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Three months without seeing my mother - what to do next (long!)?

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mogwai · 22/03/2009 20:49

Long story - I've posted about it periodically so apologies if I'm repeating myself. This is a really long post so look away now if you need to!!

My mum was a single parent who brought me up alone until I was 13. My nan helped out a lot as she lived close by, but my mum was constantly falling out with her if she stood up for herself or wouldn't agree to what my mum wanted her to do. My nan was widowed and her husband had been very controlling so after he died she didn't want to be told what to do by her own daughter.

In the end, my mum found somebody else who would look after me while she went to work so she broke contact with my nan (her mum) and forbade me ever to go and see her again, which broke my heart. I was once forced to ignore her when we saw her shopping in the town centre and when I became a teenager and secretly went to see her, she found out and didn't speak to me for days.

She had various relationships with men throughout my childhood. She was engaged several times but it never lasted and would always end in a big bust-up over her possessive and jealous nature in which she tried to control the man by not allowing him the freedom to see his friends (she seemed very insecure on the one hand and yet was incredibly vain).

When I was 13, she got married and had another child. My stepdad was okay but he had a job that took him away from home most of the week and she was constantly suspicious that there were other women. Their marriage was unhappy and she treated him like crap, so in the end he did have an affair, which she said confirmed what she suspected he would do.

After they got married and had their own child, my mother became totally disinterested in me. Soon this turned into hurtful comments and actions (such as telling me I was fat, laughing at me, belittling me) and this progressed to isolating me from anything they did as a family (going on family outings without telling me, buying three of everything during the weekly shop and parading what they had bought in front of me - for example, buying three cream cakes and mocking me as they ate theirs knowing there wasn't one for me).

By the time I was in my mid teens I'd got a saturday job because my mum refused to give me money for even basic things like school shoes. I remember her once promising to buy me a warm coat and then refusing at the last minute (out of spite and wanting to be in control), leaving me struggling with a thin cotton coat all winter. Christmas was always awful - my stepdad had a son from a previous marriage and he wasn't allowed into the house to eat dinner with us so my stepdad used to take a plate out to the freezing cold garage and the boy had to eat his dinner there. Plainly, my stepdad didn't have the balls to stand up to her.

As I got older, it got worse. She began saying awful things like how she should have had an abortion rather than have kept me. I had no other family I could turn to (my nan had died by this point) and when I seemed upset by what she was saying, she'd mock me and tell me to go and live with my real dad, knowing full well I didn't know my real dad (because she had prevented me from knowing him).

I did well at school, which was my saving grace. The teachers sort of understood what was going on at home (though I never told them outright as I wanted to seem "sorted" like everyone else) and used to let me stay behind to finish work as I couldn't get any space to do so at home (she would send my toddler sibling into my room to play when I was studying then tell her I mustn't love her because I didn't want to play with her).

In the end I met a nice lad and realised from his family set-up that mine was totally screwed up. I also had a part-time job that I fitted around my A-Levels. The fact that I had a boyfriend gave me a bit of confidence to stand up for myself at home, which she didn't like, and this made her behave worse than ever, pouring away a bottle of perfume my friends had clubbed together to buy for my eighteenth birthday (though denying she'd done it), refusing to allow my boyfriend into the house (except the kitchen).

I tried many times to "make it better", even though I had no idea what I'd done wrong. Efforts included buying her things (such as saving up to buy her a dress I knew she wanted, only to watch her parade it in front of my stepdad then hang it in her wardrobe without even a thanks) and trying to talk to her (even saying "I don't know what I've done but I'm sorry" - which led her to literally shrug me off, walk away and turn out the lights).

By the time I was applying to university things were at a peak. She refused to help with the cost of train fares to travel to interviews so the school stepped in and gave me money from their "family hardship fund" which I found really embarassing. I was offered a well paid summer job but she refused to help me with the cost of travel for the first week so I had to let the job go. I was offered another summer job in Paris but she "forgot" to pass the message on until it was too late and the job had gone.

Eventually she packed my belongings into black bin liners while I was at work and told me to leave (again mockingly saying I should go to live with my dad). I literally had nowhere to go so my boyfriend's parents allowed me to pitch a tent in the garden of their tiny house and I lived in that for three months. She had stipped my bedroom and changed the locks within 24 hours of turfing me out.

I got good A-Levels and went to univeristy but struggled with anxiety and depression and found it hard to feel motivated academically. Looking back I realise I'd been "set free" from years of emotional abuse and was suffering some sort of post-trauma stress. Eventually I got counselling which helped a lot but didn't help with my academic motivation so I eventually took a year out and got a job before changed courses and finding something I really wanted to do.

During my univerisity years I tried to maintain a relationship with my mum because I had my younger sibling, of whom I was very fond. My mum wrote to me and said I could go home for the first christmas holidays providing I stuck to a set of rules (which she listed). Having no choice I went home but it was a diaster and I cried for the whole month. She also wanted payment for "keep", which I couldn't provide, so instead she took the duvet cover and pillowcase I'd bought with my student grant and kept them for my little sister's bed, leaving me with just a duvet to go back to university in the new term. I never spent another night at home after that first year (which is 18 years ago).

Since then our relationship has been very up and down, but I maintained it for the sake of my little sister.

The year I graduated she and my stepdad got a divorce, which left her financially devastated for a long time afterwards. She began phoning me during the exam period telling me about her financial problems and trying to convince me to take on her debts (for example, a hire-purchase sofa she'd got for £2,500 to "prove a point" to my stepdad). I refused to take on her debts as I had no job lined up after university but encouraged her to re-train so she'd be able to support herself financially, which she did. Incidentally, I was still with the same boyfriend I'd met all those years ago and he was now graduated and earning good money, which I suspect she saw as an opportunity a that time.

Years go by. At 32 I got married to the same boy I'd met when I was 17. When I showed her my engagement ring she didn't offer any congratulations but changed the subject to bitching about her ex-husband. In the run-up to the wedding she advised me not to have my little sister as bridesmaid because she would "show me up" (the real reason was that my sister was trying to form a relationship with her dad and my mum didn't like it and wanted to punish her). She couldn't get her way about the seating arrangements for the wedding (had a brand new boyfriend and wanted him on the top table) so she told lies about me to my uncle, which he (sadly) believed and has never spoken to me since.

In 2005 I had my own daughter. I wrote to my mum when I was first pregnant (before she knew) telling her how she'd made me feel. She wrote back telling me it had all been my stepdad's fault and he'd made her do and say all those things (which I simply don't accept). I replied saying I didn't accept this, so eventually she said she didn't know why she'd acted like this but wanted to have a "mother daughter" relationship with me, which I decided to try, as wanted to put the past behind us now I was going to have my own children.

My daughter is now almost four and I'm expecting a second in June. My little sister is not so little now (she's 22) but still lives with my mum, who has turned her against her father (literally cut him out of photographs with scissors). They are very close; more like sisters, as my mum has never really set boundaries for her and has clung onto her for dear life since she has no other friends or family any more (constantly falls out with her only brother). My sister's not a bright girl at all - calls herself "Vicky Pollard" and is scarily accurate, but she's my sister and I love her.

SO back to the present - My mum adores my daughter - only grandchild, very cute etc etc. It's a bit suffocating at times because her walls and surfaces are covered with framed photos and whenever she sees her she begs her for kisses and cuddles that I suspect my daugher doesn't really want to give (and my mother gets from nobody else).

She has often looked after my daughter (though never overnight) but I realised recently this has always been on her own terms because when I truly needed her help (because I wanted to go to parents' evening and there was nobody else to ask), she began umming and ah-ing and said she "might" do it, whicb brought into sharp focus her need to be in control and to "withold" help to make herself feel like she has the upper hand (I eventually missed the parents evening rather than be treated like that).

My mother drains my energy. She never has a good word to say about anyone. She has (literally) no friends. She falls out with her colleagues. She would cause trouble in an empty house. She's bored all weekend as has no hobbies or interests (hence offers to "give me a break" from my daughter as has nothing else to do). I have recently become concerned about what she says about me behind my back to my daughter (who is developing a good memory).

At Christmas she didn't buy me a present, which was perfectly fine because, although I knew what I wanted, I hadn't decided on the exact item (it was just something small anyway). She asked whether she could buy it at the end of january instead, which I didn't mind until she explained she wanted to save her money to get a replacement kitchen door mid-january (hence my present owuld have to wait). My sister was given an i-pod and some Ugg boots while I was being told the kitchen door had to come first. It struck me like a slap round the face that she treats us so differently and though she claims to want a "mother daughter" relationship, she appears to actually want her cute grandaughter.

Because of this incident and because of some snotty text messages she sent me in January, I decided to stay away for a while to clear my head, which seemed preferable to a confrontation.

In mid february, my sister sent me an email saying my mum was "upset" I hadn't been in touch and that I "ought to be nicer to her because you only have one mum". This really enraged me - my mother had clearly put her up to contacting me and my sister has no idea about what I suffered as a teenager because she's had a very different relationship with our mother. I told my sister she'd be better off to keep out of things she doesn't understand, which provoked a message from my mother saying (amongst other things) that I am "obviously ashamed of both of them" and that she "realises I now move in different financial circles" but she's "still my mother" despite this. And she said she would be "devasted if she couldn't see her grandchildren anymore".

She is so wide of the mark and out of order, it's hard to know how to react. I replied saying she was stressing me out, which was not good for my pregnancy. My sister replied to this saying "I know I'm in the right". I didn't read the rest of her message because it upset me so much - I just deleted it.

It's ironic that this is the sibling I tried hard to stay in contact with despite it meaning I had to have contact with my mum. She can never know how things were for me, though I have tried to explain why I don't always get on with my mum.

SO it's been five weeks since those messages and three months since I saw either of them. My daughter has never mentioned them, which makes me feel I have an opportunity to cut them off without it affecting her. I did send my mum a mother's day card in the post (ah the guilt! no present! no visit!) but I honestly feel healthier and happier without having to deal with her or listen to her griping about other people or constant streams of questioning about our life and the lives of our friends.

At the very least, I would never, ever allow her unsupervised access to my children again but my husband feels my children may feel I've let them down by denying them a relationship with their nana so I'm not sure what to do for the best. I have no inclination to contact them at all and have felt no love for my mum since I was a teenager.

I would SO appreciate thoughts on this (long) story in terms of (a) how would you characterise my mother and her behaviour? and (b) what would you do now?

I have read "Toxic Parents", BTW and I think it helped me a lot to make sense of my abusive time at home but still it's hard to cut a parent out of your life and nobody ever understands the situation apart from very old (or very close) friends. There's an assumption that if you don't get on with "your own mother" then there must be something wrong with YOU and I never know how to respond when people ask.

TIA

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CarGirl · 22/03/2009 22:17

she could be prosecuted for what she did you know, I'm shocked that your school never reported their suspicions to social services. I mean it was horrific to treat you like that.

mogwai · 22/03/2009 22:25

Cargirl, hindsight is a great thing.

If I could turn back the clock I would go to Social Services myself. I did consider it at the time but when I was growing up she would threaten me with "the childrens' home" (though I truly never felt she meant it). There was a horrible childrens' home near us and it filled me with dread.

I never considered there would be such a thing as "foster care", or rather, I thought that was where "orphans" went while they were waiting to be adopted.

At 13 I thought I was too old to qualify for foster care because I thought I'd be too old for adoption IYSWIM.

Also, today we know much more about emotional abuse and it's effects. Back then (mid to late 80's) Childline was just being set up and the focus was on this "new thing" called sexual abuse.

I think emotional abuse is not so well understood and I'm not sure it would have been taken seriously then.

Regarding the school, in their defence, I was very good at looking as though there was no problem. I was careful to appear well groomed (washed my hair every single morning) and did have the right uniform because I bought it myself. Two of the teachers tried to engage my mother in conversation on the topic at a parents' evening and she apparently reacted with "what's she been saying?" very aggressively so they didn't persue it.

They ought to have talked to me directly but they didn't. I would have told them everything if they had asked.

After she threw me out, my cookery teacher offered I could live with her, bless her. My French teacher bought my wedding cake when I got married - was really sweet of her and my geog teacher is god mother to my daughter. They did their bit in the context of the time.

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JackBauer · 22/03/2009 22:28

Don't say that you tried and failed. You tried. Your mother let you down, again. This is not your fault.

I have had a few weak moments, once when he was diagnosed with chronic leukemia and I was told he was ICU and at death's door. I actually drove to SIL's house and stayed with her ready to see him in teh morning and then realised that nothing he said could make up for what he did to us as children. I knew he woujdl deny everything as he had to my sister, which woiuld just upset me, so I did a wholly selfish thing and went home.
He is fine now, (am a bit about his illness actually as no-one ever saw him in hospital...classic toxic parent tactic BTW).
I just try not to dwell on it TBH, it does make me sad, especially when I see DH with DD's and I wish that I had had what they have with DH.
I teased his (DH's) dad the other day for the first time ever, although I have known him for 13 years, and it felt so weird to be able to take the mick without fear of reprisal, so that upset me.
I don;'t want to make you feel like this will be 'hanging over you' but that 99% of the time I am happy and fien with what I have done, the other 1% I am happy and fine, but devestated that I had to.

hope that makes sense!

mogwai · 22/03/2009 22:45

It makes lots of sense, Jack

It could never sit easily that you HAD to do it.

It's not your problem but you have to del with the aftermath all your life.

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BitOfFun · 22/03/2009 22:49

Mogwai, I think you have had some good advice here and I feel inadequate to add more really...I just want to add my support and say how much I admire you. If I want to go away and howl into my pillow after reading your posts, god only knows what you and the people who identify with you must be feeling! Much love - thankfully your dd has a wonderful mum to treasure her

mogwai · 22/03/2009 23:08

thanks

It's so refreshing to actually hear support.

I have a very small family (couple of cousins same age as me, half sister (obviously)) and they are not really capable of understanding these sorts of issues so cannot understand why I might choose not to have a relationship with my mum.

My cousins lost thier own mother when they were small children and now fall into the camp of "you've only got one mother".

My sister has no relationship with her father because my mum has done such a hatchet job on him (to be fair he hasn't been the best dad in the world to her because he's selfish but he's not been bad either). She doesn't have the self awareness or reflective abilities to compare our situations, just thinks "I've only got one mum".

The temptations to say "you've only got one dad" is enormous but I resist because I don't want to be drawn into such a simplistic line of argument.

It's horribly frustrating and helps more than I can say to have support from you guys.

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mogwai · 22/03/2009 23:13

at thought of treasuring my DD.

I go into her room when she's asleep and I stroke her hair and it honestly makes me cry to look at her because I love her so much.

I know many many mothers must do the same without telling anyone else because it does look a bit hormonal and barmy.

Sometimes I think I try so hard to be a good mum because it makes better some of the things that happened to me. (I think that's what they call transference isn't it? - probably not psychologically healthy!).

It doesn't really make it better and it probably just puts more pressure on me but at least I know I'm giving her the opportunity to feel loved and secure and wanted and hopefully she can pass that to the next generation without analysing it like I do.

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BitOfFun · 22/03/2009 23:17

You sound like you're doing a great job to me!

mogwai · 22/03/2009 23:19

(hmm you might not have agreed today when she was trying to cook me an ELC pizza in her ELC kitchen and wanting me to pretend to eat it. I was just thinking, for goodness sake, it's sunday, let me read the sodding papers!).

Sigh!

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Dalrymps · 22/03/2009 23:40

I would say take your chance, forget the guilt and cut her off. Do what makes you happy. You've tried hard enough, she's never going to change.

So much of what you say is familiar to my own situation, well, expept you've had it more extreme than me.

My two siblings and I cut contact for 3 years then I decided to 'try again' this christmas as I have had ds.

I am seriously regretting it and wish i'd left well alone. The emotional abuse has begun already again. She made me cry today on my 2nd ever mothers day, I only rang to wish her happy mothers day. I got a guilt trip because although I sent a card and called her at midday, I didn't go (120miles) to see her and didn't ring earlier in the day so she thought i'd 'forgotten about her'.

I also got a guilt trip as although we keep meeting up I don't trust her enough to give her my address yet. She's not happy about this and chose today to tell me about it.

It's not worth it, you only get one life!

NotPlayingAnyMore · 23/03/2009 00:00

"Interestingly, I end up supporting other people. Does anyone else fall into this category??"
Yes. No idea why we do, but I'd love to know the psychology behind it.

My goodness. So much in this thread ringing bells for me.
The neglect. The sabotaged opportunities. The kicking out
But, on a more positive note: the realisation that not everyone lives like this.

You wouldn't let a stranger treat your or your family like this, so why should you let anyone else on the basis that you share a bit of blood?
Once your DCs demonstrate a mind of their own which doesn't concur with your mother's, she'll turn on them like a shot and history will repeat itself.
If they want to dispute that, they can find out for themselves, by themselves, when they're of age.
Until then, it's your job and your right to protect then.

You're happy, DCs are happy. If it ain't broke (or if it's better broke! ) don't fix it.

midlandsmumof4 · 23/03/2009 00:28

As my name implies I don't have daughters but I cannot ever understand how a parent can treat a child the way that you and others on this thread have been treated. You have your own family now-concentrate on them and stop trying to conform to stereotype. You do not automatically have to love your mum. Love needs to be worked at in any relationship and your mum does not deserve you.

BitOfFun · 23/03/2009 00:35

Are you mumofboys? Doh!

midlandsmumof4 · 23/03/2009 01:02

BitofFun-sorry. Forgot which site I was on-yes mum of four boys-hope my real identity is not exposed .

mamas12 · 23/03/2009 01:21

She does sound like she has a mental imbalance of some sort. She sounds like my exmil who is still like this with her children (all over 40 now) Don.t engage You will feel guilty because you have been 'trained' to by her and society in general but as another poster said why put up with this from her just because of a little blood?
Stay strong and get on with you life with your dcs and it sounds as if you are doing a little of what I do. i.e. try to recreate the childhood I never had but would love to have had, and in that way I enjoy a 'happy' childhood now through mine (I hope)

poshsinglemum · 23/03/2009 06:53

She abused you as a child so it is natural that you don't want to see her. IMO it will effect your dd more if you DO see her. One of granddad's was dead and it didn't affect me in the slightest. I never knew him. I can also see that both my grandmothers can be vicious old bags when they want to be but I do love them. If contact with her makes you miserable then your dd wiull suffer. your mum is manipulating you through guilt. your story has made me angry on your behalf tbh.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 23/03/2009 07:50

Mogwai

I would class her as personality disordered and emotionally abusive. You were the victim of her long term neglect and spite.

If you cut this emotionally damaged and unhappy toxic Mother of yours out completely you will feel a lot happier. You were treated and still are treated abusively by your Mother. Your sister as well seems to have had her whole identity subsumed by her and willingly so (again this is abusive on your Mum's part but your sister does not realise this). Your Mother has come back at you as well with the usual types of responses such people give.

You are not responsible for your Mum's poor choices - she is. It is unfair to blame you for her lot in life. You would also not take this kind of treatment from a friend so your Mother should be no different in that regard.

Re your comment:-
"but my husband feels my children may feel I've let them down by denying them a relationship with their nana so I'm not sure what to do for the best".

Your H has likely not come from such a dysfunctional background (thank goodness) so has no real idea fortunately of what these people can do or what they are capable of. These sentiments are often expressed by people who have come from "normal" family backgrounds.

I would remind him that such problems as well can become generational; what would your children gain if they were to have a relationship with this woman, your Mother?. They would not gain anything meaningful, she would likely start on them, play one off against the other and poison them against you when they are old enough.

Living well is the best revenge and guilt is a useless emotion. Concentrate instead on your own family unit.

Attila

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nickschick · 23/03/2009 08:28

I had v similar too.

Move on and dont look back.

JackBauer · 23/03/2009 08:29

Ah, Attila has found thread. She speaks a lot of sense!
Hope you are feeling a bit clearer this morning. One thing I meant to say was to make sure your DH knows what you are doing and why. He may not understand it (mine didn't at first) but he does need to support you in it. When I first made the decision he answered the phone every time so when it was my father he could just say 'she doesn't want to talk to you' and hang up without me havign to expain or getting sucked into a conversation.

Buda · 23/03/2009 08:46

I have only read the OP (sorry - am about to leave to go to dentist!) - but can I just say one thing? I am FULL of admiration for you. You could so easily have let yourself become a victim and leave school with no qualifications and no future but you worked hard and went to university. You are amazing. Don't ever forget that.

Will come back to this later.

kingprawntikka · 23/03/2009 08:51

I am so sorry that you had such a miserable upbringing.This woman has not been a mother to you and I truly think you owe her nothing. You say you are torn between what is right for you and what is right for everyone else. I actually think it is the same thing. I don't think she will be a positive source in your daughter's life. The fact she still treats you badly shows it was not all down to your step-father ( not that that could ever be a valid excuse) and I am sure your life would be happier without her in it. Yes it is nice to have your grandparents around , but only if they are decent people. My grandads both died before I was two . I have no memory of them - and whilst it would have been nice to know them I certainly haven't suffered from not doing so .Your daughter doesn't need a grandma like this.
You sound really together and have achieved so much - non of it with your mothers help, in fact more acurately despite her putting obstacles in your way. You do not need her in your lives.

NotPlayingAnyMore · 23/03/2009 10:12

"Your H has likely not come from such a dysfunctional background (thank goodness) so has no real idea fortunately of what these people can do or what they are capable of. These sentiments are often expressed by people who have come from "normal" family backgrounds."

Attilla's spot on.
I had to cut my sister off late last year (there's thread about it on MN) and I remember the look of fright on my DP's sister's face when I mentioned it to her as they have a fairly normal family life in comparison. I also mentioned to a colleague and she urged me to "never say never" as her brother was dying at the time, but I had to politely reiterate that not even serious illness would change her or I, so it wouldn't change my decision.
In my experience it's usually these times in which it's most important not to let our guard slip and let the other person regain the control.

HolyGuacamole · 23/03/2009 12:27

Yep, agree with what everyone's saying on here. I too can relate to a lot of things you are saying and your original post is very sad indeed.

You have done so well to come through the other side and prove to yourself that you can be successful in terms of education, having a relationship, having children etc and you should always remind yourself of that. You are better than her because you did not allow your bad times to monopolise your own life and in turn, your children. You broke the cycle and that is a display of true strength of character.

I too look at others relationships with their parents and I wish that I had the same but I don't. I will never have that with my own mother, I have no contact with her and will keep it that way. My MIL, I don't really get on with as a person (we have different values/opinions etc) but all due respect to her, she is a fantastic mother and my FIL is a truly great father. They always display their love for my DH and SIL and it is so nice to see that, but it highlights to me the lack of this that I had.

I could post forever on this topic, it is very close to my heart. I just want to say that you have done so well and you sound as if you are happier without the contact, it is your call but always do what makes you and your little family happy. Don't let anyone stomp all over that. Be proud of yourself and forget the Aunties/Uncles etc, they know you as a person and if a poisonous person can turn them against you (as has happened to me) then they simply weren't worth it in the first place.

mogwai · 23/03/2009 19:31

Gosh, loads of really thoughtful replies.

Lots to think about and I do feel so much stronger for having opened up about this and for having listened to all your views.

You are so supportive and the things you have said have helped me put things into perspective and feel I have the right to feel the way I feel. Society does condition you to forgive (especially when it's your mother) and certainly, "forgiveness" is something my mother seeks from me but something I don't feel in my heart. In several letters that have been exchanged, she has returned to saying "I have asked you to forgive me and you are not willing to".

I think part of the problem is that she minimises the extent of the damage she has caused (despite knowing I saw a psychologist for seven years during my twenties), or doesn't truly accept the blame, having been forced to admit to her actions yet being unable or unwilling to account for them. She has said would like me to "forgive" her so that we can "move on", which roughly translated, appears to mean "stop going on about it and let me see my grandchildren" but when I try to forgive her and can't she places the ball into my court and says it's my unwillingness to forgive that is causing any issue.

You cannot, of course, force yourself to feel something that you don't feel. She doesn't seem to understand that I have tried and found it impossible to forgive, so when she trawls out the same line of "you can't forgive me" I feel I have no reply for her - nothing more to add.

Is this sort of thing ringing bells to anyone else? I feel it must be typical "toxic" behaviour.

Yes, DH comes from a relatively "normal" family. It's a small family (no aunties or uncles or cousins, just one brother) and I have often thought how it would have been nice to have married into a large extended family but he's the best husband I could ever have hoped for and the extended family bit just wasn't to be.

He has always been quietly supportive (though privately has occasional outburts of rage at the way she has treated me or continues to treat me) but sometimes that's part of the problem.

He is a natural diplomat who will put up with people he doesn't like and maintain an admirable level of civility to such an extent that the person in question feels that he actively likes them. I must admit I find this much harder to do and in the case of my mother I often wish he would "stick up for me" to her face as I feel his open disregard for her would make my own position easier (ie it wouldn't look as though it was just me who didn't like her). I'm not really sure if this makes sense or whether it is, in fact, preferable to have tried to keep the peace.

Just recently he has begun asking me what I am going to do about the current situation (ie the situation where I have had no contact with her for about six weeks). I have replied that I don't really know what to do next, hoping he might have an opinion but he just goes quiet on the subject (which reminds me that he feels I need to maintain a relationship with her in case our children blame us for having missed out later).

At other times (in front of my friends) he has been more openly supportive, for example, if I say I don't feel like seeing her at all, he will add "I don't blame you" with complete conviction. Funnily, he is often more forthcoming about his opinions when we are in company than in private.

As I mentioned previously, our daughter hasn't mentioned her nan since Christmas. Today we went looking in a car showroom and she climbed in the front and told me who she imagined was sitting in the back, naming both her nanas for the first time since Christmas. My heart sank.

I know my mother will want to bring an easter egg or will try to contact me to say she is "being prevented" from bringing an easter egg. I also know she will want to know when I've had the baby in June. I'm not sure how to play this really.

I have no desire to contact her around the time the baby is due or when the baby is born. She fell out with me when I was overdue with my daughter because I asked her politely not to phone me twice a day asking for news - sent me a text message saying "I AM your mother but if you don't want me to care about you then FINE". We did eventually tell her I'd gone into labour and she spent the whole time phoning the labour ward updating me on her whereabouts (you know, things like "I'll be in ASDA for the next hour" as though I had nothing better to worry about). She has a habit of marring every special occasion in my life (my 18th, my wedding, my graduation etc) that I'd rather not think about her when I'm having a baby.

I feel much stronger this evening - it was mothers' day yesterday and I just HATE mothers' day - but I hope I can continue to feel strong and might have to print this thread off for those weak moments.

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