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A question for TartyHighHeels...

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CoffeeCakeAndKink · 18/01/2010 17:59

Have name changed.

Tartyhighheels - I saw a post you made on a previous thread about cross dressing, talking about the BDSM community and so on. I have a couple of questions about it, if you are about? Genuine advice needed. Will post Qs if you post back on here - don't want to post life story if you're not about to give me your views...

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AnyFucker · 26/01/2010 23:37

hmm, maybe I meant "how" do you stop when you are used to a certain level of kink, rather than "where" do you stop

anyways, I am a little bit more edumacated now, and the OP sounds very sensible and non-controlled so I can bugger orf and make a nuisance of myself elsewhere....

< has another sherry >

SolidGoldBrass · 26/01/2010 23:43

Kinky sex is not exactly a linear scale: golden showers is not objectively 'further' than group sex (though any individual might say, well I'll do this but I won'd do that about any practice). Also, as with any interest or passion, people change in how important it is to them: in the OP's case her H may be becoming seemingly more keen on it simply because it's not happening and he fears it never will happen again.
I've had spells of being less interested in sex (straight or kinky) for a while, then all mad keen again, depending on what else might be going on in my life - another possible equivalent might be for someone who loves music; as you get a bit older and become a parent you might be less up for going to gigs every night and hurtling round the moshpit, but still now and again you fancy sticking your head in the bass bin and dancing like a loony for an hour or two, the love of something important to you never entirely leaves you.

AnyFucker · 26/01/2010 23:48

does that explain my developing love of Cliff Richard ?

dittany · 26/01/2010 23:52

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AnyFucker · 26/01/2010 23:53

who ? Cliff Richard ?

< runs >

SolidGoldBrass · 26/01/2010 23:55

Hey it would work for me
(Not Cliff Richard, but two fit blokes together.... Rrrrrrr!)

AnyFucker · 26/01/2010 23:59

I think Cliff Richard has a certain something...for an older dude < squints eyes >

sugartits · 27/01/2010 00:01

Whilst my sex life is positively tame in comparison to some I'd just like to say that now the dc's are past the toddler stage I am a million times more sexual than I was pre dc's. If you'd have told me this when my dc's were little I would have thought it wouldn't apply to me as I just wasn't bothered. It comes back and if you are fortunate it comes back with bells on.

AnyFucker · 27/01/2010 00:05

you are right st, and that is another reason why my coercion alarm bells were ringing

the OP has a toddler and is pregnant ffs

rather a lot of pressure being brought to bear here, however she has convinced me the pressure is mostly of her own making

AnyFucker · 27/01/2010 00:07

I keep saying I am getting off this thread

I need to hide it, I think, then I really will stay away

too tempting, sat there at the top of threads I'm on....

dittany · 27/01/2010 00:07

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AnyFucker · 27/01/2010 00:11

stop it dittany, I have to go to bed and you are not helping the situation

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dittany · 27/01/2010 00:13

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AnyFucker · 27/01/2010 00:16

I am not taking pity on you dittany

you didn't answer my questions on another thread

now I really am going because I have to be up early tomorrow

< flounces >

AnyFucker · 27/01/2010 00:17

in fact, I have to be up in less than 6 hours

< runs >

tortoiseonthehalfshell · 27/01/2010 00:39

CoffeeCake, thank you so much for starting this thread. I can empathise, although we were never as kinky as you two.

In our case, it's not a BDSM thing, but he likes me to dress up - stockings, suspender belt, that sort of thing. There's a tinge of dominance to it (i.e., the more restrictive the clothing the better, he enjoys getting to dictate the outfit, etc) but not much. It's certainly something that falls into the realm of kink, in that it isn't part of a larger pattern of behaviour just a fantasy. And he says that while he enjoys good enthusiastic rampant sex without the dress-ups, the dress-ups trigger/release something in his head that's different.

If we don't do it for ages and ages, no matter how much straight sex we have, that desire builds up and up and he gets a bit obsessed. Can't concentrate on work, is horny all the time, that sort of thing. Odd as it seems to me, it really is as if the dress-ups access a different ... hmm, pleasure centre? ... in his brain. So while it sounds pretty vanilla (after all, a lot of men like stockings!) it qualifies as 'kink' to us.

And I've come to understand, over time, that it really isn't as simple as saying 'he should be happy he has a wife who puts out' because it's a wiring thing, and it doesn't seem to me like it's that optional for him. He's said before that he feels guilty for asking, if he could be satisfied with just 'normal' he would, etc.

Similarly, I have a good friend who's heavily into BDSM who describes it as the same as a gender preference for her - she can't make herself like women just by force of will, and she can't make herself vanilla. That was a really powerful way of putting it, that I understood. Sexual preferences are more hardwired for some people than others.

Now in our case, I've made an effort to go along with it even though I find it kind of tedious. It's not degrading, it doesn't require much of me (except for fiddling around with the damn suspender clips!), the sex itself is reliably good.

Your situation is different in that you have to be genuinely into the acts you describe. And that is tricky. After this long a post you'd think I'd have some advice, but I don't. I just wanted to sympathise and tell you that you're not alone, and you sound strong and together and if any marriage can work through this, it'll be yours.

(/novel)

CoffeeCakeAndKink · 27/01/2010 11:14

Sugartits - this gives me encouragement! The other kind of sticking point in all of this, which I haven't mentioned until now (sorry) is that I was DESPERATE to have another baby quickly, and was talking about getting pregnant again pretty much as soon as he popped out! DH was understandbly a bit more sensible and said "why don't we wait a while, just even a year, to have a bit of time with DS and maybe rekindle some of the old lovin' before you get pregnant again and your boobs are off limits etc" (had sore boobs in first pregnancy, and then leaky, then breast feeding, so DH didn't really have access to them for about 18 months! which was a bit of a shock, for us both)...

... so then when I did get pregnant so quickly, DH was a bit that I hadn't gone back to the doc's to get the repeat perscription of the pill and was miffed that I had, although not got pregnant on purpose (he knew that we weren't being uber careful).. managed to get what I wanted (another baby) at the expense of what he wanted (some time off and some more kinky sex which I kept promising but never delivered)...

so I guess what I'm saying is that if I do get all horny and kinky and back on the horse post DC, it will be A Good Thing, as it was me that pushed for a second kid so quickly, and wasn't very forthcoming in sorting out birth control (DH did tell me to go several times, but then never insisted on using condoms either, so he did know it could happen...)

As for 2 guys, do you know this is the one area me and DH have have been really vague on? DH says he could be up for it, with the right guy, but then never did anything about it when were at TG etc - itis was always about me and him, or me, him and hot girl... and I think I am curious to see what it looks like and see how it makes me feel, but I have no idea if it would turn me on (doesn't really seem to in my fantasies... I don't think... but then am curious)...

Not Sir Cliff though...

and Tortoise - you have articulated it very well, that extra something that this kink (your DH's or mine) gives to them during sex which otherwise isn't there for him. It IS a wiring thing for him, and it was certainly there before he met me (he talked about stuff he did with his previous girlfriends... which in the end was all pretty tame compared to what we eventually got up to), but you could see he needed that buzz from a long time ago, and can't just be "switched off" because I now no longer fancy it. You mention the word guilty... when DH and I have our rows about this issue (me not wanting to do it anymore because it doesn't turn me on like it used to), DH does say he starts to feel guilty for asking and that maybe there is "something wrong" with him. Obviously I am at pains to tell him there's nothing wrong with him, or me!, we're just mismatched right now, but hopefully we won't be forever...

How often do you dress up?

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refusingtobeshy · 27/01/2010 12:08

CoffeeCake -
I'm another very interested lurker! Like st, we're very vanilla in comparison to your exploits, but wanted to echo her experience of sex drive coming back with bells on! My dc's are 18 months apart, and while sex never went away, it was definitely less frequent for quite a while.
DC's are now a little older, 5 and 4 (which may seem an absolute age away from your viewpoint, but it goes in awfully fast) and I can honestly say that for the last three years, our sex like has been on a steady up-ramp, both in quantity and (more importantly) in quality. In the last year we've pushed back a lot of boundaries too , though I'd like them to go quite a lot further . I've never quite got the body back admittedly, but corsetry hides a multitude of sins.
Give yourself time - you're on a hormonal roller-coaster and your primary focus at this stage is (rightly) on your now babies. But it does get much easier as they get older, and I'm sure your va-va-voom will come back in spades. It might not be exactly the same as before, but if you can keep your intimacy during this time, the spark will still be there to burst back into flame.
One last little question - if you're knackered, and he's still got all this spare energy, is he doing enough around the house? Foreplay starts with the breakfast dishes, after all!

sugartits · 27/01/2010 14:45

refusing I shall steal your 'foreplay starts with the breakfast dishes' line.

You know what Cake, whilst I understand AF's concerns only you know if coersion is an issue. I think it's quite simple really - you are in the middle of the baby phase and just don't feel like it, if he relaxed the pressure and you stopped telling yourself that it's imperative that you get your sex drive back then you will be ok - in time.

Malificence · 27/01/2010 15:06

That's it in a nutshell basically ST - no-one responds well to pressure, even if it's from within - it's the one thing guaranteed to turn you off even more imho.
Your sex life takes a back seat when you are raising a family, people need to accept that as a fact.

batman47555 · 17/12/2010 10:44

i came clean to my wife when we first met that i was a fetish wear lover, and it ormed part of our sex life, as long as i didn't want her hooded or gasmasked lol she was happy to go along with it. despite her ample charms she would happily squeeze into latex bra, suspender belts and long gloves etc
but now 10 years later it all a distant dream
my cravings are still there, and i still dress myself for sole pleasure, do we have a long term future?

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