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Brokenhearted and trying to save our marriage...

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LuJay · 24/03/2009 02:28

Here's summary of what has happened over the last year or so... I have told absolutely NOBODY about this so this is quite difficult for me, but here goes...
We have always had a close relationship and i have always trusted DH fully and absolutely. When we married i was so happy that i had found someone who i believed would never ever stray as this was way outside his moral beliefs and values. He is a kind caring man and i just never believed he had it in him to cheat, especially since he has always worshiped the ground i walked on so to speak. Anyway, early last year i began to notice a marked change in his behaviour and became suspicious that he may be having an affair. So i started making note of secret conversations he was having on the phone and to cut a long story short, found out that he had been having a telephone relationship with another woman. Well i was devastated and confronted him about it and he denied there was anything in it except that he was flattered that this attractive (also married) young woman would be interersted in him and admitted that he was attracted to her but that nothing had happened and it was mainly a phone thing because he found it easy to talk to her. This shattered me even further to think that he found it easier to talk to her than to me, his own wife. At that time we had a young baby and a toddler and i knew i had been neglecting him emotionally while caring for our kids - it is so easy for the children to take over and before you know it you haven't been intimate in a month. So i accepted my share of responsibility. Anyway, things were ok for a few more months but i was still noticing some strange behaviour around phone use. Anyway, then i busted him after he went on a short trip with her and my world fell apart. I was on the verge of leaving him but we worked through it and i decided to stay and give our marriage a chance to heal for both myself, DH and of course our 2 beautiful children. DH promised me that they did not have sex, but that he wanted to although he wasn't sure whether he would have actually gone through with it once in the situation. Apparently she was also struggling with it since she also still loves her husband and so for those reasons on both sides, they never consumated the 'friendship'. Even if i convince myself that nothing 'actually' happened, the fact that he wanted it to hurt me more deeply than i can even explain. He has always been my world, the love of my life. Then late last year i found out that they were still in contact via sms and all hell broke loose again. I was ready to leave if for nothing else than to give him a taste of what a broken home would be like. He swears that the only reason he has remained in contact with this woman was to try to keep her calm so that she wouldn't lose it and tell her husband out of guilt which would only complicate things further. Anyway, he promised that he would not talk to her or sms her again and that if she called, he would not answer her calls and he would tell me about it. Anyway, 2 weeks ago i randomly listened to his voicemail and she had left him a message on there. There was nothing untoward about the message, it was very short and basically just said that someone had called and she wondered if it was him as it came from a private number. My trouble is that he didn't tell me about the message as he had promised and i was already having so much trouble trying to trust him again. He said he just didn't want to open a can or worms again and that he didn't tell me because he didn't want to bring the whole thing back up again for no reason. He said he did not return the call and that the fact that she left a message should reassure me because he does not answer her calls. Any thoughts from anyone who has been in a similar situation?

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PlumBumMum · 24/03/2009 23:25

Is that a good sign do you think they are the only numbers dh has for her

LuJay · 24/03/2009 23:39

no, there is one more which is still connected.

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HolyGuacamole · 24/03/2009 23:55

Sorry for being a bit direct earlier I do stand by what I say though. You deserve so much better! Due to my previous shitty relationships, I am highly cynical of men who act like your DH.

On a more constructive note, sounds like you need some ammo or proof, to either show his guilt or back up his innocence and allow you to make your own choices rather than relying on what your DH tells you. He's an idiot though. You shouldn't be in the position where you feel like this and are losing sleep. It's not good for your sanity or well being.

LuJay · 25/03/2009 00:03

That's exactly how i feel. I just need to know for sure either way. If i find out for sure that he is stringing me along and still seeing/talking to her because he wants to - i will leave him, no matter how hard that is. But i won't throw it all away over my own paranoia. So i guess i will just have to wait. If there is something going on, i'm sure they will slip up eventually and i will see it.

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UghNo · 25/03/2009 09:37

Good for you - I know how hard it can be trying to keep in what you have found out so that you can continue to keep an eye on what is going on and not reveal your source... Personally, though - I would have a word with the OW at this point. I am fairly sure she would let you know if anything was still going on as she had nothing to lose.

As for the threat from her H to yours - well, your H is going to have to learn the consequences of his actions...

LuJay · 25/03/2009 23:54

Just a quick note. There is more, I am getting to the bottom of it now. It seems that they were still in contact up until Christmas when i lost it the last time and was on the verge of separating. However, more evidence has come up that he is still lying as to the depth of their affair and he says can't we just leave it in the past. Can I leave it in the past when he is still lying about it in the present. What do you all think. He says it is fully over but doesn't want to discuss details, i would say because he doesn't want to hurt me anymore.

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BitOfFun · 26/03/2009 00:11

I would say you haven't got a prayer unless he is prepared to be completely honest. He should be bending over backwards to win your trust- which means total honesty, and prioritising you and his family, ie not spending two nights at the weekend with his "buddies"...if he calls you needy, you say "Hell yeah, I need you to stop being a twat".

Just my feeling.

HolyGuacamole · 26/03/2009 00:12

I think if you need to know then you need to know. If you let it pass and can't move on, then you might bottle things up and end up in a worse emotional state further down the line with added resentment.

It all depends on whether you need to know in order to allow you to move forward and put answers to your questions?

And yes, if you do need to know, then he better start talking. It's alright him conveniently wanting to forget it all, but what about you? If you'd known all the things in his head at Christmas, then maybe you'd be in a position now in March to just want to forget it all too, whereas you're just finding this stuff out now. He has had ages to think all of this over.

He needs to follow your lead on this one.

LuJay · 26/03/2009 01:53

he has told me he will do whatever it takes to help heal our marriage. I just don't know though if it is too little too late. I have lived with this horrible pain for over a year and i've always deep down known that there was more to it than he was admitting, i just couldn't prove it. Well now, at last, he has stopped denying it even though he hasn't actually admitted he slept with her, he is not denying it either (which he has always done up until now). Funny thing is, i'm almost numb about that point now. I'm more hurt by the fact that it didn't stop when i first found out about it over a year ago. He was my hero and now i know he has been lying and cheating for a long time. Some hero, i dont think i will ever be able to look at him again with the same adoration i once had and that's the part that kills me the most, i have lost something so profoundly special to me that i feel like i wont survive it.

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LuJay · 26/03/2009 03:50

Please tell me i'm doing the right thing by insisting he move out until he is ready to come clean. He's moving out today, all melodramatic and all saying that I want him out because i don't love him anymore. I guess i do want him out, not permanently though. I'm trying to send a clear message that i'm getting tough this time, i will allow him back when he is ready to proceed on my terms.

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AnyFucker · 26/03/2009 07:33

yes, yes, yes

give yourself some space to think about exaactly how you want to proceed, he has no input at this time

and for him to finally realise how profoundly his lying has wrecked your trust in him

my God, some men are soooooo stupid, its like they follow a rule book "how to be a cheating twat and ruin the best thing I ever had!"

LoveBeingAMummy · 26/03/2009 07:37

If he says he will do whatever it takes then he need to follow that up with action not just words. Think about what ti will take to get your relationahip back on track if that is what you want. Then speak to him if he is serious he will do it. But if he won't or doesn't follow through you may need to make a decision.

StirlingTheStrong · 26/03/2009 08:51

Yes, you are doing the right thing. I wish I had done that when I found out about my h's affair.

Sends a clear message that you will not be walked over

katemumtwo · 26/03/2009 09:31

FFS - why don't they just realise that if they come clean and tell you everything it is so much less painful than being drip fed half-truths? As for 'I don't want to talk about it ever again' - my H is doing this also. My immediate thought of course is that he has something he is still hiding. I'm biding my time as he tends to blow up when challenged, but I'll get to the bottom of it if it takes me till I'm 80.... yet he could have it all over with now if he so chose, rather than me needling him into oblivion. I have never understood why.

LuJay... I also get what you mean about the hero thing. I have lost so much respect and admiration for my H that I want to cry now just thinking about it. I just never thought he was that stupid a person, I suppose.

whatdoyouallthink · 26/03/2009 09:47

My dh doesnt understand the need for the truth either. Half the bits I found out came from a 3rd party. He wont answer any questions or tell me anything as he says the fact I know he slept with her makes the rest irrelevant. I cant understand why they dont just tell you all in one go then there would be nothing else to find out. Maybe it comes from the manual AF talks of

LuJay, you are doing the right thing in making him move out. It will not only send him a clear message but will also give you some time to think.

LuJay · 26/03/2009 10:09

thanks so much everyone. this has been such a terrible time for me - i know you all know what i mean. Yes, why don't they just tell us everything in one go so that we could have a chance in hell of moving forward? Katemumtwo, i loved your bit about being 'drip-fed half truths' so spot on.

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abedelia · 26/03/2009 10:45

There definitely must be a chapter on this in the manual - there are one or two minor details that my H has told me, but the rest has only been revealed from the OW's H sending me stuff and things I have read via emails I discovered at the start. And I am talking basics like 'who made the first move' and 'how exactly did you end up in your room with her'.

These are pretty important things - the details make no difference to what I'm doing with him and our future but I just want to hear him explain so I know he's ready to tell the truth about it all to me for once, and so it's not their little secret anymore. I am actually seriously tempted to email the OW's H to get her side of the story as 6 months on it is really getting inside my head. But that would defeat the object - I need to hear to from him...

KristinaM · 26/03/2009 10:55

hey lujay, glad to hear you are so strong

thanks for clarifying about the life insurance. though i am still trying to get my head around it. So you husband says:

" hi honey, i've been having an affair with our real estate agent whose husband is a crazy criminal. but because i love you and the kids so much i am taking out a life insurance policy on my life. Could you please come down to the office and write a check?"

All i can say is one of you is crazy! This isn't how normal people behave, truly it isn't. Either he is crazy to think he can treat you like this or you are crazy to let him.

One of the problems with not telling anyone [about your marraige problems] is that things sound so plausible in your head. Its only when you step back and hear youreslf/read what you have written that you get a reality check. You need space to work out what YOU want

Please get soem RL help to support you right now - friends or family or professionals

whatdoyouallthink · 26/03/2009 10:56

abedelia, these are the kind of details I was after...who chased who, what was said about me(ie did he ever tell her he would leave etc) and so on. My H isnt ready to tell me them so I know what I have to do and that is move on without him. I would have to know them all to be able to move on with him so I was completely sure that no-one else could come and tell me something that I didnt already know.

The fact that he dont want to tell me, makes me think that he doesnt want to move on. Dont like the idea that its all 'his secret' and looking back on it all with fond memories.

Hope you have more progress with your H in getting the details that you feel you need to be able to put it behind you.

abedelia · 26/03/2009 12:18

With mine, if I so much as mention her name he gets all 'don't talk about her, it's horrible' - the equivalent of a small boy with his fingers in his ears saying 'la la la' to make it all go away and for us to be back to where we were before. Unfortunately that can't happen, especially before it's all sorted. Okay, he says he doesn't want to be mentally taken back to when they were together, but I just can't go through life with a big secret between us when there were never any secrets before.

LuJay · 26/03/2009 12:38

KristinaM my darling, i feel your still not getting it re the life insurance. Don't know how it works in the UK (which is i think where you are?) but here in OZ you take a policy out on your own life ie, H has taken a policy on his own life, that means that if something terrible was to happen to him, like, oh i dunno, gets his head kicked in by the OW's H then the kids and I are provided for. That is to say that he took the policy to protect us (me and the kids) should the shit hit the fan fair and squarely so to speak. Hope this clarifies.

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LuJay · 26/03/2009 12:41

Tommorrow i am making an appointment to see a marriage counsellor, maybe things will be ok. Feeling much better and stronger now. H is at a motel (alone). He has booked for a week. He has given me the phone number and his room number so i can call him any time. He also said if i feel suspicious i am welcome to come to the motel at any time (even in the middle of the night) to confirm that he is alone. Maybe he is starting to get it, in terms of what he needs to do to earn my trust again. Transparency is the key word here i think, i need transparency.

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noddyholder · 26/03/2009 12:45

I think if you don't have the details you will make up your own story which could be a lot worse.He owes you that.Sorry I doubted you earlier but I found his stance unbelievable.Once you know the lot then you can unravel it and see if its something you can get over and move on from.He is editing it to save his skin which will never work Good luck you sound strong x

LuJay · 26/03/2009 12:47

Abedelia, i understand completely what you are saying about it not being the details that your after so much as the proof that he is being completely honest by giving them to you. I also feel that this is part of the 'punishment' that is really what is deserved. They need to know the full extent of the pain they have caused, they need to be accountable and they need to go through all the nitty gritty details as requested in order for us to know they are telling the truth and also as a deterrent to any future indescrepencies.

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LuJay · 26/03/2009 12:52

PS: KristinaM, yes, crazy, both of us (smile).

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