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For those of you who have toxic parents.......

45 replies

electra · 12/02/2010 18:49

As a child did you think they were normal and their behaviour was typical or did you know they weren't?

Did you have feelings of guilt that you were simply a bad child?

At what age did you realise their behaviour had been abusive?

OP posts:
Tortington · 12/02/2010 18:55

i knew my mother was a nutter - i knew that having violent arguments in whispers talking to yourself wasn't normal - i knew that. I knew that being in bed all day every day wasn't normal. i knew that taking the kettle upstairs and never coming out of the bedroom wasn't normal. i knew that other mothers cooked for their kids even if they were 14 and could make something themselves.

i didn't think i was a bad child, i thought that she was still in pain from my dads death and that excused it all for years - well until she died.

after she died, i thought - why would you treat your only child that way. i am v. bitter. she was a good mum when i was little, but when my nan was forced to move out when i was 12 - there was no buffer for her, no one to excuse her - it was just her and me and well things deteriorated to a point where i looked for a fther figure, found one, got pregnant moved out.

lololol · 12/02/2010 18:57

I did not realise my dad was toxic until I was a teenager and even then, I did not realise quite how bad his behaviour was until I was in my late twenties and had my own children. I knew he had a very bad temper and you had to be careful what you did/said around him but I thought that most men were angry like him. I also thought that the kind of beatings he dished out were routinely given by all fathers for misbehaving. Actually, the level of toxicity continues to astonish me even now. He stole a valuable (but hidden) item from a long standing friend recently (friend still not aware AFAIK) and I was horrified to hear him gloating about it

AnyFucker · 12/02/2010 19:00

apparently the only time I cried as a baby was when my father was holding me

I was very perceptive, even as a newborn...

FabIsGoingToBeFabIn2010 · 12/02/2010 19:00

I never lived with my dad and only lived with my mother until about 15 months of age. I was then in care and in chidlren's homes and foster homes. I thought that was normal, that no one lived with their parents. Or maybe I just think that is how I felt.

BelleDameSansMerci · 12/02/2010 19:01

I knew that my violent, abusive (to my mother) alcoholic father's behaviour wasn't normal. I knew that seeing my mother covered in bruises wasn't normal. I knew hearing them shout at each other all the time wasn't normal. I knew that having no money for new clothes, Christmas presents, and sometimes even food wasn't normal.

I never thought it was anything to do with me directly although I knew that my parents had only married because my mother was pregnant with me so felt sort of responsible for that.

I always knew it was wrong. Don't think I had a glaring revelation one day.

The breakthrough for me was the Christmas I was 29. We were all at home - my parents, my brother and me and my dad started shouting at my mum. I went upstairs to hide as usual - normal reaction even though I'd left home 9 years previously. I then realised I didn't have to leave her unprotected any more. Went back downstairs. Shouted at him, told him a few home truths, etc. Great big scene - him in tears, blah, blah, blah. My mum left him in the August of that year.

Now, he is a broken, sad old man and I actually feel sorry for him.

Dominique07 · 12/02/2010 19:03

I didn't know about other people's parents or compare mine with theirs much, but as a child knew that some things weren't to be discussed with my friends.

I was sure Mum walking round with a black eye, saying she'd walked into a branch was going to be a dead giveaway though and I didn't want her to walk me to school.

I felt guilty for not being able to hide my Mum when she came into my room during a fight... You wouldn't feel guilty if you knew it was your parents responsibility to protect you, not you them.

ItsGraceAgain · 12/02/2010 19:09

I clearly remember the day I found out that other girls' fathers didn't thump them. I was 17. I also remember the day I found out that not all men hit their wives & girlfriends. I was 35!!

There's quite a bit of 'normalised' stuff I still need to deal with, much of it learned from my mother (excessive compliance, tolerance, excuse-making, emotional reasoning, dramatising, etc) which is why I'm on the co-dependents' thread.

All children believe their parents are perfect examples of how to be an adult. If no other authority tells the child that families can be different, how is she to know? Of course I believed I was a bad child - an abomination, in fact - since that was the reason my Dad gave. Although I'd figured out it wasn't necessarily true by my early twenties, it's still so embedded in me that I have to consciously interrupt my own self-deprecating thoughts, IYSWIM.

The book that started me on the road to recovery was John Bradshaw's Homecoming. It's heavy going, but very effective.

WhatNoLunchBreak · 12/02/2010 19:10

I grew up in a dysfunctional family ... and I think I hid it from myself pretty effectively, even though my memories, if I'd wanted to look at them, would have told me a different story.

I remember sitting in a homoeopath's consulting rooms at about age 22, with yet another anxiety-based disorder, and she asked me if I'd considered therapy. I remember saying to her, "Why would I do that? I had a completely normal childhood." Yep.

That was the point that marked a shift in my thinking ...

VengefulKitty · 12/02/2010 19:13

I knew my mum was different and "scarier" than other mums by late Primary school age.

Until then, I did think I was a bad child, especially as her friends seemed to reinforce that feeling throughout my life, but there was a part of me that was sure I wasn't that bad, that walking into her bedroom whilst she was asleep shouldn't warrant the buckle end of a belt.

I realised that she was physically abusive when I was about 13/14. At 15 I snapped and when she grabbed me I turned round and punched her back followed by a kick. The resentment and resulting venom in me spilled over and she knew that was it.

The physical stopped then, but the emotional and mental only stopped after I cut all contact with her from 18 until I was 22. I told her I would give her a final chance at 23 and she took it. At 26 we had a lot of heart to hearts (fuelled by alcohol for my courage and her compliance in listening and being open). Now we are great mates thankfully.

dittany · 12/02/2010 19:13

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ItsGraceAgain · 12/02/2010 19:14

Lol @ AnyFucker

AnyFucker · 12/02/2010 19:15

contempt drives out love too

WhatNoLunchBreak · 12/02/2010 19:16

btw, if I did have feelings of guilt, they have for the most part been unconscious.

What I did have were profound feelings of fear of losing my father, and a sense that I needed to be there to look after him because my mother wasn't.

Now I realise that those feelings were masking something that I was so ashamed of that I hid it even from myself: an incredible anger towards him for not being there. It was just easier to target my mother. So my fears of my dad's dying were actually my unconscious wishes for his death. That took a long time to come to terms with.

EssenceOfJack · 12/02/2010 19:18

I was 17 before I realised that not everyone lived in fear of their father, and beatings weren't part of everyday life for some people.
I was at school and DH (then boyfriend) spotted a foot shaped bruise on my ribs and went nuts. We were in the common room and I was so surprised at everyone being so shocked about it.

ItsGraceAgain · 12/02/2010 19:23

EssenceOfJack, I was in the common room, too - thank goodness for school friends! We were discussing something we'd done and I said my father would beat the sit out of me if he knew. Somebody turned round & said "You mean he really would, don't you?" Then the other girls explained, bless them. It was hard to take in

You married your school boyfriend? Wow! That's lovely

EssenceOfJack · 12/02/2010 19:36

It is rather, isn't it
I know what you mean about it being hard to take in, I kept almost downplaying it saying things like 'But he only does it when I have been really bad....like...um...not tidying my room...' and then trailing off to the row of faces like this

and saying 'Is that not normal then? Fuck'

victoriascrumptious · 12/02/2010 19:42

I knew 100% that my stepmothers behaviour wasnt normal and that I wasnt to blame. That knowledge didn't help me much though.

As regards my father I continually made excuses for him. It's only since having my child that I realise how neglectful he was.

mynewme · 12/02/2010 19:53

I knew my mother was, as someone else here has said, "scarier than most".
She was emotionally and physically abusive - and liked to use a belt at times. She behaved inappropriately in a sexual way as well. Yuck.
She is still evil, and continues to intimidate me, though is sweetness and light to everyone else, and as a result it looks like me that has the problem, but it was having ds when I was 33 that made me start to realise it maybe wasn't my fault and that you're not supposed to behave like that with your kids.
I don't let her see ds alone - not that she bothers with him anyway - but I carry lots of guilt and have to remind myself frequently its not my fault, but don't always believe myself

Zoomy · 12/02/2010 19:55

I was 21/22 before I realised that not everyone had been hit with belt buckles,broom handles or garden canes as 'punishment' for answering back. I never discussed my home life and no-one ever asked about mine.

My first adult relationships also echoed my childhood, to be hit was normal then. It was just not part of any conversations I had until met my DH, when in due course we discussed our childhoods and I couldn't believe he'd never got smacked let alone hit like I was. My DH is the complete opposite to everything my parents stand for

Never felt guilty for answering back though...I think I must be an arsey mare by nature.

Actually, I don't think I've ever consciously felt guilty about anything regarding my parents....but I behaved in a guilty fashion. I behaved as if I was responsible for keeping them all happy.

I became the family peace keeper as well as the family scapegoat. Not sure how that one - peace keeper and scapegoat - all at the same time works but that's how it was.

ItsGraceAgain · 12/02/2010 20:00

Zoomy, I think you'd find it often works that way

See, when everything's your fault, the others can feel okay. And if they don't feel okay, then it must be your fault, natch. Which means it's your problem. So you try & make them feel okay. Simple!
Blame monkeys ... every family should have one

coldtits · 12/02/2010 20:09

It was my friends' reactions to my tales of "Well, I gobbed off at my dad, so he broke a stool over his knee, then went upstairs, broke all my bedroom furniture, turned my bed upside down, dragged me upstairs by the ponytail and shut me in my bedroom with the handle taken off the door, meaning I had to jump out of the window, and wandered off to a village 6 miles away, to be found by the police3 after I placed a call to childline from a phonebox. He bought me a bar of chocolate to say sorry."

that made me start to realise that although my father was far from the horrible "A child named It" parent, he was capable of being no more mature than an 18 month old baby if he wasn't getting his own way.

I realised also that he could control his temper when he bruised my arm when I was 17, and I told him very calmly that he would only be getting away with it for another few weeks, as soon I would be 18 and would prosicute him, at which point he would lose his job, his house, and most of his police friends. He NEVER raised a hand to me again.

In a way, that made me feel worse - that he clearly could have controlled his temper for all the years before, and had decided I wasn't worth the effort.

Don't get the impression that I hated him, or that I was unloved. I had, in balance, a nice childhood. He should have worked harder at keeping his temper though.

Zoomy · 12/02/2010 20:13

Hi Grace

No worries this blame monkey handed it ALL back years go along with the 'scapegoat' title.

One of my most lasting memories is of my Mum screaming at me to "stay down" when getting a hiding, I was about 16 at the time. I remember thinking then that "staying down" was the very last thing I should do or I would never be free.

I left home the next day with no idea where I was going to sleep that night..but at least I was free.

I'm not sure what has changed over the years but somehow through me being able to be an arsey mare they seem to have gained some sort of odd respect for me.

AnyFucker · 12/02/2010 20:50

"stay down"

Zoomy · 12/02/2010 20:59

Don't be sad AF...I'm not...I 'got up' and continue to 'get up' everyday. It was all 20 odd years ago now, it is the past.

I think my Mum thought she was helping by screaming at me, all it did was fuel my Dad! Silly woman!

I suppose I posted my experience to show that there is another side after all that stuff...a good side.

AnyFucker · 12/02/2010 21:03

zoomy, I can be sad for that 16 yo if I wanna...

you can't stop me

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