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Please give me your advice re cheating - don't know what to do!

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OnceACheater · 22/02/2010 12:36

Loads of very personal info about to be disclosed so obviously name changed.

We've been married for 2.5 years, together for 9 years, planning TTC DC1 later this year.

I come from a very dysfunctional family and have suffered from depression and low self-esteem most of my life. He had an idyllic childhood (I have a lot of trust and respect for his parents - they truly have a perfect marriage).

I know it sounds corny and unrealistic but I've always seen DH as my knight in shinning armour. He pretty much saved me from a life of constant despair, treats me like a princess, has been there for me during the lowest periods in my life, makes me feel special in so many ways on a daily basis. He is in many ways all that I could ever wish for in a man (kind, funny, intelligent, hard working, supportive).

Not everything is perfect of course. We're from different countries and I do have a tendency to misinterpret him and he sometimes finds it difficult to explain his feelings. So we do have very heated arguments every now and then but once we calm down and talk, we learn, move on and generally have a great time together.

Oh gosh, I'm trying not to make this too long!

18 months into our relationship he left to work abroad. This was always his plan and even though I encouraged him to follow his dream I never really expected him to. I always hoped he he would love me enough not to want to go. I was heartbroken but we agreed to 'stay together' but if either one met someone else we would tell the other person and end our relationship.

We kept in touch and I went to visit him a couple of times. After about 6-8 months he told me he had met someone else and had been with her before I visited him. At the time he didn't think it was cheating...! Of course I was devastated, again. Specially when he admitted he had been with 3 different women in total during that time.

After working abroad for 12 months he decided he wanted to settle down and he wanted to be with me for the rest of his life. I agreed to give it another try but I expected some serious commitment. We had a difficult long distance relationship for a year (he went back to his home country to save some money so we could move in together). We spoke on the phone pretty much every day and saw each other every 2 months. I pushed him away a lot during this year but we stayed together by focusing on how good things had been in the first 18 months of our relationship.

After a year we felt financially ready to move in together. I wanted to get married before we moved in but agreed that it would be wise to actually try to live together first. I agreed as long as living together would not be a long-term option. We got engaged after 6 months and married 2.5 years after that (we had to save some more!).

We started arguing A LOT when we moved in together and after 4 months of this went to Relate. He stopped going when the therapist kept on asking him about his childhood. I think he felt bad about possibly criticising his parents/family and I can understand why because they are lovely (although it's not normal that no one in his family has any disagreements).
I kept going on my own as I had A LOT of issues from my childhood/teenage years. I'm still going now. We managed to work through my feeling abandoned by him and having unrealistic expectations of a 'perfect' life.

I guess when you grow up in the middle of chaos you survive by believing that when you grow up, you'll be able to take control and be happy. I now know how unrealistic this is but still struggle. I either expect things to be horrible or perfect...

After about a year of marriage I found out that he had visited prostitutes about a month into our relationship during a lads trip abroad. He said he didn't think our relationship was serious at the time and if he knew how serious it was going to be he would not have done it. He feels embarrassed about it now and really regrets it. And so do I, as I consider paying for sex to be the same as rape since it's taking advantage of vulnerable women.

So we worked through a lot of issues and I'm very happy with our relationship. I have been out of work for 3 months now with depression and anxiety and after I managed to explain what I needed from him (support and gentle does it) he's been incredible. After some very low days (seen GP and had anti-depressants increased and anti-anxiety tablets) I've only just started seeing a light at the end of the tunnel.

I've now finally starting to feel like we have a bright and happy future in front of us.

Saturday night I found messages on his Facebook. He wrote to this girl thanking her for a great time, how he didn't regret it, etc. This happened 2 years ago, 6 months after our wedding!!!

He says it didn't mean anything, she came onto to him and they kissed. It was her leaving the country do. He says he doesn't know why he did it, he really regrets it, and it's shit timing. He says it's not my fault I didn't do anything wrong and I don't deserve it.

He had a A LOT of partners before we got together. He doesn't know how many confused. I was a virgin when we met! He used to be a party animal but I'm more of a stay at home girl (social anxiety doesn't help). Ha calmed down a lot even when we first started dating.

Our sex life had taken a nose dive since he went back to his country and I wonder if he felt the need to prove he still had it.

I'm not the jealous type and am not prepared to live my life constantly checking his pockets or smelling his shirt collars. In fact we often joked about neither of us being the overly jealous type. His friends are always telling him how lucky he is, but now I'm not surprised they do sad.

But how much is too much? I find it very difficult to understand women who stay with men who disrespect them (specially by cheating). And now I find myself in this situation... He's my dream man in every other way. There's no one else I would want to spend my life with and I feel very lucky to have him in my life as I don't think there are many men like him out there.

But is he going to keep on breaking my heart? Am I expecting to much from him? Too little?

I called his parents when I found out about this girl on Saturday as I needed advice and I knew I would just cave in and forgive him eventually if I didn't do something drastic. I needed some advice and to somehow explain to him how much he hurt me.

They told me to try to be calm (I was feeling like there wasn't any point in my life anymore) and told him how stupid he's been and told him to look after me and respect me.

He has been doing this. I had a funny turn last night (not enough food/fluids, anaemia, increased medication, too many anti-anxiety tablets and some weed) fainted and he had to call an ambulance because I didn't come round for 30-40 seconds. He's been really caring over all this and his coming with me to see my GP today (I refused to go to hospital).

Oh gawd thank you if you read all of this. It has helped me to think about it if nothing else. Although I keep on having the same questions running through my head over and over again.

I just don't know what to do... I can't live without him but it feels like he can live without me, or without considering my feelings. But should I be complaining when he's so perfect in every other way I can imagine . Am I stupid to think he's not going to do it again? I'm so confused

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AnyFucker · 23/02/2010 13:36

actions not words is the key here

of course, he is saying the things you want to hear

he will beat himself up about the way he has cheated on you...because it gets you to shut up

is there a kind of therapy that makes arrogant, cheating men keep it in their trousers ?

well, maybe if you subsribe to the Tiger Woods school of sex addiction. But of course, we all know how that one is going to play out...

I am sure you think I am being harsh and nasty to you

I am sure you love him and want to make it work

how sure are you that he wants to make it work (other than the pretty, meaningless words that have been coming out of his mouth?)

it seems to me you have 3 choices here

  1. accept him at his word. Try to trust him, fail and get proggressively ground down by how bad he makes you feel

  2. negotiate an open relationship...so you get your jollies too

  3. find some self-respect and tell him to go take a running jump

TubbyDuffs · 23/02/2010 13:47

I think you're kidding yourself if you think he is dependent on you tbh.

If you think he's bad now, wait until you're pregnant and he is cheating.

Cannot understand why you would want to bring a child into this relationship. Certainly won't bring you closer together, they are bloody hard work and make the cracks in a relationship even bigger.

You sound just like a member of my family, she ended up with about 4 STDs, and had to be tested for HIV; oh, and he cheated a few times whilst she was pregnant too.

PotPourri · 23/02/2010 14:00

Once a cheater - he won;t change. He will continue to have affairs, he doesn't see anything wrong with them and the only regret he seems to have is being caught and having to deal with the hurt he has caused you.

You seem completely dependant on him. But you have also built him up as perfect - no one is.

Sit back, decide if you are able to deal with an open relationship. Some people can. If not, you need to walk away. And certainly do not have any children with him right now!

coppertop · 23/02/2010 14:07

I agree that you need to stop thinking of him as some knight in shining armour. He isn't. I get the impression that every time he does even one small positive thing, you blow it up into some kind of heroic deed. You say how wonderful he is because he called for an ambulance when you needed one. A complete stranger would have done that for you too.

dizietsma · 23/02/2010 14:20

I have to agree with the others that pregnancy and newborn baby is prime cheating time I'm afraid. I've been on MN Relationships boards for over 5 years and it's a heartbreakingly common thread title "X weeks pregnant and found out DH/DP is cheating". So please do yourself a big favour and lay off any plans for TTC until this is sorted, properly. Again, I would exhort you to get tested. Protect your health, as he is clearly uninterested in doing so.

Perhaps he would be able to change, unlike AF I do think people can be sexually compulsive and that it is a genuine mental health problem. Thing is, do you think he thinks he is sexually compulsive? Perhaps he is, perhaps he really struggles with trying to be faithful to you, but from what you've said I'm doubtful.

Either way, if you want to stay together he has to change his behaviour and you have to hold his feet to the fire about it, unfortunately the way you paint a glowing portrait of him makes me worry that you are not psychologically strong enough (not a criticism, just an observation) to do that. The only way he'll stop cheating is if you make it clear that you are not going to put up with it i.e. will leave him if he doesn't. Like with teenagers and toddlers, you have to draw the boundary and then follow through with the consequences. If you don't you may as well lie down and write "Welcome" across your chest.

I don't think an open relationship is really a good option in this situation. I'm pretty sure most polyamorous people would agree with me that in relationships such as yours where there is a massive power imbalance between partners and serious mental health issues to be resolved, open relationships are a bad idea.

You are on the money with the co-dependency issue, you both need help with that if you want any hope of a relationship healthy and stable enough to bring a child into.

I still think you need to clear you head before you can really sort this out. That will not happen with heavy conversations and him sobbing in the living room. You need some physical distance from him to really see clearly. Stay with a trusted and supportive friend for a week, away from him. No upsetting phone calls, texts, emails, total communication blackout whilst you both get some perspective and figure out what you actually feel. Once you have a clear, uninfluenced understanding of that you can then work out exactly what it is you want from a relationship. Then you can both start to work on how to move forward. Until then it's just going to be a bit of a co-dependent clusterfuck IMO.

SteakAndChips · 23/02/2010 14:46

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dizietsma · 23/02/2010 14:55

It's not for impact, it's for breathing space.

A change of scene might help you reframe things better than if you stay at home, but as a fellow anxiety sufferer I can understand your reluctance to leave.

Just make sure you give yourself time and space to get a break from all the emotional upheaval in you relationship. You know the drill- long walks and baths, good friends, perhaps one night out having fun apart from him. Don't stay at home and mope about it fixatedly, just get a break and be you for a while, not us IYSWIM.

OnceACheater · 23/02/2010 15:59

AF I usually agree with what you have to say and how you say it, but I am finding it hard to read and accept what you have to say.

definitely no kids until this is sorted.
but we weren't planning kids in order to bring us together. It's just something we both want.

But I do know that my head (and his) needs to be in a much better place.

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OnceACheater · 23/02/2010 16:00

dizietsma thanks. Little steps eh?

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AnyFucker · 23/02/2010 16:06

it wasn't meant to be easy reading, OAC

perhaps you usually agree with me because I am not posting about your life, and this time I am < shrugs >

believe me, I have no wish to upset you further, but your Op asked for advice

I think denial would be a very big mistake in your situation

I give you my advice, just the same as I would to a RL friend

OnceACheater · 23/02/2010 16:26

And I really appreciate it! Just saying it's hard to take it.

I changed a lot during our relationship. If you think I'm messed up now...! So I find it hard to believe that if he wants to change he can't. And if he indeed wants to then I'll be there for him.

But will be going to stay with a friend overnight in a few days.

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OnceACheater · 23/02/2010 16:27

My thoughts are just going round and round...
Feel angry, sad, embarrassed, tired all at the same time...

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AnyFucker · 23/02/2010 16:35

you changed a lot in your relationship, you say ?

hmm, was that to fit in with him at all ???

sorry, don't mean to hound you but this is a turning point in your life, a pretty serious one IMO

you need to think very, very carefully about what you want, what you are prepared to tolerate (too much, far too much, so far...) and how he is going to prove he has changed

I really don't see what incentive to change he has (I don't count the crying..easy enough to turn on the waterworks, IMO)

actions, not pretty words and red eyes, "woe is me" attitude and "how can I do this to you ????" ...cue anguished look and self-flagellation...

why are you going to stay with a friend ? Can she offer you support (and include some kind truths) in RL...because it sounds like you really need it

good luck x

OnceACheater · 23/02/2010 18:20

Will probably stay with a friend tonight and spend a couple of days with another one over the weekend. Have asked him to leave for a week.

Had to call him today because of a damaged parcel he received.

He came home and said I sounded so nice on the phone he thought I had forgiven him!!!

"you changed a lot in your relationship, you say ?
hmm, was that to fit in with him at all ???"

Maybe, but I don't think so. I've been so depressed over the last few months that I can see that I have become too dependent on him.

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dizietsma · 23/02/2010 18:28

Small steps is definitely the best way to go for us anxious bunnies, and I'm glad I could help

Great to hear you've arranged some time apart, I think it'll make the difference. I often find that when overwhelmed it can help to take a step back.

AnyFucker · 23/02/2010 18:37

I am glad you are and at that ridiculously juvenile comment from him.

I think that sounds absolutely typical of an emotionally-challenged, self-centred and self-entitled pillock, tbh

what did you see in him again ?

actually, along the course of this thread, you have sounded more and more sensible (forgive me for slightly patronising tone..)

read your OP again (where you come across as a near-suicidal teenager who can't live without her man...), and then read your last post

very much more self-aware and less hysterical

a few days away should really help

all the best xx

QueenofDreams · 23/02/2010 18:55

Hi OP - the dynamic in your relationship sounds really similar to one of my previous relationships.
I was still in my teens at this point, and very vulnerable, for various reasons. I had very low self esteem, and no friends. Except for a man from my church who set himself up as the 'listening ear' - supportive, understanding compassionate and all that. We ended up in a relationship. A completely unequal one just as yours is.
FOr some men, this is just an MO: target a vulnerable woman, be what she most needs in her life at that moment in time. Before you know it woman idealises him (because he's been SOOOOO good to her) and he gets away with whatever he wants. IMO it's a form of abuse.
I'm not one to shout 'leave him' at the first opportunity, but in your case I think you should. He is NOT good for you. He knows how dependent you are on him, and so thinks he can treat you like shit. And please, whatever you do, don't have a child with him. As others have said the arrival of a baby exposes cracks in even the strongest relationships. And he will cheat on you while you're pregnant. Count on it.
MY advice:
Ditch him
Get yourself really sorted out emotionally, so that when you next meet someone, the relationship can be more equal and less damaging. COntinuing with him will only prolong and worsen your emotional problems.

OnceACheater · 23/02/2010 19:42

Thanks everyone. I've given him a serious piece of my mind. Told him he was discusting (sp?), deluded and a few other things. Asked him if he thinks I have mug written all over my face or somehing. Told him to leave and go and think really hard about his behaviour, morals and WTF he plans to do with his life!

Feel much better, a lot angrier but very thankful for MN

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AnyFucker · 23/02/2010 19:50

stay posting, love

all this drama is going to wipe you out emotionally

oh, and to reiterate again, stay off the weed

OnceACheater · 24/02/2010 00:45

Thank heavens for good-doesn't-even-begin-to-describe-it good friends.

BF knows quite a bit about my shit life and also knows H. On the back of her head she always had doubts about him but she thought I was happy. She agrees with everything you have said so far. He has been holding me back if I'm honest...

She helped me see how I CAN live without him AND be happy! Shit, I'm so grateful & (if that's possible)

Came home feeling all strong and he's still here but packed his bags (never thought one day I would be writing this on MN ) and will go somewhere else after work tomorrow. Finally.

It really hurts though.

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OnceACheater · 24/02/2010 01:05

Can't believe I wanted to be his perfect wife

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AnyFucker · 24/02/2010 07:27

please be careful, OAC

although I do believe you are better off without him...

you have gone, within 48 hours from "I can't live without my knight in shining armour.." to chucking him out

very high drama, very intense, although I do get the feeling this may be how you live your life...

please stay in close contact with RL friends

you are in danger of, at best, crumbling and taking him back when he bombards you with messages, flowers etc...or, at worst having a complete meltdown (with all the medication mixed with drugs you are taking...)

look after yourself x

TubbyDuffs · 24/02/2010 09:58

Stay strong and when he comes crawling back to you promising you the earth (which I have no doubt he will), come back to this thread and read your posts again as a reminder of why you are doing this.

Cliche yes, but you can do much better and, more importantly, deserve much better.

xxx

OnceACheater · 24/02/2010 16:05

OK. Not feeling so brave anymore

Actually, right now I just feel this horrible 'empty' pain.
Trying to think strong but it's hard when it feels like I'm just lying to myself...

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AnyFucker · 24/02/2010 16:14

then carry on "acting" brave, even if you don't feel it for now and treat yourself kindly

I am sorry to keep repeating myself, but the internet is not the place for people to help you

you are in a bad place, you do not sound stable...please seek help in RL x

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