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How to treat the 'other woman'

96 replies

chinupgirl · 11/02/2010 22:46

OK, I've got to put up with the fact that the hussy who broke up my marriage has sadly not been struck by lightning, died in a horrific inferno or broken out in disfiguring boils but is still very much out and about. As she shows no remorse about what she has done, she keeps popping up in my life (at cubs, as school, in the street)and smirks whenever I see her.

I've done my best to avoid her, but something clicked in my head today. Why should I be the one missing fun stuff because she has such crap taste in men?

So come on any good tips on how to handle these meetings, other than screaming TART at her, tempting as that might be? What was the best thing anyone else did in this position?

On a related theme, if I see one more advert for Valentine's Day I may throw up! Is it just me?

OP posts:
OrmRenewed · 12/02/2010 14:39

Oh come on whizzy! I agree that once it's done, some sort of civil relationship has to be built between the ex-partners for the sake of the children, but I don't agree with the idea that you can just get so carried away with it all that you can't help yourself. That is a get-out clause for all kinds of bad behaviour. Being a grown-up means not allowing yourself to get carried away to the extent of hurting others.

countingto10 · 12/02/2010 15:58

The OW gave the man the stick with which to beat his DW and DC with so she is equally to blame if she knows he is married and still living with his DW.

Chinupgirl, indifference is probably the way to deal with OW. If ever I bump into OW especially if I am with DH, I'd like to think I would just smile sweetly and walk on by without comment (although secretly wishing I could just stave her head in ) As time goes by the need to fulfil that particular wish does lessen

Aussieng · 12/02/2010 16:12

Whizzy you'll get no-where with sensible talk like that on MN!

Whatever my enjoyment of exH's partner's discomfort at the thought of running in to me, I do acknowledge that he and I were profoundly unsuited and he and OW are probably better suited than we ever were. I don't believe that once a cheater always a cheater and I don't think he is any more or any less likely to cheat on his new partner than anyone elses DH (also not a popular view on MN) in fact he may be less likely because he may well have learned a lesson - I know he wishes that we were still friends but we are not. I'm not impressed that he had an affair (it was a cowardly way to end things) but there were aspects to our relationship which impressed me even less and in the end I was just grateful for an end to the status quo. Talking with my current DH (who believes he would never succumb to nor forgive an affair under any circumstances) he nevertheless believes that over 95% of marriages which end at the instigation of the husband end with an affair and that is as you say just life and it takes something like crossing the line into an affair for many men to acknowledge that they are not happy as many men have it in their nature to simply continue with the status quo provided it is "adequate". I agree (many wont, I know) and am constantly surprised on MN (and in life generally I guess) that there is not more acceptance of this. I guess that is a function of how hurt some people are when they uncover affairs. Nevertheless dreaming of humiliating the OW is allowed and natural, IMO

MorrisZapp · 12/02/2010 16:14

Agree with whizzy and aussieng.

I'm sick of seeing women take the flak for male behaviour.

BrahmsThirdRacket · 12/02/2010 18:45

Agree with whizzywig.

You will be happier if you just mentally block her out. She didn't betray you - she owed you nothing in the first place. Maybe they will work out better, maybe they won't - the most important thing is that you know you are better off without him. I have major doubts about all this 'He's done it before so he'll do it again' stuff. People are not automatons and this isn't Eastenders. Some people are serial philanderers, some just weren't suited before. I know loads of people who are much better off on second marriages (both people in the original relationship) even if it started as an affair. Also famous people - Charles and Camilla, Harold Pinter and Antonia Fraser etc. My parents broke up for other people, and are a million times happier as they are now.

You are better off now and you're going to have a great life. So who gives a bugger about them?

BitOfFun · 12/02/2010 18:53

I would save up, go into the next function and buy a huge bottle of champagne and let her overhear that you are celebrating a lottery win and planning a Caribbean cruise with Hot Fernando. Walk a little bit like John Wayne too, and wince when you sit down but wink and grin. It will get back to him

AnyFucker · 12/02/2010 18:57

BOF, you are a bugger

mampam · 12/02/2010 19:00

Mentally blocking out the OW is much easier said than done.

Unless you have been cheated on it's impossible to comprehend the hell that you have to go through before you can move on. It's not something that you decide to do. One day you wake up and realise that you don't care or think about it as much you used to.

And I don't think anyone is trying to imply on this thread that the OW is any more to blame than the man himself.

mampam · 12/02/2010 19:03

Sorry 'as much as you used to'.

at BOF

BessieBoots · 12/02/2010 19:08

Look fabulous. Switch your phone off but pretend to be talking on it, laughing and playing with your hair as you're doing it. And yes, smile at her- She probably loves the drama of being in the same place as you, but once you diffuse that sense of drama, she'll just have to get on with life with your xh, and, as someone says, will probably spend it wondering if he's doing the same thing to her.

BrahmsThirdRacket · 12/02/2010 19:11

I know it's easier said than done, but it's what ultimately needs to happen. So all this 'Ooh, don't worry it'll happen to her too' stuff isn't actually constructive, because it just encourages you to focus on them more. Someone once said that the world is an uncomfortable place, and you can either push all your efforts into making it comfortable (impossible and stressful) or you can make your mind a more comfortable place, because you have to live in your own mind and perceive everything through it. I don't know who said it, some Buddhist guy.

I haven't been cheated on, but I have had something absolutely horrible done to me by someone I knew. The only way to get over it (not yet completely managed) was not to think 'Oh, hopefully this horrible thing will happen to him' but just 'He's not here - he doesn't exist for me anymore' and bring the focus back to myself. Me being more important than him, and him not worthy of my thought. Someone will probably pop along in a minute and tell me this is very psychologically unhealthy!

SoupDragon · 12/02/2010 19:16

Practice so you can look her up and down with an expression like you've stepped in dog shit and then turn away.

AnyFucker · 12/02/2010 19:18

I dunno, brahms, bringing the focus back to yourself and keeping yourself happy seems like a good philosophy to me

doubleinstructions · 12/02/2010 19:35

if shes smirking at you,reacting to it would just be giving credence any crap she may have been told. Indifference to both of them
and if thats not possible yet,then concentrating on yourself and future happiness.

Whizzywigg · 12/02/2010 20:06

Mampam, I think the thing about your advice is that it sounds obviously sensible - and it is so obvious that you should end one relationship before embarking on the next, it rather begs the question, why doesn't everyone do that?

Leaving a marriage for someone else is a pretty miserable and stressful experience for the leaver too... it's hardly how anyone wants the early days of their romance to be, is it?

The thing is, whilst it's always easy to tell a married man who did the dirty (or woman for that matter) - you should have left first, this is only possible with the 20/20 vision of hindsight.

If a fella came here and said he felt miserable in his 10 year, 2 kid marrige.. his wife was only interested in the neighbourhood watch scheme or the PTA.. won't go scuba diving with him, their sex life is crap and so on... no one would advise him that he had given it a good try, that he shoudl now leave and would in time meet someone else....

Actually knowing when things are bad enough to leave is a bit of an art... and while you're bored with the PTA, it's easy to trip over and right into a romance at the scuba club.

I do think it is illogical to believe that marriages fail becasue one person is to blame... surely if a partnerhsip fails, it is more about how the 2 partners are, and how they fit together?

My parents were married for over 30 years - my Dad left my mum for her friend It is impossible to believe that my Dad (who I would lay my life was faithful except with the woman he left with) was a tosser, who managed to hide it for 3 decades.. Both my parents are wonderful in many ways - I can also see how both of them are hard to be married to too... Villains and victims make good fairytales, but there are none here.. The sad fact is that they just did'nt fit anymore.

I am sad about that... my Mum was distraught for a long time, and there is a personal loss for me even though I'm a grown woman- my DD cannot spend time with her grandparents - she sees them separately,but it is not the same... But I think you have to accept sometimes that there was no evil plan, and there is no villain to blame. Sometimes this is just how life is.

Prentending to talk to someone on the phone, or to have a sore fanny from imaginary shagging seems rather OTT to me. Please don't do this... it will only make you miserable.

mampam · 12/02/2010 20:40

It may be stressful for the one leaving the relationship but they certainly don't deserve any sympathy if they go about it all the wrong way causing even more unnecessary hurt and pain, to not just the spouse but to the DC's too. Sorry but I cannot condone that sort of behaviour. Adults know right from wrong. You are making it sound like it is just as bad for the cheater as it is on the person they have been cheating on. I think not.

Like I said before, you cannot possibly understand or comprehend how it feels unless you have been in that situation yourself.

Ohforfoxsake · 12/02/2010 20:50

Your DH made the choice to break up your marriage. She isn't blameless of course, but ultimately your marriage was his responsibility and he chose to screw it up.

Leave her alone, treat her with indifference - she is nothing to you.

Retain your dignity. It is far, far better to enjoy sitting way up high on the moral highground.

Aussieng · 12/02/2010 21:01

Well I've been in that situation myself and I don't think Whizzy is too far adrift. Also it is not just about how it "feels" is it> People whose partners leave them for reasons other than there being someone else on the scene can also feel very hurt and betrayed - this itself does not make what the leaving partner is doing wrong. I felt very betrayed by my exH but this was not primarily due to the OW. And yes I think the cheater can also feel just as bad. Again - look at MN - people leave all sorts of relationships, abusive, involving drug or alcohol dependancy etc etc and still feel guilt and remorse about the pain that is being caused and doubt at the course of action being taken in circumstances where there is no doubt that the partner who is being left is hugely at fault and deserves to be left. Why would that be any different in a situation where you have just fallen out of love with your partner and also happen to have met someone else>

I'm sorry - I think there is room for debate on MN about such things but it usually descends into the "wronged" wife being quite vitriolic and unmoveable in their views of the unending evilness of the OW in particular and the DH only secondly. Nevertheless it is not really ideal for such debates to start on someone else's thread - when someone is in pain at the early stages of a betrayal then that is what matters at that time, along with the usual coping mechanisms (getting angry etc) not debates as to the whether the level of castigation resolved for adultry is appropriate. Sorry OP

I agree with Brahms and AnyFucker. Focus on yourself, keeping yourself happy, don't pretend to have been out having a good time or talking on the phone - actually be out having a good time and getting calls on the phone.

ItsGraceAgain · 12/02/2010 21:21

Chucking my unpopular penn'orth in with Whizzy & Aussie here (you two sound like a kids' TV programme!)

XH is the cheat, OW isn't as she wasn't married to OP, shit happens and people marry the wrong people. If OW's going around smirking at you, XW, she must be a bit of a dick but so what? The faster you decide it's over, done, dusted & put away - the faster you can get back to fully enjoying life and any social activities you damn well please.
As an added bonus: your healthy, happy, glowing smile will irritate the hell out of her

When I bumped into the ex-boss who literally wrecked my life with his bullying, I followed my therapist's advice - gave him a big hug, kissed him and said "I really want to thank you, you taught me something very worthwhile." The look on his face was priceless.

heQet · 12/02/2010 21:32

If you can stomach it - kill her with cheery friendliness It will drive her insane!

A smile and a wave when you see her
A happy "hello there!"
A smile and a "that top looks nice / lovely day"

all as you pass, don't stop and try to engage her in conversation.

Just be relentlessly happy and friendly at her. It will annoy her so much and what can she say to people? "chinup is being nice to me"

Seriously, if you can pull it off, it is the best thing to do to people who have wronged you - they desperately want to turn you into the bad guy in their minds, so they can tell themselves you got what you deserved. The nicer you are, the harder it is for them.

Mind games. the best revenge.

jasper · 12/02/2010 21:40

Top contributions from Whizzy

BitOfFun · 12/02/2010 21:44

I still think Hot Fernando is a goer. As a concept.

ItsGraceAgain · 12/02/2010 21:47

Yeah, I've always wanted to turn up to some big do with one of those perfect men - you know, the ones that are so perfect, they charge £100 an hour

sincitylover · 12/02/2010 21:54

There seems to be a difference in attitude towards OW between posters who thought they were in a happy marriage (or possibly in denial?) or who had never ever entertained the idea of their Dh cheating and subsequently cheated upon and those who accepted that things weren't right or going badly wrong and were then in this position.

In my own case my antennae were up from quite early on (as they would be with anyone I am with) and unfortunately proved right (though always denied by my exh).

However found the following things out as we went along, came back from a business trip and suggested opening a bar with a female friend he had met overseas (actually I can't believe that now), watched football with two local girls and a colleague in the colleague's room, inviting a female colleague out to dinner (could have been passed off as work I suppose), witnessed two examples of women throwing themselves at him whilst I was present, accepted viagra from a male friend with 'to rev up our non existent sex life and so on.

Wouldn't really blame the OW in those situations quite frankly put the blame squarely on him. Hard to know where the ladies man was ending and something more serious developing.

I am with Whizzy and Aussie too.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 12/02/2010 23:05

I don't subscribe to the view that "once a cheater, always a cheater" either, provided the cheater learns that this is actually a rubbish way of resolving difficulties and expressing dissatisfaction in a relationship. We can perhaps all cite examples of secondary relationships that have been successful having started as an adulterous relationship, but the protagonists in the one I know about agree that they have taken those lessons learned into their new relationships - and feel very sorry and regretful that they treated their former partners so shabbily and deceitfully.

I'm afraid I know far more people who went on to have second and third relationships like this, never having learned that lesson. So when the "new" relationship has perfectly normal strains and stresses, their reflex response has been to look outside the marriage rather than attempt to resolve issues in a more adult way.

Brahms asks why, if it is so wrong, so many people engage in "overlap relationships" like this. I think this is to do with a complex mix of factors: a dislike of being on one's own, a lack of personal responsibility, an unwillingness to engage in true intimacy {it is much easier to be superficial with a succession of new people than with someone who knows you well) plus a whole host of other personality related factors, such as selfishness, narcissism and a need to control people.

So many people claim the relationship - or the person - they left was flawed and so this justified deceiving them. This fails to take responsibility for trying to resolve those issues in an adult way and not choosing deceit instead. If the deceiver is subsequently unable to look back and at least acknowledge that wrong - and look inwards at their way of dealing with issues - they will never learn and will go on repeating the same mistakes over and over again.

When ever I see people in the public eye doing this, it always seems to me that it stretches credibility that every relationship they ever had was lacking in some way, or that they just had bad luck choosing the wrong partners. The fault probably isn't with their partners, or even their relationships. It seems more logical that the fault is with them.

Marriages break down for all sorts of reasons and the pain is horrendous for the parties and the children involved, but what so many posters on here overlook is that it is always worse, for the betrayed partner and their children, if infidelity is involved. Children can rationalise that their parents fell out of love, but they find it much harder if they believe it was because of a third party - and it can feel as though the leaving parent has chosen that person over them as well as their Mum or Dad.

I find it really annoying when posters on here say that infidelity "just happens" and "that's life" - as though this is an involuntary act that people cannot exercise choice in.

It really comes down to whether you believe that infidelity and deceiving others is wrong. I understand why it happens, I think it's behaviour capable of change - but it doesn't get away from the fact that it's wrong. If people however believe that it is "right in some circumstances", they will always be vulnerable to it as a behaviour choice.

Similarly, if posters truly believe that the third parties [OW and OM) are blameless and bear no responsibility, this yet again ignores individuals' social responsibilities. I wouldn't feel comfortable knowingly deceiving a stranger, to whom I owed nothing and had no relationship with. If I thought that deceit was also going to cause that stranger and their children pain, I could not collude in that. Quite apart from my own self-respect and esteem, I would believe that behaviour to be wrong. If I went ahead and did that, I would expect to be blamed. I would feel guilty - and as far removed from smirking at the person I'd deceived as it is possible to be.

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