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I've always known DH is a tightwad but...

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AnnieLobeseder · 21/08/2009 23:30

...I've found out this evening that he has no pension!

My DH is incredibly tight, whenever I suggest we buy anything he say we can't afford it. He's had the same clothes for the whole 10 years I've known him, never wants to go out - he just hates spending money on anything. I try to be careful with money but also feel that life is for living and don't think an occasional indulgence is a bad thing.

When we go overdrawn and I ask him to help me budget, he just mutters about cutting up my debit card. Not sure how he thinks I'll do the food shopping!

Mostly I just let it wash over me, cos his attitude does tend to reign me in when I get caried away and start to think about spending too much on stuff we don't need - we balance each other IYSWIM.

But I never ever thought he would let his tightwad attitude jeopardise our future. He's always tight cos he's careful, and wants us to save, get out of debt etc, which is a good attitude to have. So why the fuck has he not taken a pension option at work!?!?! He says we can't afford a pension. But we save spend money on all kinds of things that aren't essential, like Sky, gym membership, and still manage to break more or less even each month. If I'd had any idea that he wasn't paying into a pension because we didn't have the money, I'd have found a way to budget it in!

He like to play martyr on all kinds of levels, and make out that things are worse than they are. But I'm absolutely flattened by his thinking that he can play martyr with our futures. He's the main breadwinner, it's his pension we'll be living on when we're old. If he doesn't want a company pension, which I've heard can be dodgy, fair enough, but he should have organised something!

I've tried talking to him and he just says we can't afford it and having enough to eat in the present is more important than the future. But we're not frikkin' starving! We might have to budget a bit more but we can afford to plan for our future!

It's more the fact that he didn't even tell me. It never occurred to me for a minute that a man who is usually the poster boy for responsibility could be so totally irresponsible and selfish, while painting it as being selfless to the family cause. I've never been so angry with him, and don't know how to sort this out. He just keep shrugging and saying 'we can't afford it' when I try to rationally explain why we need a retirement plan. I'm a very short fuse away from losing my temper and screaming at him.

He's 36, btw, and I'm 35, with both of us not even starting out careers until our early 30's so we're kinda short of time to secure our future as it is, not early 20-somethings with loads of time!

How can he not get it!?!

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AnnieLobeseder · 22/08/2009 13:24

I don't look at his payslip, just at what goes into the bank. It just really never occurred to me for a second that someone wouldn't take a company pension, or at least make some other arrangement if not. It's just so out of character for him.

Lesson learned - assume nothing.

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AnnieLobeseder · 22/08/2009 13:24

Interesting to know that we might be able to put extra into my pension, and that civil service ones are better. MN is a wealth of wonderful knowledge!!!

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moondog · 22/08/2009 13:27

Well that's something you need to start doing. Dh does the banking in out house and knows waaaay more than me about how my salary works.

moondog · 22/08/2009 13:27

Don't you file his payslips then?

AnnieLobeseder · 22/08/2009 13:31

Gah! Just tried to share some of the useful advice on here with him, and his wonderful response was a dirty look and a "now maybe you're believe me when I say we don't have any money".

How is that helpful?!!!!!

He is being such an ass!

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theyoungvisiter · 22/08/2009 15:47

Annie - I don't quite understand your situation - are you currently employed by the civil service? If you are, then personally I would increase your contributions to the max (using your salary). Ask HR about AVCs (additional voluntary contributions), they should be able to tell you the situation.

If you are not currently employed by the CC (or on maternity leave) then I don't think you can make any extra contributions until or unless you return to work for them. (Happy to be corrected if I am wrong but I can't see how they can possibly run the scheme for ex-employees?)

SomeGuy · 22/08/2009 15:55

It seems like he is being arsey, but I'm bothered that you seem to think he should blindly pump money into his pension scheme, on the assumption that it is a good thing to do, but without actually having done any research into whether that assumption is correct.

Until you understand pensions, and specifically what your husband will get (where is he investing the money, with whom, with what tax benefits, whether there is an employer contribution), it's unreasonable to criticise.

skidoodle · 22/08/2009 16:00

Tell him you have cancelled the Sky subscription and gym membership to free some cash up for retirement planning. That should get him talking.

I'm also very surprised that this is the first time you're talking about this. My dh has a similar attitude to defined contribution pensions, but i've known about it since long before it had any impact on me.

It is absolutely reasonable for couples to plan together for old age, and of course what he does affects you. That is why this conversation us long overdue.

Telling a sahp to get off their arse and get a job is insufferable on a site like this, I don't think you owe anyone an apology.

theyoungvisiter · 22/08/2009 16:20

completely agree with skidoodle.

And frankly the idea that being the main breadwinner gives that person the right to dictate the financial security of the whole family is an idea that belongs in the 1950s.

If both partners are contributing to the family (whether by working or childcare or what) then BOTH partners should get a say in major financial decisions. And I would say that deciding to make no provision for your old age is a pretty major decision that needs to be taken by both parties.

Nancy66 · 22/08/2009 16:30

Annie - do you own your property?

I have a private pension (DP doesn't) but mine is worth fuck all - despite 13 years of payments - and I'm just relying on the equity on our home to keep us in tea and biscuits when we're older.

AnnieLobeseder · 22/08/2009 17:38

youngvisitor - I'm on a career break but have just been offered a job in another branch of the civil service and should be starting quite soon. Yay! And I will certainly be looking into making a good pension contribution when I start.

SomeGuy - the issue is that he didn't tell me that he wasn't contributing to his pension. And that he didn't put anything else in place after he decided not to contribute to his work scheme. That's what annoys me. It's all about shared financial responsibilty and communication.

Skidoodle - I didn't apologise!

Nancy - we 'own' property, but on an interest-only mortgage so we look at is as renting from the bank! But we're extending the house soon, and should make a nice profit when we sell, so we are investing in property. Which I hope will help cover our otherwise dire retirement situation!

As for DH, he's still refusing to talk about it.

And while I'm the one doing the family finance, that doesn't mean I'm any good at it or happy about the situation! I'm a biologist, not an accountant and will be the first to admit I'm only just about coping with doing the finances. I beg him to help me sort it all out, but all he does is look through a couple of statements, criticise what I spend money on and then goes right back to ignoring the whole sorry business!

Things are very strained in the Lobeseder household today.

Once I start work, and this has blown over, I'll make DH sit down and rework our finances. They'll need a big review anyway once we've got an extra salary coming in and childcare going out etc etc.

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iceagethree · 22/08/2009 18:01

In my experience, having a huge sit down about finances is a very fantastic thing for a marriage. Some husbands seem to see their partners (financially speaking) simply as "money out" while they are "money in" and have no control.

Agreeing numbers on paper is so settling. Writing down needs and wants and do withouts, future spending, all that stuff, it feels so great once done, and redeems an element of trust.

Good luck. Get in that civil service pension scheme asap.

iceagethree · 22/08/2009 18:04

eg we just had one a few months ago (we rely on one income) and now money is set aside here, set aside there, budgets decided -- it means I can basically empty the bank account every month if I want to because we both know that things are more or less sorted.

I don't, but if I wanted to I could, without a niggle.

AnnieLobeseder · 22/08/2009 18:55

IceAge - you're so right about the money in/money out thing. DH earns the money, I spend the money (on food, bills, the DDs etc - rarely on me!) but we need to work out a more balanced system.

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