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Original poster

has anyone else who has been in an emotionally abusive relationship see 'jordan and peter-stateside' the other night?

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shavenhaven · 09/05/2009 10:41

and if you have been how did you feel during there argument at the end of the show?

for those who have no clue what i am talking about you can see it on catch up on demand (skip to the last 10 mins if you cant handle the whole show)

dh is going through anger managment at the moment for issues that he has and i could not believe how much watching this show affected me.

it was just so close to what i have been through in the past that i ended up actually shaking and feeling sick.

basically they were messing around being a bit cheeky to each other then he totally went of on one calling her all the names under the sun and doing the whole 'dont you dare talk to me like that' thing. it was the way in which he turned that really got me.

i suppose other people may see it from the other side that she was out of order and he was just sticking up for himself but it really touched a nerve in me.

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HarlotOTara · 09/05/2009 13:59

I think they are both appalling - he was nasty but I have seen her say nasty things too. I very rarely watch them but when I have they always seem to be arguing and she is always saying she is the one who brings in the money. I think their relationship is very unhealthy and both of them show a lack of respect towards each other(from what I have seen) and this show doesn't help them. Why do they feel the need to show so much of their lives on tv or in OK magazine, can't just be for the money, feels very narcissistic and unhealthy. My DH argue but this was more than arguing. Don't think either of them are likeable.

sugarpear · 09/05/2009 14:00

omg just watched it on youtube! How messed up he is? He only got interested when it was about him and him bigging himself up over his "artwork". She needs to get shot of him his a parasite. She does all th ework she pays all the bills his a leach. And whats with the " think your gonna get away with talking to me like that"? sounded like a threat to me. Yeah i think she winds him up sometimes but there was no need for that he needs to grow up. She is the celebrity not him his a has been.

But above anything else she is the mother of his kids and he should have respect for her. That was as far away from respect as you can get.

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InternationalFlight · 09/05/2009 14:13

She's very odd. Does anyone know why she talks like that? Her voice and expression is just sort of 'dead'. It's weird.

tiredemma · 09/05/2009 14:14

She is the one who brings in the money though- no one would be interested in PA if he wasnt married to her.

Seriously- who in the wrong mind would buy his album? He needs to give up.

I dont really like either of them, but he is a complete prick. His little outburst has shown him to be a paranoid, arrogant has-been.

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shavenhaven · 09/05/2009 14:16

dsm i was posting as someone who has been frightened of this kind of behaviour in the past.

maybe to you its 'oh ffs-only a argument' but to me it was so much more than that.

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peachsmuggler · 09/05/2009 14:16

I think they're as bad as each other. The way they talk to each other is truly horrible. Absolutely no respect for each other.

LesAnimaux · 09/05/2009 14:18

Well the salesman was a first class twat IMO-I can see why they got annoyed with each other, and he did swear rather a lot - but abusive?

I need to come to live in your nice little lives. If that's abusive I grew up in one hell of an abusive family, and so did DH.

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shavenhaven · 09/05/2009 14:21

oh sorry LesAnimaux i did not realise we all had to run our levels of abuse through you for you to say if they are important enough

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InternationalFlight · 09/05/2009 14:23

Just watched the whole thing...what a pathetic argument. There's just no respect between them at all is there?

I'd hoped they were both better than that.

firststeps · 09/05/2009 14:24

I think she was to blame as well - she was goading him saying she earned all the money, that would piss me off. Don't think he came across as abusive just rightly livid and embarrassed by what she was saying.

junglist1 · 09/05/2009 14:24

In my mind it's emotional abuse. It's not normal.My P is abusive, he rants at me like that, and gets physical sometimes.I recognised the sudden switch and the irrational outburst. Before I thought she was a nagging witch,now I still don't like her, but like him even less. Greaseball.

noddyholder · 09/05/2009 14:24

they sre both vile.Does anyone really speak like that in front of sales people or anyone in fact.Even behind closed doors it would be pretty harsh.That is not a relationship and it is def abusive.But maybe I'm biased as I find her abhorrent at the best of times.She is paranoid beyond all reason and the way she speaks in front of their children is

traceybath · 09/05/2009 14:25

It was a very odd argument. I'd always felt a bit sorry for him although find him irritating with his constant obsession with sex.

But he did come across really nastily espeically when their manager had to sort of take him away from her as though he'd have really lost it.

Afraid i believe a lot of the gossip that they're about to split up.

Also surely she is just stating facts that she makes the money - ok not nice to say it but true.

sugarpear · 09/05/2009 14:26

Our nice little lives? As a past sufferer of spousal abuse i can tell you it was very abusive what he did to her. the fact is he may well of been showing off because he had an audience and he loves to be centre of attention. but had that been at home on their own just the 2 of then im sure she would have found it very intimidating and very scary. and maybe just maybe he wouldnt have stopped at being verbally abusive.....
but what would we know in our nice little lives!

InternationalFlight · 09/05/2009 14:26

Tbh I didn't see either of them being 'abusive' more than the other.

They were both being very childish and letting their filter down, ie saying anything that came into ttheir heads

I suppose I see this as a sign of a codependant relationship, where you imagine the other person takes you completely unconditionally despite what nasty things might be said...rather than having a basic level of respect that would forfend that occurring.

Dumbledoresgirl · 09/05/2009 14:27

Why do you think the salesman was a twat LesAnimaux? As far as I could see he was demonstrating the product (his job) and trying to make conversation with 2 customers. I thought Peter Andre was unspeakably rude to the salesman.

As for how he and Katie speak to each other - well, I am glad I am not constantly filmed as I don't think I would come across any better than Katie at times. The two of them do seem to have a very fiery relationship, but that is not necessarily a negative thing when it is between themselves. That said, Peter Andre's wobbly at the end was embarrassing and OTT but I think Katie Price looks like she knows how to take care of herself.

LesAnimaux · 09/05/2009 14:30

Sorry, I forgot, a child being scolded is abouse, a husband being sworn at is abuse. I'm sorry if you are shaking and feeling sick at what you see - I'm lucky I can laugh and point and say, "that is sooooo like X and X"

I gues diferent people handle things differently.

Maybe PA should have silently walked out of the shop when he realised the sales man was idiot (which is what it was all abut, I hink)

noddyholder · 09/05/2009 14:31

Yes you are lucky you can laugh

TheCrackFox · 09/05/2009 14:32

I didn't see this particular epsisode but from others I have seen it is normally Jordan being continually vile to him.

Dumbledoresgirl · 09/05/2009 14:32

Again LesAnimaux, why do you say that about the salesman? I honestly could not see him doing anything twatish. I felt sorry for him when the argument erupted between PA and KP. It must have been really embarrassing for him to have to witness a couple of strangers rowing in his shop.

LesAnimaux · 09/05/2009 14:33

OK, reading these posts I guess I must be living in a (very) abusive relationship. Such is life.

"Oh I'm firends with lots of famous people" I just have NO idea who you are.

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shavenhaven · 09/05/2009 14:35

well good for you if you can point and laugh.

you are obviously a far better person than i am.

for me the years of being put down and threatened has left a lasting impact on my life.

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noddyholder · 09/05/2009 14:35

Theirs is a very abusive relationship because generally people reserve their worst behaviour for behind closed doors so god knows what they are like without the cameras there. Those children don't stand a chance,they may have everything in a material sense but they witness disrespect and dysfunction in their parents all the time.A prime example of too much money mixed with a lack of education producing this freak show of celebrity.

junglist1 · 09/05/2009 14:36

There is a massive difference between abuse and a row. I have said things in public that twat P hasn't liked and have been turned on like that, in front of strangers and DC's. I was pushed over at Disneyland because DS2 ran into P's legs. The initial switch is terrifying, and completely out of the blue, but KP didn't seem shocked at all. Not saying I know what goes on in private with them, but he turned in a way I recognise only too well.