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What would you do? Advice please! *Long*

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emmabemmasmom · 15/08/2009 08:18

Sorry in advance for the length of this.

Background. DH and I used to be madly inlove with eachother. We fell pregnant with our first DD within 2 months of being married. We both agree that this was way to early but would not change it now. We just had another DD (3 months).

He has never said anything to hurt me or upset me although we have had our fair share of arguments over silly things.

In January he went out for his dad's bday. He never came in until 4:30am and text me the whole time saying he was waiting for a taxi, loved me, see me soon ect. Next morning he was asleep on the couch. I picked up his clothes and shoes and his phone fell out of his pocket. It was turned off so I went to turn it back on for him. He woke and saw me and lept up trying to get the phone from me. We have never had secrets. He uses my phone all the time and I use his. So immediatly I was thinking what the hell does he have to hide? Turns out he had gone out, taken his ring off, made up a story that we were divorced and kissed 2 girls, got thier numbers and text them thru the night. He rode home with one in a taxi and walked the rest of the way home. I was torn apart by this. He told me he did not love me anymore and that he was leaving. I love him so much and since he had never ever done anything like this before I knew something was wrong. We have had a lot of stress and I think he needs help although he does not see it. So we talked a lot and in the end I am not proud but I begged him to stay and work on things. We went to councelling and he cried and said he did love me and he does not know why he did what he did. We moved on...

Then...he had a bad day at work on Wed. Said he wanted to go for a walk so he left after the kids were in bed to clear his head and think. I proposed the idea of him going back to school. He came home and said we would talk tomorrow (thurs). Thursday he comes home and we are all lovey and kissing and made plans for a date night in the house Friday. I get in the shower and he gets in with me. We start talking and he is telling me about his ideas and 5 year plan ect. Said the scary thing was that he wondered if we would be together in 5 years. I said why do you think that? He said that he has not felt close to me the last few weeks (I am on anti-dep for PND so it has not been easy living with me but I am getting the help I need and trying to be me again). I agreed that we have not been as close. We got in bed and cuddled up and I said well if we keep going the way we are and not doing something about it then there is a possibility we wont make it for 5 years. I asked him if he still loved me and wanted to maybe make a plan so get close again. He said he didn't. He said he loved me, but he didn't. He wanted to leave. I was shocked as 30 min before we were in the shower together and talking about our date the next night! We talked and cried and he ended up back in bed with me. He kissed me and I cried thinking maybe it was the last time we would kiss. He came home from work early on Fri to talk. He said that he feels like he has failed at everything he has done and he knows we won't last so it would be easier to leave now. He said I deserve better, he is holding me back ect. I told him I love him for him and not what he does. I don't want him to leave. I could not live without him and I hate that guy has this hold over me but that is how it is. I think he is really confused and possibly depressed since I have been. After a lot of talking and crying we ended with the fact that we love eachother and our kids and we did want this to work so we are going to try everything we can. He said on new years eve we will decide. I had to agree with him to make him stay and work on things. He said he didn't want to hurt me anymore. I said he hasn't hurt me yet but if he left then he would.

I just hope that I have shown that this is not my DH at all. The only reason I am still head over heels for him is because I know the man I married and I know he is still in there and I want him back. Because he goes from one extreme to another in a matter of days is what makes me think he needs help. Last Friday we went out and were like love puppies making everyone sick watching us! Then the next friday he wants to leave? I can't make him get help and talk to someone unless he realizes there is a problem and wants help.

So what do I do? What if he decides to leave New years? How can I get him help without pushing him? Otherwise we have a perfect relationship. We hardly argue and we love our kids. We laugh all the time, and we enjoy time together, we just dont much time with 2 kids under 2. I am so confused...

Thanks for reading and sorry so long again!

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Jennster · 22/08/2009 20:31

emmabemma I am gutted for you. So sorry it has turned out like this. I'm thinking of you.

emmabemmasmom · 23/08/2009 07:29

Well that is him away. We had a moment yesterday. He was still saying he wanted to work on us and try and that he loved me and then he turned and was saying he didn't love me and didn't want to be here anymore. I asked him to look me in the face and say he didn't love the girls or want to be here for them. He said he loved them but no didn't want to be here for them. I said to tell me he didn't love me and he said he didn't. So I started throwing his stuff out on the lawn. He started bringing it all back in and telling me to grow up and that he deserves to organize somthing first. I said no, he wanted to leave and now he can so he can wait outside while who ever comes for him. Ended up calling police cause he would not leave and they took him away. He is now at his sisters for a lack of somewhere to go. He has taken every penny and I am sitting here with my girls and not a penny to my name. I am trying to be strong. I will get thru this. I have to. I will show him that I don't need him and I guarentee he will come crawling back in time. I hope he gets help and I can get my old DH back and I know this is not him. He has issues to settle. I will get my life back and show him I don't need him and if he changes and gets help then so be it we will work on it from there but he will not be caoming back anytime soon. Packing the rest of his stuff today. Managed to transfer some money into his dads account so I can have something until I get my own account opened and start making phone calls tomorrow. I have not eaten and I feel like I am numb and on auto pilot. I am afraid my milk will dry up as I am not eating. I tried but I just get sick. I have nobody either. No family here and not many friends as he has kept me in the house all this time.

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aRLcat · 23/08/2009 07:54

It's good to hear from you. For what it's worth, I think you have handled the situation and more specifically, him, fantastically!

Again, FWIW I absolutely agree with your expectations regarding the changes he needs to make and I admire your clarity.

Whereabouts are you? You never know, an MNer might be lurking nearby

emmabemmasmom · 23/08/2009 12:05

Thank you. I am trying to stay busy as it helps to not think about how I am feeling and just moving from one task to another. I am in Falkirk area. I have not heard from him and I don't care to. FIL just came to get DD1 to take her to see him at his sisters where he is staying at the moment. I didn't want her to go but I really can't keep him from seeing her. Not fair on her. When FIL came in she ran down the hall screaming daddy...it broke my heart. What on earth can I tell her? DD2 still with me as I am BF and can't really let her go for to long. So don't know when he will get to see her as I don't want him coming here. I just hope I get the money situation sorted soon as he has left me with out a penny...

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aRLcat · 23/08/2009 13:58

Falkirk's many, many miles from me. Have you checked the meet up section for anything going on locally?

Regarding money, I don't know anything about your financial situation but here are a couple of places that might help:

child maintenance advice

jobcentre You will be entitled to income support and can make an application over the phone.

Child tax credits You will also be entitled to this.

Also call your local council for advice regarding housing benefit/help with mortgage and council tax benefit.

I was in a very similar situation regarding contact, two of mine are babies and two are old enough to question.

I expressed initially and then mix fed to enable contact. Neither of these are things that anyone or any court would expect you to do but they are options in enabling contact.

As for explaining... initially, I said that 'daddy' would be staying somewhere else for a while (I genuinely wasn't sure at this stage whether I was separating from him for a short while or for ever) but went to lengths to reassure and reinforce the fact that he loves them and that they would see each other lots.

As time went on, I explained that he had a new home now and they were very enthusiastic upon realising that they have two homes/bedrooms/sets of toys, etc

The finer details of what happened I'll leave until a later date. Only in the future will I have any idea what (if anything) to tell them.

emmabemmasmom · 23/08/2009 14:37

Thank you so much. I have looked for local people in the past but nobody was near me.

I have contacted tax credits as we were getting those but they go into his account so I had tried to set up a bank account today (which I sould have set in a few days) and called to change it to one claim for me rather than us. I also called child benefit as that was also in his name so waiting for that paperwork. I was in the process of claiming employment support allowance as I have a note from my dr regarding PND. They were not going to give me anything as H was working more than 24 hours, but now that should change and I will call them tomorrow to see what I have to send in. I will also contact the council and whatnot tomorrow. I have a friend coming to watch kids so I can make all these phone calls.

I probably will have to stop BF soon anyway although I don't want to. I have not eaten in 2 days and I am sure my milk will stop but don't know how that all works.

I have not said anything yet as DD has not really said anything although I am sure she is wondering where he is. I am still hoping that he realizes he made a mistake and we can start working on things again even if we stayed seperated for awhile. It would probably do us good. I am just not ready to loose him and throw in the towel over this. We have a great marriage. It is just this needs to stop. I deserve better and so do my girls.

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tiredoftherain · 23/08/2009 16:02

oh emmabemmasmom, just read the whole of this - I couldn't live much further away from you or I would come over and help. Please take care of yourself, try and eat something, even just soup or something light to keep your strength up, especially if you want to continue feeding your dd. Please don't feel guilty for not carrying on BF though, you just need to do whatever it takes to get through this and your DD will not suffer in the slightest from taking a bottle if you're not well enough to feed.

You sound an amazingly strong person and you are so much better than this - it sounds like he's upped and gone at the first hurdle in your marriage and that really isn't fair on any of you. I'm positive he will come to regret it, but ultimately you need to decide what you want, and if you can come back from this. Wishing you luck, will follow this thread to see how you're doing.

Jennster · 23/08/2009 17:54

emmabemma. Please look after yourself. You not eating won't affect your milk at all. Really. You will eventually get unwell though. I too am a long way away. Take care chuck.

HolyGuacamole · 23/08/2009 18:15

OH emma

Stay strong and do try and eat something even if it is only a little piece of toast.

I know your area very well, I don't live that close to there anymore but if you need a bit of support do give me a shout.

You are doing the right thing sorting out a bank account and the benefits, doing things like this will make you stronger. One day at a time for now though.

emmabemmasmom · 25/08/2009 01:15

Well I am drunk again. FIL has DD1 so I can have a good lie in since DD2 sleeps straight thru till 8...which is lucky for me. Guess someone out there owes me for the horror I had to deal with with DD1...anyway, more to the point, H has been texting me all day saying he wants to talk tomorrow. I am up for listening but he should know we can not work on things while he is here so he needs to find some place to stay while he sorts himself out. I am just hoping he does. We will see what he has to say tomorrow. Texting me know telling me how much he misses me. I said 'Well I hope you realize what you have given up then' lol anyyyyway I need my bed...as I am sure you all can tell. I know drinking wont help but I had friends over and I needed to feel something other than this for a few hours...I really hope he has something good to say tomorrow.

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emmabemmasmom · 25/08/2009 01:36

oh and sorry for any spelling mistakes lol

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aRLcat · 25/08/2009 08:18

I'm glad you're getting some extra sleep

It's an unsurprising move on his part, eb. Entirely common in the man who's been found out and then kicked out. Stick to your guns!

It's easy for him to sling a few txt's your way, easy to sit in front of you and say everything he thinks you might want to hear but only time and action on his part will show true change.

It's certainly too soon for any genuine realisaiton to have struck home with him yet. Although the cold hard truth may have started to dawn.... he has a long way to go!

You need time and space too, don't forget. You and your children have been through a lot at his hands and you deserve time to recuperate, recover and strengthen your sense of self.

Forgive me for saying so but please do try not to sleep with him these types of meetings can be highly emotionally charged but it doesn't half muddy the waters of common sense when the guards are dropped and desire or need of that kind is allowed to take over.

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