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Right. I need to sort my marriage out and I need some help please.

76 replies

oregonianabroad · 21/02/2009 11:14

I must start by saying I love my dh, deeply. We have spent 7 years together building trust, intimacy, and a partnership that works.

However, we have hit a rocky patch lately. Normal, I am sure, but the thing is, I am suddenly aware, more than ever, that this is all because we are so fundamentally different (shocking, I know, but it has actually taken me this long to realise face this).

The big difference between us is: I like chaos, have bounds of energy and patience, and am not so fussed by a need for order/organisation.

He, on the other hand, prefers tidiness and a 'quiet life' (how I am beginning to dread this phrase), and has decreasing energy levels and motivation.

This causes endless frustration on my part, and anxiety on his. He told me the other day when we attempted to talk about it that he felt constantly on edge, waiting for me to have a go about something. And it is true, I freely admit, I am constantly nagging him.

An example: Ds1 (nearly 4yo) will hardly do anything with him. IMO, this is becaus he doesn't get much attention from DH when they are together (again, I am not having a go here, I think this is due to DH having less confidence with ds1 than ds2 from the start). So, before Xmas, I suggested they go to Soccatots together to spend some time together (DH v keen on football). After a few times of suggesting this, I showed him the website and we looked at the pics. he made some placatory noises and mumbled a bit, wasn't too interested, but said he'd give it a go in Jan. I wrote the phone number on our bulletin board... and there it has stayed. Mentioned it a few more times. Rang up to find out a bit more info. Passed info on to DH.... Finally rang woman, handed him the phone, and they went last weekend, both came home beaming, and they went back this weekend, so result. BUT. I know if I don't stop sorting these things, he won't ever do anything for himself (apart from houseowrk, which he helps out a lot with... because he likes a tidy, organised house -- he will even tidy toys WHILE THE KIDS ARE STILL PLAYING WITH THEM).

It is the same with his friends -- they ring to go out for a drink (we recently moved to a more remote area, so it is quite sweet that they are making the effor to stay in touch), he never rings back, but complains he has no social life.

OK, I will stop ranting and post now, but the idea is that I am going to try and have a chat with him again later (as tension levels are nearly unbearable), and I need some advice as to how to sort this all out without sounding like a harpy.

Any help very much appreciated.

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Othersideofthechannel · 26/02/2009 21:11

Oh, I was just about to bump to see how things are. Want to talk about it?

oregonianabroad · 26/02/2009 21:12

kind of.

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oregonianabroad · 26/02/2009 21:12

aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh.

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Othersideofthechannel · 26/02/2009 21:13

I hope that helped!

oregonianabroad · 26/02/2009 21:13

I think it is partly the stress that is driving a wedge between us, and partly the way we each respond to stress.

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oregonianabroad · 26/02/2009 21:14

Slightly!

The gin is really helping tho.

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QueenFee · 26/02/2009 21:14

OB - sorry nothing constructive to add but just to say I think you are married to my DH!
We used to row about exactly these things all the time but we have finally sort of met on middle ground. I say sort of because I would say I have moved more than he has

Interestingly we have also been together about the same length of time.

I just bite my tongue now in those moments and try and choose my moment to talk about things (when things are bit tense if I was to mention anything it would end up in a row)
I is important to try and remember all the things you do like about him and try and seperate the issues you disagree on from the person IYSWIM.
Chin up and I hope things get a bit better for you

oregonianabroad · 26/02/2009 21:17

Thanks, Queenfee.

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oregonianabroad · 26/02/2009 21:21

Tonight's row:

horrendous day (swimming went well, tescos pre-nap was a step too far, ended up shunting trolley to car with my hip as I dragged 2 tantruming toddlers to the car; dh came home with house in chaos, i took dog for walk to chill, came back relatively calm, listening to him moan about the stress did my nut, ds1 threw another wobbly at bedtime, while ds2 followed my every move shouting MAMA, MAMA, MAMA... etc...etc...) and then HE HAS A GO AT ME FOR GETTING A GIN AND TONIC AND HAVING 3 SQUARES OF CHOCOLATE, SAYING, 'I HAVE NEVER SEEN YOU SO WOUND UP, WHY DON'T YOU CHILL OUT?'

WHAT THE ???????

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Othersideofthechannel · 26/02/2009 21:31

What stress was he moaning about in the afternoon?

I know your DCs are a similar age gap to mine. It does get better when they are older. Mine are nearly 6 and just 4 now and they are just so much more rational than two years ago!

oregonianabroad · 26/02/2009 21:36

the stress of feeding time in the zoo, apparently.

I find it stressful too, but sighing and moaning and throwing one's ahnds in the air in desperation do nothing to add to the atmosphere!!

I hope they do chill out, otherside. Mostly today was a blip mainly brought on by missing their nap and squeezing in one too many activities in -- they have been much more chilled out just recently.

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Othersideofthechannel · 26/02/2009 21:50

The days when it goes pearshaped are so much easier to bear when you can make each other laugh about it.

Or when you decide to indulge in the chocolate or whatever else relaxes you together!

How to get there from where you are though???

oregonianabroad · 26/02/2009 21:56

I really don't know. I thought we had made some progress last week but now am not so sure. I feel so distant to him now, like we are just existing in this house but not really sharing our lives anymore, you know? Does everyone go through this???

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Othersideofthechannel · 26/02/2009 22:06

One of the things I found when the children were younger is that one or the other or both needed me or DH when they were awake. So when they were asleep and we weren't, we would use this time to be alone (at least in our heads!) and get on with stuff for ourselves or use the time usefully eg figuring out which car to buy or housework. So our fun time together always involved the children. We had to really make sure we found time to do fun stuff together.

That gets easier as the children get older because you get more and more time to yourself even when they are around.

oregonianabroad · 26/02/2009 22:13

That is very true. We keep on saying we must make more couple time for each other but it's trciky becsuse we live in the sticks and don't have any family close by. babysitters are hard to come by also.

Must sort this somehow though or we will forget why we are together anymore!

Can't believe I am actually saying these things -- always took the solidity of our relationship for granted.

am off to bed now, fingers crossed things will even out over the weekend -- he is getting some alone time and a friend is coming to visit me, so perhaps that will help.

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hotpotmama · 26/02/2009 22:23

Oregonian, having too little Ds's (still very young) can cause so much stress in my humble opinion.

I had my first two very close together and DH and I would argue (or bicker) about absolutely anything. There were lots of times when you do wonder what's wrong with your relationship but so so much of the stress is caused by exhaustion from looking after these two gorgeous amazing little people, whirlwinds from dusk til dawn.

Mine are a bit older and now have another DS and the stress element has definitely calmed down a lot. We like each other again!

Its a very hard time on your relationship when the kids are little. Hope things get better.

Othersideofthechannel · 27/02/2009 06:56

I'm sure those plans for this weekend will help. I know my DH who rates order and calm higher than I do, would really need to escape for a bit after a week looking after the children. Because of his long hours, he's not used to having sole responsability for both for long periods of time and because of his nature he finds the noise and mess more draining than I do.

As for time together, going out does help you forget about the DCs or what has to be done at home and be yourselves but it's not the only way.

I find it makes a difference if we use that time we have after the children are asleep for us. Many of the hobbies DH and I have which we can carry out at home while DCs are asleep are completely different so it is tempting to get on with those all the time but then we don't share much. Or one of us will stay in with the children so the other can be involved in something outside the home.

We both like board games so that's one way we can spend time together at home. Or just sit and listen to music and talk (but not about the kids or our relationship). I was brought up 'work now, play later' so find it hard to do things like that when I know there is a pile of ironing in the other room, but for us, it's important for me to switch off from time to time and try not to fill every second.

You said that 'sighing and moaning adds nothing to the atmosphere' but people do need to let off steam from time to time. It's really hard when you are feeling positive about your children that the other one needs to have a 'it's such hard work' rant but you do need to let him express his feelings. (Ooh, that sounds a bit 'HTTSKWL')

I never usually post so much in relationships (don't like talking about my sex life online!) but your OP struck a chord. DH and I more different than I realised when we decided to get married but most of the time it's not a problem, in fact I think it often helps us make a good partnership because we complement each other. Like when we go to the beach and one DC fall asleep in the car on the way, well DH is happiest reading his book waiting for nap to finish and I am happiest taking the other child out of the car to go and do something.

oregonianabroad · 28/02/2009 16:47

Right. Dropped very heavy hints and the friend volunteered to come and look after the kids for us next weekend. Am going to book us a hotel and some romance.

Thank you for posting, otherside and hotpotmama (and everyone else who has been listening to me moan this week). Your support is very much appreciated.

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Othersideofthechannel · 28/02/2009 17:40

Wow, you have a very good friend there!

oregonianabroad · 07/03/2009 12:50

Babysitter due in an hour, bag packed and ready to go (including 3 sexy nighties, the sum total of my 'sexy lingere drawer' -- couldn't choose so I chucked them all in), list of phone numbers and other bits & bobs taped to fridge....

wish me luck, ladies.

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oregonianabroad · 07/03/2009 12:50

Babysitter due in an hour, bag packed and ready to go (including 3 sexy nighties, the sum total of my 'sexy lingere drawer' -- couldn't choose so I chucked them all in), list of phone numbers and other bits & bobs taped to fridge....

wish me luck, ladies.

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Othersideofthechannel · 09/03/2009 22:16

How are things?

oregonianabroad · 10/03/2009 11:05

Better, thanks Otherside. Actually, quite good.

Almost had a row last night after a very stressful day, and he came over and gave me a kiss and said, 'let's not forget the feeling we had this weekend.'

bless.

we did have a very nice time. so grateful to my friend for giving us the time off.

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oregonianabroad · 10/03/2009 11:05

Better, thanks Otherside. Actually, quite good.

Almost had a row last night after a very stressful day, and he came over and gave me a kiss and said, 'let's not forget the feeling we had this weekend.'

bless.

we did have a very nice time. so grateful to my friend for giving us the time off.

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Othersideofthechannel · 10/03/2009 17:11

Glad to hear it.

She sounds one in a million.

DH has finally decided on a car so we may be actually signing something tomorrow