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How has YOUR mother helped you to become a mother?

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MrsMerryHenry · 20/05/2009 14:41

I am interested to know what sort of support mothers give to their daughters from the moment they first become pregnant, until...ad infinitum! For example, was your mum the first person you told? Did she give you advice/ help out?

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MarlaSinger · 21/05/2009 11:02

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GodzillasBumcheek · 21/05/2009 11:08

Er........

Still thinking...

Ok, while i try to avoid the use of wooden spoons as a disciplinary tool, my mum did used to play board games with me, and i remember those times as the few times we actually bonded - my DTDs and i are doing a tournament at the moment to see who is the Queen of board games at our house. The nights when we are doing this are lots of fun and hopefully they will remember them as being nights we bonded too.

Other than that my mum was a bit crap really, and being in a Nursing home she has no chance of redeeming herself either.

GodzillasBumcheek · 21/05/2009 11:09

Ok, ten i realise the OP is more than just the thread title implies!

No, she was still no help though. Never has been.

pinkmagic1 · 21/05/2009 11:14

Can't say my mum helped alot but then she does work full time. In fact she buggered off on holiday when my 2nd was due and missed the birth!

MrsMattie · 21/05/2009 11:16

My mum was the first person I told I was pregnant (after my DH) all three times. She has been an enormous help to me. It's unquantifiable, really. She has given me massive amounts of practical and emotional support throughout my pregnancies and with child rearing.

prettyfly1 · 21/05/2009 13:54

Hey

My mum is getting better but in the early days was a bit rubbish. My dad however is brilliant. He works incredibly long hours so finds it tough but always makes time for my son, takes him on big days out to make up for not doing so many little things, listens to him, when I was still single stepped in as the male" figure, helps me in the house, teaches my son all sorts of naughtiness and was the person who told me how great I was doing when my son was born and I was terrified. He isnt the perfect man but he is a great parent and grand parent - and as a chef a very useful influence in the kitchen. I am now ten weeks with my second and my mum is being much better but its my dad who sends over meals on wheels and checks how i am daily.

Cosmosis · 21/05/2009 13:54

MrsMerryHenry how have you found being a mum without a mum? I ask because we are ttc at the moment, and my mum died when I was a child. I have very few memories of her at all, and I worry that I will not know how to be a mum. It doesn't help that my dad (while great in many many ways) is fairly emotionally distant, so I am not very good at all at emotions or showing feelings.

I'm quite scared that I have no idea really how to be a parent and that I will fail miserably at it.

I am lucky though in that I get on incredibly well with my MIL so am hoping she will be my mum support figure.

prettyfly1 · 21/05/2009 13:55

Oh and he surprised me when I took my son out for the day by doing ALL Of the jungle garden while I was out. And volunteered to watch my son whilst I was at uni when my mum refused to help.

GentlyDoesIt · 21/05/2009 14:11

Just thinking about my answer to this question has made me cry.

GentlyDoesIt · 21/05/2009 14:35

sorry, have pulled myself together now, just typed out a massive post about it all but have deleted it in case she recognises me this name-change.

I will just say extremely fuzzy boundaries to a spectacularly fucked-up extent and leave it at that.

Ripeberry · 21/05/2009 14:44

My mum told me not to have the baby! Mainly because she would not be "looked after".
A year later after DD1 was born she had a really bad attack of 'mania' as she is bi-polar and spent 3yrs in hospital.
She still moans now that we don't 'look after her'.
She has always been demanding and my dad has finally managed to go away on a holiday (UK) by himself for over 30yrs.
She never wanted to go away and did not let him go by himself.
I found all the information i needed from chatrooms and the internet.
Don't think i'd want familly telling me what to do with my own children.

MrsMerryHenry · 21/05/2009 14:47

Big mama hugs to Gentlydoesit.

I'm so glad to hear so many positive stories here. Those of you with fab mums, if you haven't already (and I suspect you have ), please call your mums and tell her what you've told us all on this thread. You are so lucky to have such a wonderful maternal influence in your lives.

Cosmo - I am so very sorry that your mum is no longer alive and that your future children will only have a maternal 'granny in heaven' like mine. I found my parents' 25th anniversary wedding video a couple of weeks ago - thought it had been lost. I haven't been able to bring myself to watch it yet but am excited to show DS real, live footage of Grandma and Grandpa MerryHenry for the first time!

Were you very young when she died? Have you ever had any kind of counselling for this? You may find that through the whole process of becoming a parent, hidden memories and feelings may start to surface.

My lovely mum died in 2001, so it's been a while (and I was in my mid-twenties so had her for much longer than you) but as I write I am in tears. Even after all this time, and having dealt with the grief well, I am still deeply affected. I was very lucky in that my younger brother was born when I was old enough to help out, so I had few qualms about becoming a mother as I had already had a lot of practical experience - which stuck in my brain for 20+ years and resurfaced when I needed it. I suspect that since you were a child when your mother died, you won't have had the same opportunities to learn about mothering?

Is there an older, experienced mother in your life who you trust, are close to and would like to learn from - even if you disagree on some aspects of child-rearing? If so I would encourage you to contact her and ask whether she would consider becoming a supportive figure for you as you enter this time of huge transition. Our culture doesn't support parents in the way that other cultures do - we do it through books and programmes, whereas many other cultures do it through community support structures. There are benefits of both, of course, but personally I'd prefer a relationship with a person to a relationship with a book.

Another thing to bear in mind is that just as my childhood memories of helping with my little brother kicked in when I needed them, it is thought that we all retain the memory of being mothered ourselves, no matter how young we were when our mothers died. I don't quite know how one can try to access this information, except that you should learn to trust your own instincts as a parent (all parents should, anyway).

With regard to my experience of being a motherless mother, I think I sort of blanked out the loss during pregnancy (actually my father died when I was 10wks preg). I just got on with preparing for preg, labour and motherhood by consulting books which supported my 'worldview' on parenting. Now, however, I do feel the lack of a reference to my childhood - I have nobody to ask about how my mother did things which I do with my DS. Also when it was DS's 2nd birthday I happened to have 2 female cousins (who usually live abroad) over, who all helped with the preparations. I was shocked. Being from a family of boys, the experience of having women to help organise the party was a revelation .

Cosmo, you may want to read 'Motherless Daughters' by Hope Edelman. I am currently reading her follow-up book 'Motherless Mothers', which I'm finding a bit vague and lacking in focus. I've heard the 'Daughters' book is much better.

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MrsMerryHenry · 21/05/2009 14:49

Just read your second post, Gently.

Whatever it is that's happened, it sounds awful.

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GentlyDoesIt · 21/05/2009 15:01

Thank you MrsMerryHenry. I am pregnant again, so recognise that I am quite sensitive to the whole "what makes a good mother?" question at the moment. The blub has done me good, actually!

MrsMerryHenry · 21/05/2009 15:04

Bless you. I have been blubbing non-stop on this thread, too, so you're in good company.

It's interesting how many women have found that their bad experiences have galvanised them into not repeating the past. I am encouraged by this, I did read something recently saying that it's not a given that we will end up parenting the same way that we were parented. GentlyDoesIt, I hope that you too are able to break free from your mother's example and bring up your children in a way that you are happy with.

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Cosmosis · 21/05/2009 15:05

What a long and thoughtful post MrsMH, thank you so much. Watching that video will be very emotional for you I'm sure.

I was 7 when she died (I am 34 now), so I do have some memories of her, but really not that many and they are fairly vague. I had counselling last year and my counsellor mentioned the same as you that I will have retained the memories of being mothered even though i cannot consciously remember them - apparently up to age 7 is the most crucial time for establishing these memories, luckily for me

I can defintely relate to what you have said about lack of reference - my dad does do his best but he's not that good at remembering things, he can't remember my birth weight for example, and obviously he won't be able to tell me things about my mum's pregnancy that she would have been able to.

I am very lucky in that I do have an extremely supportive network of friends with children who I can ask, and as I said I have a great relationship with MIL as well.

I haven't heard of that book so will have a look for it, thanks for the tip.

GentlyDoesIt I hope you are ok

MrsMerryHenry · 21/05/2009 15:13

Cosmosis - any time. I'm very glad you sought counselling. You may find that during pregnancy and labour more things resurface. Whatever happens, I hope you can take things gently and 'allow' yourself to work through whatever you need to work through. Labour can be particularly significant - for some women they find that their labour is arrested until they process some emotional stuff related to their mothers (whether dead or alive).

Really glad you have a great network of support, they will be invaluable. I am very excited for you that you are on this fantastic journey, and at such a great age (hand-slap from a fellow 34! ).

Also, like Gently, who has found her tears cathartic today, I would encourage you to allow yourself to grieve again whenever it comes up. When you are pregnant please don't worry about the impact of this on your unborn baby - I grieved for my father early on and yet my DS is the happiest child in the world. Well okay, maybe not quite in the world...! (pfb moment)

The book I mentioned says something about delayed grief for mother loss - I think it was even observed in women becoming grandmothers, that this triggered mourning over the loss of their own mothers during their childhood. I hope your counsellor encouraged you that grief enters and leaves our lives in many different seasons.

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Cosmosis · 21/05/2009 15:20

One of the main reasons for the counselling was that I knew I had not processed my grief at all and because as I said my dad is quite emotionally distant I wanted to sort it all out before we have children - I absolutely do not want to repeat that distant pattern with mine.

I can see that it makes sense that even becoming a grandmother would trigger the grief again - every milestone you reach that your mother did not reach is a reminder. So you are becoming a grandmother when you own mother did not get to be one. This year for me has been quite emotional as I am nearly the age my mother was when I was born, so again it's a milestone reached.

MrsMerryHenry · 21/05/2009 15:32

That makes perfect sense about the grandmothers, I didn't think of it that way at all.

You are clearly a very switched-on woman, and even the fact that you identified and tackled your need for support with grief and emotional connectedness shows that you are going to be different from your father.

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Cosmosis · 21/05/2009 15:36

I hope so MrsMH and thank you for the compliment

MrsMerryHenry · 21/05/2009 15:42

I am all too aware of this at the moment as I've been helping with a friend who is basically too afraid to grieve for her mother loss.

Best of luck.

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Cosmosis · 21/05/2009 15:45

My counsellor said that you brain only allows you to have enough grief for you to be able to cope with iyswim. Letting go is a terrifying prospect, I too was scared that I would be completely overwhelmed by it. Good luck to your friend.

MyNameIsInigoMontoya · 21/05/2009 16:07

My mum lives quite far away so hasn't been able to help that much in person. But she has always been great to have on the end of a phone for advice and reassurance, and she also set us a very good example, there are many things I would love to do as well as she did and only a very few I would do differently (& mostly just things where the advice has changed since then, e.g. having baby in your room for first few months).

I think though that the biggest way she has helped is by being so down-to-earth and from her wide experience with children, being able to reassure me whenever I have a wobble that my pregnancy/DS/his behaviour/his sleep, health, you name it is "stinknormal" (it's a German word but yes the literal translation IS "stink normal" basically meaning "completely normal & nothing to worry about"), which is always great to hear!

MrsMerryHenry · 21/05/2009 16:21

Thanks Cosmo. I am currently dealing with another set of grief in bite-sized chunks so I can fully identify with this. I hope my friend starts to do the same, and sooner rather than later.

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bronze · 21/05/2009 16:26

My mum tends to turn back questions towards me asking what do you think would be best. And then tells me that my reply is probably whaqt is best. Its given me real confidence in my judgement.
She was a fantastic mum to me as I grew up too.
They moved abroad a couple of years ago so cant be on hand but shes always happy to talk if I need to offloads or just natter about the children. Shes never inflicted her views on me though if she did suggest somethin g would probably do it as for her to suggest it means she really thinks its important and I respect her judgement too.
Eye of the storm has summe dup mymum too