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Nabster · 23/02/2009 10:59

Here we go again.

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smithfield · 05/04/2009 20:09

Hi Nabster

Sorry I wasnt around earlier...I am now if you want to talk?

PinkyMinxy · 05/04/2009 20:38

Hi Nabster how are you doing now? Sorry I've been out for the day. Sorry you are feeling low.x

ActingNormal · 05/04/2009 21:30

Been out for the day too, now got headache (but having a glass of wine anyway), so can't type much, will type more tomorrow.

Reading about some of your mothers it strikes me that they are STILL behaving toxicly now that you are adults and that I am lucky I am not in this situation. I'm also thinking that my parents neglected to do some things that they should have done because they had problems themselves but they didn't do anything on purpose that they knew would be horrible for me out of anger/dislike of me, eg the thing about sending a child out half dressed in cold weather! I mean actively taking out their anger on their children! I think I would find these things much harder to forgive - well I'm wondering if these things should be forgiven at all!

Nabster, sorry you are finding it difficult today. I know what you mean about feeling like your children are in your face all the time and wanting to be left alone sometimes. I think it is worse when there is lots of stuff in your head that you feel needs processing. You want time and space and quiet and stillness to get your thoughts in order but it is hard to get that space when you have children.

The more unprocessed stuff that is in your head the more space you want and it seems like you are feeling like you want space all the time at the moment. It shows that you have a lot of stuff to get through with your therapist. I really do believe that the more you make 'sense' of your thoughts over time the more this feeling of wanting to escape from your children will lessen. I know that when issues flare up for me because of things that happen now (mostly with my brother), at the same time I have a phase of not being able to tolerate my children and wanting to be on my own and escape from them. When I get through each phase I get better with the children again.

BopTheAlien · 05/04/2009 23:12

Nabs - sending you a hug, it's so hard to be in that dark hole. I was there myself just yesterday, but I sense that it's a lot more urgent and ongoing for you at the moment than it is for me - but I have spent a lot of my life in that hole and I know how painful and unbearable it is. I?ve also sometimes felt I?d done wrong by becoming a mother, when it seemed impossible to cope ? but the fact is, if you hadn't had children, you would be absolutely desperate now for different reasons - from the pain of not having children. I know, because that's where I was for about 10 years, and that is also hell, even though a very different kind of hell to feeling that you are failing the children you have got, or that you can?t cope with them. I don?t mean that in a preachy ?count your blessings? way, I mean that the root cause of your pain now is the hurt you suffered as a child and that hurt would haunt you and make your life miserable whatever life choices you made, because it obviously goes so deep, and being on your own would be dreadful too if you really were, all the time.

And that aside, you are doing the best you can and NO ONE can give their children everything they need. NO ONE can cope with their children's demands all the time - I struggle with just one DS, and when you have more than one it must be even more of a balancing act, juggling their different needs. So ? try and cut yourself some slack, it is a hard job being a mum at the best of times, and when this stuff starts coming down on you like this it?s really, really hard. As my therapist always says ? Life is for heavyweights. It is hard, and you are not alone.

BopTheAlien · 05/04/2009 23:18

Sakura and PM - and at your mothers. How totally and utterly unmotherly. And how horrific to see them pracitising their deception like that. Good job you can both see what's going on now. Sakura, I totally know what you mean about still feeling they're omnipotent in some way. They ARE omnipotent when our brains and self image and image of the world in general are being formed, really, so how can that be erased just because we grow up and "know" that they are not?

BopTheAlien · 06/04/2009 00:41

Mothers. A lot of discussion about bonding, recently - or not bonding. I suppose it's obvious that my mother wouldn't have bonded properly with me, after the death of the child before - she has said that she was scared of allwoing herself to get too close, because of that bereavement.

But I tend to think that's a symptom or a facet of her general disorder, rather than the root cause of it all. I think she was probalby always like that, and if she hadn't been, she could have reacted differently to the circumstances. Her own mother died when she was 19, and she once told me that at the time she "prided herself on how quickly she got over it". She was saying this with some awareness that this was not actually the best thing to have done after all, but still - to me it speaks volumes. It shows how dysfunctionally she was brought up - to regard all feelings as weaknesses to be stamped upon and got rid of as quickly as possible. Sometimes it seems like the only real feeling she didn't get rid of was anger. That was certainly the only feeling that was expressed with any passion in our "home".

But my mother confused me greatly because she did all the right things, on the surface. She fed me, she clothed me - she was the kind who would be always on at me to put another layer on, a hat, a scarf; she loves being a hostess, making tea and cakes, she made some of my clothes herself fgs (although I never really liked them and then felt even more guilty for "rejecting" her, so I never consciously admitted, even to myself, as a child, that I felt yukky in them). She always hugged me and sometimes said she loved me - so on the surface I had this great mother who ticked all the boxes.

But I didn't. She hated me. Others have spoken of this recently - the active hate - my god, the look on her face when she was shouting at me, the look in her eyes and the tone of her voice - it took me years and years and years to work out that this was not OK and not normal and not loving. AN, you came up with the term "poison container" - well I was absolutely that for my mother (for my whole family). She just spewed her venom into me. Like she really wanted to destroy me. And I think, in her mind, she did - and does - see herself as perfectly justified in doing so, she really believed and believes that I was the person who had made her like this. She's getting quite bonkers now, actually - when I last had any contact with her, she was semi-desperate to be restored to a relationship with me as DS had been born, so she was saying whatever I wanted to hear, admitting how wrong she'd been and how she hadn't been a good mother (this is only the tip of the iceberg, btw) and saying she took responsibility and wanted to make it right etc etc. But the need in her to go back to her old ways and try to control me and use me to make herself feel better about her own crap was just too strong and she was back to shouting at me and blaming me and painting herself as the poor injured martyr within a few weeks of phone contact. Or just forgetting or denying what she'd said the day or week before, even minutes before in the very same conversation. (Both my parents are adept at that.) Basically, she would only say she'd been wrong as long as I kept acting like everything had always been fine and as long as I wasn't angry with her at all. So it was worthless and meaningless, just like her "I love you"s and her empty, cardboard hugs. actually, no, it was worse than meaningless, it was utter selfishness as usual from her - she wasn't doing any of it because she genuinely recognised she'd hurt me and she wanted to make me feel better in any way; she was doing it because she wanted contact with me and her gs, to make her look normal to herself and her friends. And that's it. I don't actually feature in her world at all.

You talked about annihilation, AN - sometimes I really don't know how I wasn't annihilated completely. Despite all the "good", "normal" stuff in our family, there was something so crazy and so evil that I still can't believe I got out alive. Sometimes I feel like I escaped from Colditz. But it was pretty much nearly all psychological, it was the environment I grew up in that was so dangerous, not specific acts as such.

It's hard to write this. I still always worry that people will read and think - well, she's making a big fuss about nothing Which was one of my mother's favourite lines - oh, along with how useless I was, thanks for reminding me of that one PM. And how I hadn't got any gumption, how I lacked any common sense, how selfish and lazy and greedy I was, how I was all take, take, take. Stop crying or I'll give you something to cry about. Stop laughing or you'll be laughing on the other side of your face. Stop doing that or I'll knock you into the middle of next week, I'll give you a thick ear, knock your heads together. And my mum wandering around like the biggest martyr in the world, like I was ganging up on her with my dad and my brother (huh???) and she was so poor and put upon and hard done by. Oh no, that was me always acting as if I was hard done by. Or a dog in the manger. (What? what did that even mean??? I had no idea.) Or being melodramatic. But then conversely, if I actually wanted her know that I was upset, "it's not like you to be miserable" - huh?? ie let's pretend you're not upset because I'm bloody well going to completely IGNORE it.

So this is the milder end of the scale, and from the one person in my family I did feel I got any love at all from. Am I attention seeking??? AN, when you write that I want to scream at you, no, of course you're not! (in the nicest possible way, I hope you understand. And it was so sad to read what you went through and the way you listed it as if they were just normal routine things instead of acts of betrayal and abuse and terrible hurt that happened to you). But when I'm writing I feel the same way. I feel there is even less concrete evidence of what I went through, and that a lot of people would judge me for being stuck in the past, unable to let go, over dramatising it - you know these really anti-therapy types who call it whingeing and emotional self-indulgence? But IME it's usually those people who are themselves actually really stuck in the past, only with no awareness of it whatsoever, so they just repeat it without realising again and again. A tangent, sorry.

I'm aware this is becoming a bit stream of consciousness, sorry, but - anyway, the facts of my life are that for years - decades - it was absolute shit. I had no proper job, no regular income; no healthy stable relationhips; no solid, long term friendships; no husband; no proper home of my own; no children of my own - no normal life at all, really, just nibbles at it. Not even good health; not even a cat. And everything I tried to do to make things work just backfired and seemed to land me even deeper in the hole. Or the spider's web. Literally, everything.

Then I found my present therapist who saw what had really happened to me, and also saw how hard I was prepared to work and how determined I was - and my life slowly started to turn around. And now, finally, I have a loving DH, a beautiful DS, a lovely home, some lovely friends... my life is totally unrecognisable. What changed? I started to really blame my parents. Really see it as black and white, actually - there are NOT two sides to every story - Baby P and his mother/abusers, Josef Fritzl and his daughter, Mugabe and Zimbabwe... sometimes it is very clear, there is a wrongdoer and an innocent victim, whether one person or a whole nation. Obviously these are extreme examples but I have to see it the same way, because it's the only thing that makes sense of my life. They were the wrongdoers and I was the innocent victim. They hurt me, I paid the price. All those years before, I thought if they hurt me I must have deserved it/provoked it somehow; or before that even that if I was failing at life it was because I was just crap. But they hurt me and I paid the price. This is what most of my conscious mind thinks. Some of me is still in denial and hence the worry about being condemned. But I do think I know the truth now. Long time coming. Hope I haven't scared you off.

Sakura · 06/04/2009 06:46

Bop, LOL at your "dog in a manger" paragraph. THat was so funny- the way you wondered what most of her spiel even meant. I liked the way you listed the catchphrases your mother spouted. I can totally relate.

Nabster,
I hope you are feeling okay. Just keep going. Can I recommend a film for you? Its called "The Hours" with Nicole Kidman, Meryl STreep and Julianne Moore.
The "hours" they are talking about are the hours in between life- when we are not actively doing something i.e the hours that we have to sit with ourselves and think. These are very difficult for depressed people. I think many of us on this thread try to fill up these hours with alcohol or MNing. Some people fill the hours up with work (workaholism) or cleaning (OCD), or food.
In the film, just before one of the characters commits suicide, Meryl Streep tries to stop him, but he says:
"You know, I think that I'm only staying alive for you"
and she replies:
"Well...that is what we do...we stay alive for one another"

So simple, but something so true in that line, especially when you have children. I think if you view staying alive as an achievement in itself, rather than the starting point, it helps lift the weight off your shoulders somewhat.
You are cooking dinner, you are there, you are alive. THat means a lot to many of the people in your life, even if you can't feel it most of the time. There will be time in the future for "extras" like peace and happiness and fun. FOr now all you have to do is just be present and stay alive. I think (in my experience, anyway) it will get easier for you with time.

Sakura · 06/04/2009 06:56

Also, VERY uplifting to read Bop's last post about how your life turned around when you started to blame your parents. I am on the right track but I'm not where I want to be yet- I still have far too many down days and sometimes routine things regarding DD feel like climbing a mountain to me, whereas I'm sure for others they are simple and easy to carry out.
I have always felt a tremendous amount of pity and empathy towards my parents. I have always been conditioned to look after their needs, this means. My father is very good at making these pathetic sounds that make me feel sorry for him and my mother of course is the martyr. But when I was getting married, the only thing I have ever really asked of them was to support me in my marriage. I put up with their shit, being a poison container, let them abuse me etc and I just wanted this one thing, this one chance at happiness...and they wouldn'T let me have it. THey tried to ruin it. So thesedays when the old feeling of pity rears its head, I can understand clearly that they have NEVER EVER felt ANY pity towards me, their child. They have never experienced ANY empathy towards me. THey have never felt sorry for me in their life. They have never once thought "Poor Sakura, she must be really suffering because of such and such..." And yet all the while, there I am, feeling sorry for THEM, while they use all their power to fuck up my life.
I think that allowing myself to see that my pity for them was misplaced was quite helpful. I don't need to let them in my life because of how much I feel sorry for them, being the sad, miserable bastards that they both are.

Nabster · 06/04/2009 08:08

DH and I barely said a word to each other last night after the kids had gone to bed.

The kids are going to my PIL once we are ready until after tea tomorrow.

I need to talk to someone but are scared too as I know a lot of it is my fault and I can't take a bashing.

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HolyGuacamole · 06/04/2009 09:03

You ok nabster? OK stupid question I know

Vent if you need to.

Nabster · 06/04/2009 10:47

Just got back from dropping kids at the inlaws and getting the shopping. Have to wrpa up some Easter Eggs to send next, clean the house, fold the washing mountain, decide if I can go and meet DH for lunch and mend my broken heart.

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smithfield · 06/04/2009 19:12

Nabster- did you get to meet dh in the end. Did you talk?

Bop- the last sentence of your post;

'They hurt me, I paid the price. All those years before, I thought if they hurt me I must have deserved it/provoked it somehow; or before that even that if I was failing at life it was because I was just crap. But they hurt me and I paid the price.'

It made me cry. Really you have struck such a chord with me.
I know exactly what you mean and where you are coming from.
My childhood experience is peppered with moments that I cling to. Moments from which I could justify the term 'abusive'.
There is no 'real' framework to it. No substance.
I recognise 'the look' in your mother's face you describe. The martyrdom. The phrases.

I was even thinking the other day, and it was after reading another thread on MN about abusive mothers, that the reason I felt such a failure, the reason I was completely incapable (at the time) of achieving and doing the things other 'normal' twenty somethings were doing, was that I was too busy picking up the pieces. I was too busy paying the price.

Ally90 · 06/04/2009 19:47

Hello guys

Thought I would come here first to tell you...

DD2 arrived safely at 10.02am Saturday 4th April weighing 7lb 10oz.

And she's just woken up!

Emotionally I am in such a better/different place to how I was when DD1 was born. It makes a world of difference not to be around my family and that includes the amount of time since I was around them, 3 years. I've been able to build up a network of supportive friends, let my dh be involved with everything, tho we did have a bit of a do at the last minute, can't say all has gone swimmingly! I also hired a doula to support me during pregnancy, labour and after and she has been brilliant. There is light at the end of the tunnel for those going through such difficult times esp if you are pg (hope your doing well Sakura ).

My labour was without epidural unlike my first and it was very emotional, I don't usually cry in front of people due to childhood, but tears poured down my face the whole time. Felt very theraputic! Almost cleansing...had dh with is hand on my leg, my doula holding my hand and hugging me...all the midwifes/doctors looking after me...amazing...it was a very nurturing environment despite the pain! And I actually felt emotionally in tune the whole time, feeling things I should be feeling, last time with DD1 I just felt emotionally detatched, but this was without all the emotional hoo-haa of me asking my mother to leave me be until I was ready and with maternal emotions already in place from DD1 (who I missed the whole time, kept texting my friend asking about her and wanting to know she was okay...longest I have ever been away from her).

Anyway better go do the shopping online!

Love to all

Allyx

fartmeistergeneral · 06/04/2009 20:00

Congrats Allly!

Can I ask. All you guys on here, if you have no contact with your parents (or parent), have any of you had experience of one of them dying during this period of no contact?

Am not in contact with my mother (toxic indeed, but I know as an adult it was untreated postnatal depression - doesn't help our long dead relationship tho) but am plagued with thoughts of what I would do if she died, how I would feel. Would I go to the funeral??

smithfield · 06/04/2009 20:18

Ally- SO pleased for you. CONGRATULATIONS on new addition to the family. And congratulations on having a toxic free birth .
Really related to what you said about being (because of the circumstances) different from the first time around. I too felt more 'in the moment' and connected with the second.
Think the doula idea is brilliant, someone used one on the postnatal thread and it was a great experience for her too.
Take care of yourself and your 'new' family.xxx

oneplusone · 06/04/2009 20:29

Ally,

Congratulations! Glad all went well.

Take care of all of you,

Oneplusone, x

Nabster · 06/04/2009 20:59

ally Fabulous news! Well done you!

smithfield I wasn't going to meet Dh as there was so much I wanted to do in the house, but he rang me and wanted me to go, So I did. I got upset on the way, we talked, I explained how I felt about this ex, and others, realising I hadn't loved the others and only fell in love again (with DH) once I thought ex was married. I have realised that ex is thinking of himself and not me and I just have to get some faith in myself that I can do this, stop thinking of him, and get back to how DH and I were before I started this nonsense.

fartmeistergeneral - not quite the same but it may help. My nana was dying, no chance of recovery at all. I thought my mother didn't know I had had children and knew she talked to my nana but she had kept it quiet for years. I felt once nana died I would be free. Free as then mother wouldn't know I had kids and they would be safe, and free as I would have no contact with any family member so I could be the head of my own little family. Unfortunately nana told me mum had asked her if I had kids and she had told her yes. What could I do though? Could hardly start an argument with a dying woman who could barely speak.

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fartmeistergeneral · 06/04/2009 22:29

Nabster, why does that worry you? Do you mean that she may try to enter your life again to see your kids?

Mine does know I have kids but has never seen them, nor would I want her to. She's not interested anyway, would not be able to communicate with them. She did used to send presents for their birthdays which I used to hide - this is when they were younger, like 4 and 2 etc. Then it just stopped.

ActingNormal · 06/04/2009 23:09

Congratulations Ally! The birth sounds wonderful with you being surrounded by proper supportive people and being 'relaxed' enough to really enjoy it (as much as you can enjoy giving birth).

I feel I've had a good first day to the Easter holiday. I used to dread school holidays and feel like I just couldn't do it (have both children home all day). I didn't enjoy it, just did activities with them because I felt I had to. Lately though, I've dreaded school holidays out of habit but then been surprised how much I've enjoyed being with the children and doing things with them. It makes me realise with a bit of shock how 'ill' I must have been 'in the head' before. I hope this can be of encouragement to anyone who feels the way I used to feel - that it can get better!

I felt I had big problems with DD but I'm now finding that we like the same things and bond over those things! We do art together (our separate things but at the same table and talking about what we are doing), buy new art materials together, like lots of music the same and talk about what songs we like, talk about what clothes we like and do stupid little games and laugh together. This makes SUCH a change to how it was before. The first little practical step that seemed to start the improvement was having special days together when DS is at nursery but she is off school and going to a cafe which we call "our cafe" that the rest of the family don't go to.

DS doesn't have any particular things he is interested in but I've never found it hard to bond with him. He is very affectionate and cute and funny. We don't seem to need 'things in common' in order to bond but things in common are what seem to be helping me and DD to 'repair' what I see as the bond getting a bit damaged during a couple of years when I feel I was 'ill' because of the resurfacing of problems from my childhood.

Bonding over common interests is really helpful but the thing that is still helping me the most is making myself observe the children more - making myself stop and really look at them and take in everything about them and see WHO they are and what makes them them. This stops my brain doing the crazy thing of seeing them as people from my past and putting my anger from those people onto them.

If I can just 'cure' the anxiety now which I think is the root of what makes me get angry and snappy with the DCs and DH sometimes (well quite often) then that would be really good. If I don't feel completely in control of everything and feel I can predict with some certainty that everything is going to go smoothly I get anxious and overcontrolling and snappy. When I'm anxious it blocks most other positive feelings and I must be coming accross as cold and irritable.

I'm still finding the technique of visualising them as baby animals really helps me as well as it makes me feel that their behaviour is normal and natural. I often feel I don't know what 'normal' children should be like because I don't think me and my brother were normal because we weren't in a 'normal' home environment. I feel I'm not sure what normal looks like even though I look at what friends' children are like. I find myself with an unconscious urge to expect my children to sit still and not express themselves too much (like my parents) and when they don't (because they aren't repressed like we were) it makes me anxious (as well as all the other things that make me anxious) and makes me worry there is something horribly wrong with them. When I do the animal visualisation thing it seems to help me see that they are normal and natural and it was me and my brother who were not (allowed to be) normal and natural but unnaturally repressed.

Sakura · 07/04/2009 03:03

WOW Ally COngratulations. I'm grinning ear to ear at the thought of your lovely birth. THere is no epidural option in Japan so for me its really encouraging to hear your story. Sounds like the doula was well worth hiring. And didn't you have a c-section the first time, so this was a VBAC?
Sounds like it brought you and your DH closer too.

Nabster · 07/04/2009 07:47

fartmeistergeneral - she has tried to get access to the kids. She has sent letters to me via my MIL, has got a friend to pretend to be a solicitor and I am worried every time I go to get my kids and they don't come out straight away. I have written to her telling her I want nothing to do with her but it hasn't achieved anything as I don't know what she is doing. My MIL kept it from me for weeks that she had spoken to my mother and told her I had had the baby. For all I know they could be in touch, though DH says his father would have told him and he doesn't think they are. I am no better off since I wrote than before.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/04/2009 08:02

Many congratulations to you Ally on the birth of your daughter.

With best wishes

Attila xx

smithfield · 07/04/2009 10:28

Im so pleased to hear about you and dd. Its ounds lovely...the things you do together. I wish I'd shared moments with my mother like that. I wish she had the empathy and forethought to organise 'special' time for me apart from my other siblings.

Im not just saying this AN but I find your posts so helpful and so inspiring. You have worked so damned hard to get to where you are now and should be very proud of what you have achieved.

Sakura- I often feel quite awestruck by your posts too. The life you are carving out for yourself and your little family despite and inspite of the dark spectre of 'your old family' ..It's truly spomething to be admired.

Attila- How are things with you at the moment. Hope you are better for steering clear of the in laws.

Nabster- How are you feeling today? Are you feeling better for talking things through with DH? He sounds like a lovely man. You must be a special lady.

smithfield · 07/04/2009 10:32

oops ignore my last post please. Not sure what happened there. Here it is (fingers crossed) in full

AN- you said;

If I can just 'cure' the anxiety now which I think is the root of what makes me get angry and snappy with the DCs and DH sometimes (well quite often) then that would be really good. If I don't feel completely in control of everything and feel I can predict with some certainty that everything is going to go smoothly I get anxious and overcontrolling and snappy. When I'm anxious it blocks most other positive feelings and I must be coming accross as cold and irritable.

I feel this is exactly where I am at the moment too. A big thing for me has been identifying that I suffer from anxiety. I know there has been lots of posts on this lately, but this has been a huge revelation for me.

How could I have got through the first 40 years of my life and not have known I suffered with dreadful anxiety? Well I guess I do know the sanswer to that because it links back to Bops previous post. I was so used to absorbing everything as my own essential 'wrongness' I didnt ever think I could be 'suffering' with an illness. An illness directly caused by growing up in an environment that was a constant source of stress and anxiety as a small child and young adult.

Im so pleased to hear about you and dd. Its ounds lovely...the things you do together. I wish I'd shared moments with my mother like that. I wish she had the empathy and forethought to organise 'special' time for me apart from my other siblings.

Im not just saying this AN but I find your posts so helpful and so inspiring. You have worked so damned hard to get to where you are now and should be very proud of what you have achieved.

Sakura- I often feel quite awestruck by your posts too. The life you are carving out for yourself and your little family despite and inspite of the dark spectre of 'your old family' ..It's truly spomething to be admired.

Attila- How are things with you at the moment. Hope you are better for steering clear of the in laws.

Nabster- How are you feeling today? Are you feeling better for talking things through with DH? He sounds like a lovely man. You must be a special lady.

smithfield · 07/04/2009 11:26

I currently feel so triggered at work. I know I have posted about this before, but I thought maybe writing some random thoughts might help. So, apologies in advance if this doesn?t make much sense but I don?t often get time to write much and I?m just going to go with stream of thoughts.

My manager- I think I?m seeing him as some sort of parental figure, I say some sort of parental figure because I?m not entirely sure whether it is my father or mother I am seeing or a combination of the two.

He is very negative, which is like both my parents. I?ve noticed he never tells you what you are doing right (unless prompted). He just focuses on what you are not doing right or points out the part that is wrong. This feels like what my mother would do. I found an exercise book the other day, a very old one. In it was a letter I had written applying for work experience. I had obviously shown it to my mother, as on the opposite page she had re-written it in bold pink. I was at UNI!

It felt like nothing I ever did was good enough for her. I recognise now through interactions with my boss how much that hurt me. The other day he was going through things and kept correcting me and I felt this overwhelming need to cry. I felt an immense sadness. I then felt really bloody angry.

The fact that I could never get anything ?right?! This is probably where my perfectionism stems from and my anxiety around getting things right. If I don?t get everything right then I feel like absolute rubbish. I feel my mood spiral down and depression rears its ugly head.

I feel angry about a lot of this because I recognise now that growing up I labelled myself as ?stupid? and ?not clever enough?, I never tried at school and felt like that was my own ?stupid? fault. Now I realise that ?actually? it was the anxiety and stress of not being able to be perfect that affected me. It affected me so badly that I couldn?t cope and so I dropped out. I withdrew completely and refused to learn anything.
I would never do homework and would sit at the back of the class and daydream or talk instead of listen.
Every time I have gone back to study to try and prove to myself I can do things the anxiety of not getting things perfect is too overwhelming. I become paralysed by it.

One teacher at school described me as apathetic. What incredible insight.

There is something else too. Whenever I couldn?t do something I was punished. An example (and probably the worst one) was my father slapping me around the face and pulling my hair, because I couldn?t do my homework. So if I don?t know something I?m afraid to ask. I will struggle on because I associate asking for help with pain, anguish and stupidity. Yes and humiliation and shame.

I feel like of gone off on a tangent but the point is all these feelings are being transferred into the workplace. The distant unsporting manager (my mother?), who never praises but continually corrects me, but also because he is male I think perhaps I see my father too. Because I feel like I am constantly trying to impress him, and get his attention.

I feel so strongly at the moment that I don?t want to be at work anymore and I?m trying to work out whether I ?really? don?t want to be at work because I desperately want to be at home with my kids instead or if I have a desire to withdraw from an environment which is so reminiscent of my childhood.

I also feel triggered by a work colleague. Who am I seeing him as? Maybe a sibling. He is my competition and I must beat him but he actually wants to beat me. This is like my brother. The two of us vying for approval from the big boss man, just like my bro and me jostling for a bit of the ?conditional? love that just may be on offer if one of us could prove ourselves to be perfect. Better than the other.

So the result is constant undermining of each other to make ourselves feel better to bolster up our egos. This still happens now.

The thing is, as a child and as an adult, I was never really interested really in competing with him. I just wanted a relationship with him. I wanted a brother. I never got that though. It makes me so very sad that the only connection my brother feels with me is that I am there to make him look better. Polishing his superiority as TMSB says.

So colleague is my bro and boss is my mother and I am falling into old patterns of relating i.e. I will get them before they get me, I will make smart remark to put you down or make ?you? look foolish before me. I have to always be on my guard have my defences up. No wonder my anxiety is at an all time high.

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