have a great time together.

Oh gosh, I'm trying not to make this too long!

18 months into our relationship he left to work abroad. This was always his plan and even though I encouraged him to follow his dream I never really expected him to. I always hoped he he would love me enough not to want to go. I was heartbroken but we agreed to 'stay together' but if either one met someone else we would tell the other person and end our relationship.

We kept in touch and I went to visit him a couple of times. After about 6-8 months he told me he had met someone else and had been with her before I visited him. At the time he didn't think it was cheating...! Of course I was devastated, again. Specially when he admitted he had been with 3 different women in total during that time.

After working abroad for 12 months he decided he wanted to settle down and he wanted to be with me for the rest of his life. I agreed to give it another try but I expected some serious commitment. We had a difficult long distance relationship for a year (he went back to his home country to save some money so we could move in together). We spoke on the phone pretty much every day and saw each other every 2 months. I pushed him away a lot during this year but we stayed together by focusing on how good things had been in the first 18 months of our relationship.

After a year we felt financially ready to move in together. I wanted to get married before we moved in but agreed that it would be wise to actually try to live together first. I agreed as long as living together would not be a long-term option. We got engaged after 6 months and married 2.5 years after that (we had to save some more!).

We started arguing A LOT when we moved in together and after 4 months of this went to Relate. He stopped going when the therapist kept on asking him about his childhood. I think he felt bad about possibly criticising his parents/family and I can understand why because they are lovely (although it's not normal that no one in his family has any disagreements).
I kept going on my own as I had A LOT of issues from my childhood/teenage years. I'm still going now. We managed to work through my feeling abandoned by him and having unrealistic expectations of a 'perfect' life.

I guess when you grow up in the middle of chaos you survive by believing that when you grow up, you'll be able to take control and be happy. I now know how unrealistic this is but still struggle. I either expect things to be horrible or perfect...

After about a year of marriage I found out that he had visited prostitutes about a month into our relationship during a lads trip abroad. He said he didn't think our relationship was serious at the time and if he knew how serious it was going to be he would not have done it. He feels embarrassed about it now and really regrets it. And so do I, as I consider paying for sex to be the same as rape since it's taking advantage of vulnerable women.

So we worked through a lot of issues and I'm very happy with our relationship. I have been out of work for 3 months now with depression and anxiety and after I managed to explain what I needed from him (support and gentle does it) he's been incredible. After some very low days (seen GP and had anti-depressants increased and anti-anxiety tablets) I've only just started seeing a light at the end of the tunnel.

I've now finally starting to feel like we have a bright and happy future in front of us.

Saturday night I found messages on his Facebook. He wrote to this girl thanking her for a great time, how he didn't regret it, etc. This happened 2 years ago, 6 months after our wedding!!!

He says it didn't mean anything, she came onto to him and they kissed. It was her leaving the country do. He says he doesn't know why he did it, he really regrets it, and it's shit timing. He says it's not my fault I didn't do anything wrong and I don't deserve it.

He had a A LOT of partners before we got together. He doesn't know how many confused. I was a virgin when we met! He used to be a party animal but I'm more of a stay at home girl (social anxiety doesn't help). Ha calmed down a lot even when we first started dating.

Our sex life had taken a nose dive since he went back to his country and I wonder if he felt the need to prove he still had it.

I'm not the jealous type and am not prepared to live my life constantly checking his pockets or smelling his shirt collars. In fact we often joked about neither of us being the overly jealous type. His friends are always telling him how lucky he is, but now I'm not surprised they do sad.

But how much is too much? I find it very difficult to understand women who stay with men who disrespect them (specially by cheating). And now I find myself in this situation... He's my dream man in every other way. There's no one else I would want to spend my life with and I feel very lucky to have him in my life as I don't think there are many men like him out there.

But is he going to keep on breaking my heart? Am I expecting to much from him? Too little?

I called his parents when I found out about this girl on Saturday as I needed advice and I knew I would just cave in and forgive him eventually if I didn't do something drastic. I needed some advice and to somehow explain to him how much he hurt me.

They told me to try to be calm (I was feeling like there wasn't any point in my life anymore) and told him how stupid he's been and told him to look after me and respect me.

He has been doing this. I had a funny turn last night (not enough food/fluids, anaemia, increased medication, too many anti-anxiety tablets and some weed) fainted and he had to call an ambulance because I didn't come round for 30-40 seconds. He's been really caring over all this and his coming with me to see my GP today (I refused to go to hospital).

Oh gawd thank you if you read all of this. It has helped me to think about it if nothing else. Although I keep on having the same questions running through my head over and over again.

I just don't know what to do... I can't live without him but it feels like he can live without me, or without considering my feelings. But should I be complaining when he's so perfect in every other way I can imagine . Am I stupid to think he's not going to do it again? I'm so confused

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kittyonthebeam · 24/02/2010 16:36

First of all I would stop to TTC! Immediatetely abandon those plans.

Your relationship sounds rocky and I don't think a child will mend that. A baby can test the best marriage/partnership and I'd really focus on yourself now if I were you.

I can only echo what Laurie and dietzisma said (and others): he is not perfect, neither are his parents. Don't sell yourself short girl!! Continue therapy and work up that self-esteem!

As AF said: he has cheated on you at every possibility. I highly doubt he will ever be faithful. You sound worlds apart. I can see the attraction but it's a powder keg waiting to explode in your face.

If I were you, I'd try to stand on my own two feet, financially as much as emotionally and find someone else who's better suited for you and the dreams you have. He doesn't seem to respect you.

BaggyAgy · 25/02/2010 17:36

Hi,

You poor thing. Cheating men don't change they just get better at concealing it. If you are pregnant or have children you will be preoccupied and he can cheat soooooo easily. Besides you will then have to think of the effect on the child of losing its father. For now you only have to think of your own well being. You are struggling with that. A pregnancy would make you more dependant on him, and you would expect/need even more from him. Remember he is happy to deceive you, lie to you, betray you and humiliate you. I know how that feels. Get out whilst you can. It will be more difficult to make the break if you have children. He knows that. So he will cheat, then lie, etc. knowing that you will find it hard to leave. I have been where you are. Of course he is lovely to you, he sees his "fun" as his reward for parenting you. He sees you as too weak to stand up to him. Like me, you are the ideal wife because he has been able to persuade you that he is a good husband and that you can't live without him. Inside he was laughing./

AnyFucker · 25/02/2010 21:28

good post baggy, I am just sorry you had to get that experience the hard way ...

AuntieMaggie · 25/02/2010 21:35

OAC - not much advice to give you other than to listen to the advice you've already been given.

OnceACheater · 27/02/2010 20:31

Just wanted to come back and thank everyone who was brave enough to read my ridiculously long OP (!), shared their experiences and gave me some much needed advice

I feel like my eyes have finally been opened but it's scary to realise how much and for how long he abused my trust and love for him. But I guess I shouldn't have given them to him in the first place...

I tried so hard not to let my issues cloud my view of him and our relationship that I became a pro at ignoring all the doubts in my mind.

Still wondering whether he loved me despite his issues or if he just took me for a ride all this time.

Anyway, he's had more than his fair share of second chances and I can see how unhealthy our relationship is/was.

I think we need to separate for a good 6 months and then get divorced.
Now that I've had time to think about it, I'm actually feeling more positive about my future (it'll be nice being my own boss). Just need to find a place to live...!

Oh and tell him. And get a divorce lawyer

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AnyFucker · 27/02/2010 20:35

OAC, I am very glad to read you have gained some clarity

lots of difficult hurdles for you to yet jump,but I wish you all the best x

OnceACheater · 27/02/2010 21:13

Thanks

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BelleDameSansMerci · 27/02/2010 21:23

OAC, it sounds as if you had a horrible childhood which is still impacting you. You are behaving like a victim to this man's ego.

Can he change? Possibly but why would he? You have taught him that he can do this, be forgiven, do it again, be forgiven, etc.

I know this sounds harsh and I'm not trying to hurt you but I honestly can't see how this man is good for you.

BelleDameSansMerci · 27/02/2010 21:24

Sorry, cross posted!!

OnceACheater · 27/02/2010 21:27

Can't blame you

And yes it hurts but I know you're right

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BelleDameSansMerci · 27/02/2010 21:29

You sound like you need to believe that you are "worthy of love" etc. I know that sounds all psychobabble and I'm only allowed to say it because I'm the same

ItsGraceAgain · 27/02/2010 22:01

OAC, I've been reading your thread and wincing at your pain! You've received good advice, and clearly have great support both from the professionals and your best friend. I'm relieved that you have

On Tuesday, you had a kind of epiphany. You wrote:
"When we met I was ... depressed, confused, unaware that a lot of things I considered normal in my life were far from it.
He was the first person in my life to make me feel loved and that I mattered as a person. I think that's where the knight in shinning armour stuff comes from ... I think he saw me as his 'little pet project' or something.
I understand these are not the basis of a healthy relationship"

That was amazing! You've come a very long way in a very short time, and I think you need to cut yourself some slack. As your therapist will have told you, recovery isn't a linear chart with a steady upward line (if only!). It's more like a very wiggly scribble, with setbacks and inversions although the overall trend is up. If you simply STOP seeing your husband for a reasonable period - you mentioned six months, which could be a good start - you'll be giving yourself a fair shot at focusing on your therapy. You seem to be in a phase of rapid change at the moment; it'd be a shame to waste all that emotional energy on fretting over your husband's infidelities, when it could be put to so much better use, healing your self!

It sounds as though he was what you needed at the time when you met - you were very lost back then. I'm afraid I agree with the others, in that he has a peculiar attitude to women and hidden problems of his own. You are gowing up ... and he's not. You're leaving him behind. I'd love to think you will make the most of the security you can get, with your therapist and your friends, and grow some more. If, later this year, you (a more confident, wiser and more self-reliant woman) meet with him again - it will be on different terms. You may see him very differently indeed: who knows?

I wish you all the luck you deserve (plenty!) and all the help you need

ItsGraceAgain · 27/02/2010 22:04

Sorry, missed a bunch of posts
You didn't need mine!

OnceACheater · 27/02/2010 22:57

"It sounds as though he was what you needed at the time when you met - you were very lost back then. I'm afraid I agree with the others, in that he has a peculiar attitude to women and hidden problems of his own."

This is so true. He's been texting me telling me how sorry he is, how much he regrets it, and all the usual stuff but I've ignored him. Today amongst all the fluffy stuff his text asked me not to blow this out of proportion!!!! Can you believe it?

WhenwillIfeelnormal It's very clear now that he sees women as saints or sinners and what happens with the sinners doesn't matter. After speaking with his dad today I can clearly see why.

Just called him and in between his sobs told him we could meet on Wednesday pm. He called back asking what would happen and why couldn't we meet any sooner. It felt great telling him it wasn't convenient! Just like he did on Sunday night. Because he wanted to watch some sport or another on TV. We have Sky+ !!!!

But he sounded so upset. I hope I can keep strong on Wednesday...

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AnyFucker · 27/02/2010 23:01

why are you meeting him ?

OnceACheater · 27/02/2010 23:45

Because I need to tell him that I want us to separate. I think for both our sakes this needs to be done face to face.

We also need to figure out what to do about the flat (we were waiting for me to get a job so we could get a mortgage and the landlord is putting the pressure on - for understandable reasons) rent, etc.

Call me crazy but I want to look him in the eye and tell him how hurtful he's behaviour has been. Maybe he won't care but I hope it will make him get help for his own problems.

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AnyFucker · 28/02/2010 09:01

sorry, had to go to bed last night

ok, I get that some things need saying face to face....but I have a feeling it is too soon for you

you have been on such a rollercoaster, you are in real danger of crumbling faced with a charm offensive, effusive apologies and empty promises to "change"

my advice to you would be to keep your distance until you are feeling really, really strong

however, whatever you decide, all the best x

Nancy66 · 28/02/2010 10:19

OAC - so pleased to have read your most recent updates.

It sounds to me as though you were always completely incompatible. And, as you've now realised, there is no way in the world this man will ever, ever EVER be faithful to you.

Stick to your guns.

OnceACheater · 15/03/2010 17:30

Once again just wanted to update and thank everyone who read and posted (and MNHQ!!!!).

Now that I'm over the shock I can see how is inability to admit to his feelings about 'looking after' someone who though she was completely dependent on him got us where we are today. No, not making excuses for his behaviour, but that's what I hope therapy will help him with.

He's moving out today for 6 months. And I'm really looking forward to being an independent and responsible adult (for the first time in my life really).

I'm hoping after 6 months of therapy for him and time on my own for me, our heads will be in a much better place, that will allow us to have an equal and happy relationship.

I've also been spending time discovering who I really am and all I have to offer the world! And you know what? It's a lot It was scary to begin with (sleep deprivation made me go a bit crazy), but now I have a great job in mind and a few potentially very successful business ideas too. So things are definitely looking up!

Also wanted to say that when someone first posts about a problem it's likely that they are in shock (I know I was). Reading my posts back it's a bit like reading about someone else
So do give your advice but please remember you're only reading/seeing a very emotional part of who someone really is. And whatever you write can be just as hurtful as it is helpful.
But I guess that's part and parcel of posting on internet forums

Still, I'm very thankful for all your advice, kind words and support

I will stop posting under this name now as I've shown dH (!) this thread (when he thought he WNBU ) and a few close friends too (to save me having to tell the same story over and over again ).

I now need to get out there and live my life!

Thanks for helping me get to this point Couldn't have done it without you or my wonderful friends

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AnyFucker · 15/03/2010 17:40

good luck OAC x

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