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I messed up my dw's birthday and it feels like I'm messing up my whole life!

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FelixCastor · 20/02/2009 10:43

Hi - I'm the dh of an ex-MNer, have namechanged to protect her identity although I don't think she posts on here anymore.

I'm incredibly unhappy at the moment, mainly because of my job which is slowly driving me mad. I work very long hours and feel like I spend a lot of time stuck in traffic getting to and from work. The people I work with are just not my type of people (think very sales-oriented, high male ego types and you're halfway there) and I struggle to identify with them at all. The desk I work at is little more than a small shelf and there's no natural daylight coming into the office. Yesterday a whole load of shelves (which had been screwed into plasterboard) came down. Luckily no-one was hurt but they very easily could have been.

Before anyone says anything about health and safety, or proper working conditions, I have to tell you that these things just don't matter to my employers. There have been a couple of times when other people have spoken up about various issues and the next day they are just gone. No notice, no warning, they just get disappeared. And yes, I'm sure all these people could take the bosses to a tribunal, but I can't run the risk of losing my job and going through a lengthy tribunal (which even if I win there is no guarantee I will get any money out of the company!) when I have a mortgage to pay and a family to support.

We have 1 ds together, who is 2, and another baby due on Monday - but who has been threatening to come for the past couple of weeks! We thought she was going to turn up on Tuesday - dw was getting very regular and painful contractions but not dilating at all. I went back to work on Wednesday when it became clear that things weren't happening.

Wednesday was also my dw's birthday. In all the kerfuffle over whether the new baby was going to come, I didn't do anything for it. My dw was very upset by this but didn't really say anything at the time. I ordered her a present off Amazon (which was stuff she'd given me a list for - so not exactly a surprise for her!) which came today but she hasn''t even opened it.

Today she's been really upset - she made the point that her work colleagues made more of an effort over her birthday than I did. They sent her a card and an NHS form (which I can only assume is an in-joke of some description!) and she made the point that it wouldn't have taken me much effort to get ds to scribble on a piece of paper and write "Happy Birthday" on the top. She was really upset and crying. I know some of that is going to be hormones - she's nearly 40 weeks pregnant, after all, but I do feel very bad that I didn't do anything. I got her some flowers yesterday but because I'd had such a bad day at work it didn't quite come out the way I'd planned and she told me she felt like I'd just chucked them at her and then been in a grump all evening (which is not entirely inaccurate).

The thing is, I know she's right and I feel like I'm failing my whole family by not being more happy when I'm at home - but I'm so miserable generally I just don't have the energy spare to be jolly happy daddy/husband. I love my family dearly and I want to be better - I just don't know how.

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FelixCastor · 21/02/2009 13:29

Hi. Back. Thanks for the replies.

The problem really isn't that I'm stressed at work and bringing it home, it's that come rain or shine, whether DS is screaming and DW has had a terrible night, I have to be out of the door at quarter to seven in the morning, then I'm not back until after seven o'clock each night, exhausted.

It's not like I just have a hard day at work, then get home and want to vent about it, it's the way the actual process of it all affects everything.

'Put up and shut up' comments aren't really helpful, as it's not really just me complaining about it that's causing the problem. It's that I'm physically not there when I'm needed, and am feeling blamed for this, and also when I am there I can't just stick a false smile on my face and 'pretend'.

You can cope for a while, or fill yourself with caffeine, but eventually the crash comes and there's not a lot you can do about it.

Where I am, there are no 'boys' for me to 'cut loose' with, and i don't have time, energy or even a place to start making new friends. I can accept this, and am not really complaining about this, but with everything together, I really am going a bit nuts.

I also didn't really forget the birthday. I knew exactly when it was, just that with everything going on, I couldn't get anything organised.

The work situation definitely needs changing, but there's absolutely nothing I can do whilst I'm actually in the job. My only hope there is to get a new one, and I am looking absolutely all the time. Every single day I'm applying for jobs. Really. And I've even been contacting companies directly, which has resulted in a couple of good leads, and one interview, but that job really wouldn't have worked out for various reasons.

I'm very good at what I do. I work in PR and am a copy writer, and have actually got products on BBC TV programmes for four weeks in a row, just this month, which is really not an easy thing to do, and is worth about ten grand a time, in terms of the amount you'd have to pay to do this on even a commercial channel. Which means in just one month I've much, much more than paid for my salary for a year. But I'm not getting any recognition for this, or even much of a thank you, despite it leading to enquiries flooding in. I should be getting my arm bitten off by potential employers, based on the results I get, but for some reason I'm not. Which is kinda disheartening.

It's just a case of keeping going, ploughing through it all, and hoping that the little tic in the corner of my left eye that I now keep getting doesn't get noticed by anyone else, or turn into a really embarrassing full on facial spasm, and then make my brain shut down properly one day, or anything like that.

As for running a bookshop, I know I could do it and make it work. Because you don't just sit in a bookshop all day. hoping that customers come in. You specialise in a small variety of niche areas. You make it a destination, that people with interests in these areas go to, as well as offering a good range of other material. You continually market yourself in the specialist-interest press, blogs and websites that cater to these readerships. You hold events with speakers giving talks. You invite local authors. You set up a writing group. And gaming groups - from Dungeons and Dragacts to Bridge for biddies. You exhibit art by local artists and let them sell it there, for a small commission. It's not just a bookshop, it's a place for the book-loving community, and the niche-interest communities you're catering for, and artists. You even have a bloody coffee machine for them to use, which adds to the profits, but is much cheaper than Starbucks, and makes your shop a more pleasant alternative.

That's how to run a bookshop. But anyway... I don't have the capital for it, so it's something for the future, not for now.

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FelixCastor · 21/02/2009 13:36

Oh, and as for paternity leave, I'm having to take this as holiday, as I can't afford to take stat paternity leave, as this won't pay the bills. I'm down to 'not very much' time for this, due to having to take time off to move house and to have an operation. I haven't actually had time off for an actual holiday or proper rest for a couple of years now.

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LucyEllensmummy · 21/02/2009 16:44

You are going to burn yourself out - Go to the doctors on Monday and get signed off sick. Otherwise you are going to meltdown and both you and your wife don't need this. Your job sounds high pressure and that and a new baby and sleep deprivation its not good. Don't be proud, please go to the doctors.

Don't listen to the put up and shut up brigade - If you were a woman you would be told you are a poor thing and can't your DH be more supportive. Ive been depressed, i know what its like - you are doing what you can, but i think you need to give yourself a bit of a break - even if you pretend you have the bloody flu and take some time out with your wife before the new arrival comes.

Be kind to yourself
xx

FelixCastor · 21/02/2009 18:51

Can't get signed off sick. Don't get sick pay from work and can't afford the bills on stat sick pay. Not an option for me to get signed off, or even really to be sick.

It really is put up and shut up, it seems.

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eandh · 21/02/2009 19:05

I think you and dw need to talk and communicate, I can remember being heavily pg with dd2 and dd1 was 2.1 and dh coming home maoning about work when tbh I couldnt have cared less, I wanted someone to help me with things like picking up toys or washing up dinner things so I could have a bath etc instead he ate dinner laid on the sofa and nodded off most nights, when dd2 arrived I did almost everything for her and 85% of the things for dd1 and it nearly wrecked our marriage as I couldnt see the point of us being together as I was lamost a single parent [except having to deal with him on top] there were other problems in our marriage as well but he's lack of hel and the self indulgence in how he felt was a massive factor, its taken 4.5 years [dd1 age]for things to have improved and this year we seem to have refallen back in love as he realised it was the last chance, he hels around teh house, he is affectionate, he asks about me not just the everyday stuff etc but it has taken lots of talking and communicating abd tbh I would have been majorly pissed off if he hadnt got me a birthday card from the dd's [even if it was from corner shop or he sat and made one with them] birthdays are once a year events you knew it was coming but hadnt thought about it which is probably what annoyed her so much.

If you have the money get a takeaway turn the tv off, talk to each other work out how you can support each other[esecially with baby no 2 about to arrive] and stick to it

Supercherry · 21/02/2009 21:44

No-one is saying put up and shut up- obviously you have some problems that need fixing in your career that are getting you down. It's just that if your wife is due on Monday, now is not the best time really is it? How has your day been today? Any better?

Oh and just for the record I don't think you actually sound depressed- you seem too proactive and on the go for that (just my opinion of course). You just sound fed up with the daily grind. You know how shattered you are after your 12hr day at work? Well your partner is equally shattered I should imagine, looking after your LO all day and pregnant along with the sleepless nights etc

Are you excited about the new arrival? Can't you tey and focus on that a bit more to take your mind off work?

I think your book shop idea sounds fab too- maybe that's something to look forward to. What does your partner think about that?

warthog · 21/02/2009 22:04

well ok, you obviously have done a lot of work researching your bookshop idea. sounds fantastic, and i hope that one day you get to try it out.

try looking for opportunities rather than problems. keep plugging away at the interviews. you only need to get ONE job.

and a very good saying:

look after the important things, not just the urgent things. your wife's birthday was important. the birth is even more important. make sure you don't let urgent things get in the way.

LucyEllensmummy · 21/02/2009 22:33

I love the thought of a bookshop where you can read and have coffee. It has to be good coffee mind. I am not really enamoured of the set up they have in waterstones where they have a coffee shop but its cramped and packed, and expensive and not really set up for reading. Id rather have a place with fewer seats but comfy little cubby holes where you can curl up and read your new purchase with a coffee and a caramel slice

Helen31 · 21/02/2009 22:43

Umm, is it me, or do you seem to have an explanation/answer for everything?

While I don't think this is really about the birthday present - you honestly didn't have time to order something off Amazon which your DW had specified so that it actually arrived in time for her birthday?! Sorry, but you just lost a lot of sympathy from me.

But the way you tell it you are going above and beyond the requirements of the job. If this is indeed the case, could you afford to ease off a little and save some of your energy for at home?

Remember, almost whatever job you have, work will never love you back, but your DW and DCs will if you put in the effort. Do you have any rainy day money that you could use to tide you over a couple of weeks paternity leave? Because it sounds like it's pouring to me...

I'm not much of a business person, but I still don't think your bookshop plan is realistic as a physical shop - an online one maybe. And as others have observed, you wouldn't need the same capital outlay for that.

catMandu · 21/02/2009 22:47

Felix, I feel for you, you sound like you're in a similar position to my dh a couple of years ago - eventaully he walked out, no job to go to - nothing, just walked. It worked out for us and he needed to do it, but it's not a solution I'd recommend, especially in today's market.

I also feel for your dw, I pride myself on being supportive but I go to the point where I just didn't want to hear about it any more. It was very very draining.

Can your work situation be solved in any way? could you write down all your recent acomplishments and future goals and talk to management?

How much time are you taking off?

I'd talk to your dw, but not so much about the detail of what you're feeling, but tell her how much you love her and how the two of you are going to work together to get life going well. She's not in a position to take on anyone elses problems and tbh nor are you - so you have a choice, work together and pool emotional resources or.... the opposite.

Oh and remember, it will not always be like this, it's a blip that you will get through.

nkf · 21/02/2009 22:54

I'd suggest a) seeing a doctor, b) making it up to your wife and c) giving up the idea of a bookshop.

I'm sorry you are all having such a bad time. I hope it gets better.

choosyfloosy · 21/02/2009 22:58

Felix, I'm so for you - you sound so stressed and depressed.

I'm pretty amazed at some of the comments on here. you sound very near the end of your tether - and you have a new baby coming. I'm quite worried about that.

I'm also very amazed at the post from DutchOma (sorry it's possible you've already cleared up whether this poster actually is connected to you in some way? I couldn't actually bear to go on reading absolutely all the posts). Don't talk about it, don't do anything about it, you just have to keep on working? This is lousy advice! I'm sure you and your dw are both tearing your hair out and who can blame you. If you do have sympathetic family anywhere, are they parachuting in for the birth? Are they ponying up with some substantial time and support?

TBH the birthday sounds so minor in all of this, I well understand how what happened, happened. I do think your work situation is stratospherically more important tbh, although i am bad at birthdays myself so perhaps prejudiced. My God, you have got to get out of there - people go on in this site about toxic parents, but toxic employers? Well, at least in theory you can get away from them. Not, I'm afraid, probably to an independent bookshop just at the moment though.

You need some people to talk to, right enough. Does your health visitor run a dad's group?

choosyfloosy · 21/02/2009 23:02

OH, I remember what I was going to write. Nothing, in all my 5 years of being a parent, has made me feel worse than regularly losing my evening because I fell asleep putting ds to bed. It happened almost every night for 5 months and it was vile beyond belief. Can you get your dw to agree that your elder child's bedtime remains your responsibility while she is feeding the new one, and that you are going to have to set some boundaries? It may involve some screaming (you, your dw, your dc??) but it sounds like you are trying to run a full-throttle life on about 10cc of petrol fumes.

Sorry for the sexist metaphor.

moondog · 21/02/2009 23:10

Life sounds very stressful.
I still don;t see why you couldn't have sorted out a birthday card and a present/special gesture though.
One does not preclude the other.

I bulk buy blank cards and envelopes and get my kids to make.write/draw cards for whatever occasion arises. People appreciate it a great deal too.

Here

While you are at it, stock up on some nice wrapping paper

choosyfloosy · 21/02/2009 23:13

TBH if my partner gave me a whole load of grief about his/her birthday when all this stuff was going on, I would ask them where their priorities were.

Bigpants1 · 22/02/2009 00:11

to FelixCastor,you sound like a very caring husband, who is totally out of his depth at the moment.How many womens other halves, would think and take the time to put down their feelings and thoughts like you have? Agree with other posts about opening up to your wife, but NOT now-you need to focus on the imminent arrival of baby num 2. I also think you do sound very depressed and anxious-guess what-its not just women that get depressed.Yes, you do sound productive, but in a chasing-my -tail,barely treading water kind of way. Your thoughts are racing, and if you look back through your posts, youll see you say your head is full-you cant think straight and also, you feel hopelessness at the situation-the futility of it.I know lots of people have to commute, but it would drive me insane to have to do that every day.Please go see your GP-ASAP.It will do you good to talk and maybe you need some AD,S. They wont change your situation, maybe just take the edge off it, and with your head clearer and feeling calmer, then in turn, you will be able to see your situation clearer and what your options are. This is really important with baby coming,as this will bring its own stresses and more tiredness.Yes, you CAN afford to be signed off for a while and you will survive on reduced pay for a while. If you keep going, and nothing changes, you could end up having a breakdown-then you will be totally unable to work and not be able to care for your family financiallyor emotionally-you wont even be able to look after yourself.How will your wife feel then? I know, if it was my hubby, id rather be poor and have him well, than the other way round.Lastly, and a thought for o good few months down the line, if you are a good copy-writer, and it sounds like you are- could you go freelance-you would certainly know how to advertise yourself and not have to commute anymore.

FelixCastor · 22/02/2009 07:55

"Yes, you CAN afford to be signed off for a while and you will survive on reduced pay for a while."

No, I really can't. It's not just a case of the money anyway, it's that in the culture of the place where I work, it's just not done, and I'd still be getting emailed and phoned about things anyway. Even when people are on holiday, or at weekends, they're still expected to be in touch and potentially working.

The only solution, really, is to put up and shut up, and try as hard as I can to get a new job.

I'm just really terrified at the thought that after only a few days of the new baby being here, I'm going to have to go back to the 11/12 hour days and my wife is going to be looking after our two year old and the newborn, and everyone is going to be screaming and I'll have to put on my best workday face and walk out of the door on them, shutting it in their faces behind me, in order to keep the roof over their heads and keep them fed.

It's okay. Whilst I appreciate the replies on this thread, there's really nothing more to say. Just that my wife has been hassling me to 'talk to someone', in the same way that she used to participate in Mumsnet, and found it helpful, but whilst I appreciate the support, it's just reaffirmed what I already knew - that I don't have much in the way of real life support, sympathy or friends, and I've just got to keep turning out day after day, and just store it all up inside instead of letting it show.

That's it really. The end. Thanks though.

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WynkenBlynkenandNod · 22/02/2009 08:22

It's not the end, it is the now and it isn't the future. You are in the sameposition my DH was in, he did the same hours as you, got home and worked at the kitchen table until midnight , went to bed and started all over again. Weekends he would usually end up working and there was no let up. I was left dealing with DD with SN that meant lots of hospital trips, a newborn baby, a mother who needed her hip doing then we had two parents with cancer diagnoses chucked into the mix as well.

DH did end up being signed off as he became absolutely exhausted. He then got another job and nearly 3 years down the line that time in our lives seems like a distant nightmare.

The bookshop idea is a great one but for the future when the economy is better, your dream to hang on to. For now you need to find another job where you are treated much better to get out of you current situation. Hang in there, things will improve, even though at the moment it doesn't seem like it.

Supercherry · 22/02/2009 09:32

Felixcastor, as you're only having a few days paternity leave, is there anyone else who can help your wife in the first few weeks? My DP could only take 3 days off when I had my DS because he was self emlployed- my mum had 4 days off to help out- it was a godsend.

My DP too works long hrs, he leaves the house at 6.30am and returns at 7pm, his employers are shite also- refusing to pay holiday pay etc, but he agrees that there is no harder job than raising children. I'm not trying to dismiss your feelings but it seems that you are a little too wrapped up in them when your wife is about to give birth!!!!!

vezzie · 22/02/2009 11:01

you are determined not to change anything - you are shutting down all suggestions.

Could you be depressed, in which case medical help would be of benefit? - no, certainly not, won't countenance it.

Could it be you could maybe have managed a small birthday gesture for your wife, despite all the stresses of those days (maybe by thinking ahead), and is there something to be learnt from that? - no, certainly not, it was impossible.

Bookshop (your own idea) - you say it's impossible because no capital.

Alternative self-employed idea - perhaps a different kind of book selling operation that you could ease into gradually with less outlay upfront, or doing what you do already and are excellent at but working for yourself away from your horrible employers - you aren't responding to these suggestions at all and appear to have dismissed them (perhaps not, you may be privately thinking about these ideas but your last post suggests not).

This is about much more than your job, but as you have said a bit more about that than about some other things there is more to work with there. Here is an exzmple:

"I should be getting my arm bitten off by potential employers, based on the results I get, but for some reason I'm not."

For some reason. What could it be?

a. crap market - no one is recruiting (anyone at all, even your competitors)
b. no one knows it is you getting all those results
c. they do know, but something else about you puts them off

If you think there may be at least an element of either b or c , this is great news as these are things you can change. But change hurts and is uncomfortable, and so is the honest introspection and self analysis that can drive change.

If you are not emotionally / psychologically robust enough to deal with this now, get medical help (as suggested above). If you are, do it.

Do you despise "schmoozers"?

purits · 22/02/2009 11:34

Felix: every helpful suggestion is batted away with a dispairing 'woe is me'. For example, on the one hand you say you are unappreciated by work but on the other hand you say that you are indispensible at holiday time. Also you moan about the amount of time that you spend on commuting but then let slip that you have recently moved house (so you created this situation!).
Have you read about passive aggresive behaviour?

Stop complaining about other people ruining your life. It's your life so make sure that you live it and stop blaming others for your situation.

LucyEllensmummy · 22/02/2009 11:47

"Felix: every helpful suggestion is batted away with a dispairing 'woe is me'." Thats what depression does - ive got that T shirt -

Felix - PLEASE go to your doctors, you say you can't have time off work, well at this rate, if you dont do something you will have a LONG time off work because you will have suffered a nervous breakdown. Go to the doctors TOMORROW and get some bloody medication - stop being so manlike about it!

I suggest you visit moodgym.org google it, i cant remember the link and do the questionaire, then see how you feel about getting some help - it has lots of advice, your behaviour has become a vicious circle - we are trying to help but ultimately, it has to come from you.l

warthog · 22/02/2009 15:35

well i don't agree with put up and shut up. i think you should tell your wife how things are at work, and also tell her about the jobs you're looking at. lack of communication is a recipe for disaster.

you're doing what you can so now i think you should work on compartmentalizing. chat to her over dinner about it, but then move on. talk about other things too. take pleasure in the small things.

they researched what you can do to help stop depression and came up with 5 things you can do every day:

  1. exersize - take the stairs instead of the lift, even if it's just once a day walk to the station. walk to the sandwich shop on the corner for lunch.
  1. say hello to your neighbour as you walk past or talk to someone within your immediate community. maybe just a pleasant observation shared with the guy who sells you your newspaper
  1. admire something in your environment - juxtaposition of colour, a lovely sunset
  1. random act of kindness
  1. learn something new every day. you can get those new-word-a-day calendars, crossword. just exersize your brain.

these take hardly any time at all, but do help make life a little more pleasant.

brettgirl2 · 22/02/2009 19:49

Put up and shut up is crazy advice. Omg - I would personally rather be homeless than my husband breakdown. I've been in an awful work situation myself and it was horrendous.

Slambang · 22/02/2009 22:35

Felix - you probably HAVE DEPRESSION.

Your dw needs you to be strong for her at the moment so please GO TO THE DOCTOR.

My dh has struggled for years with undiagnosed depression, a very stressful work situation and a pretty up and down situation with me at home. In december dh finally went to the doctor after a massive row when I gave him an ultimatum (and booked the appointment) and was prescribed mild ads. He has always been very anti drugs and was adamant that he would not accept any but the excellent GP really listened to him and he agreed to try them. It has changed our lives. His job is still ridiculous, I am still a b*tch when I have PMT but he is coping with it so much better and even enjoying life. Our marriage has been turned around (in the bedroom too)and the kids seem to enjoy spending time with him more ever than before.

It's worth a try, isn't it?

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