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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

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Right, listen up everybody.

867 replies

RealityIsMyOnlyValentine · 04/02/2009 08:00

I shall say this only once.

Actually, no I won't, I will keep repeating it until the message gets through.

Every person deserves to have a relationship where they are treated with respect, love and equality.

There is never an excuse for verbal, physical or financial abuse.

If you partner treats you like shit, it is their fault. It is not because of something you have done.

You can't change an abusive man by being 'better' or sticking by him where others haven't, or by changing yourself.

Most people have happy relationships, where disagreements happen and are resolved without resorting to shouting, name calling or violence or screwing someone else.

Most people's partners are happy for them to pursue their own friendships and interests, work and education, have access to money, make decisions.

Most people in a relationship stay faithful. They don't have affairs or cyber-sex or obsessively wank over porn day and night.

Don't be fooled into thinking that dysfunctional relationships are the norm. There are many of them on here, but then people don't tend to ask for advice on healthy relationships, so we hear less about them.

Relationships are not supposed to be hard work, that is a big fat myth. Yes, you should work at your relationship but that is not the same thing at all.

Nobody should live their life in fear of angering their partner, or skirting round issues that might upset him. Or put up with cheating and lying for fear of rocking the boat.

Nobody should 'stay together for the children', or because of your marriage vows. If your husband treats you badly, he has broken the vows. Children are much much happier being brought up by parents who live apart than in an atmosphere of fear and loathing.

Just because you've escaped a level 10 bastard, doesn't mean you should settle for the level 8 one that comes along. The only acceptable level of abuse is none.

Just because all your friends are in bad relationships, doesn't mean that you have to be.

I really want to debunk the myth that all men are bastards. They simply aren't. If you feel that all the men you meet are, it's because you are unconsciously sending out vibes to these men. They can spot a target a mile off.

Be on your own. It is much easier than sticking by a tosser. If you have been in more than one abusive relationship, seek some counselling, you may be co-dependant, or you may be modelling relationships on a warped template, perhaps from childhood.

If he abuses you, he is not a good father. Good fathers don't treat the mother of their children with disrespect.

It doesn't matter how much he says sorry and makes it up to you, if he continues to abuse you those apologies are worthless.

Don't be fooled into thinking the abuse isn't 'bad enough to leave'. If you are treated in any way less than cherished, loved and respected, it is bad enough to leave.

There is never a reason to stay with an abusive man. He won't kill himself if you leave him, he won't take your children, and yes, everybody will believe you.

I probably have loads more to say on the subject but I will leave it there for now.

Much love to everybody.

OP posts:
SignOnTheWindow · 17/02/2017 11:39

I would like to see classes in schools that teach teens about healthy, loving, equal relationships.

We have this in our school. Here are some of the resources we use in case some of you are interested:
www.disrespectnobody.co.uk/
Activities to go with the Disrespect Nobody site
www.talkaboutstuff.org.uk

bullyhfc · 18/02/2017 01:45

I have just realised I have been mentally abused by a woman, thank god I got out 3 weeks ago, without actually realising this fact until tonight, so its not just one way girls!

Superreader123 · 18/02/2017 09:35

I'm new on here but I feel it is my last resort, I can't afford a counsellor and I need someone elses thoughts. I'm very unhappy at the moment. I'm a man, I've got children and a wife. I've given up work and my friends as my wife goes through periods of being very ill. I was ok with this for the first years of our marriage but I have had to take up part time work partly due to finances and partly because I have to do something to keep me sane, I hate sitting around doing nothing. But when I go out to work my wife calls me selfish or says I don't care, calls me names and is generally verbally abusive, if I say anything back, I'm being "a bully and being selfish", I'm at my wits end and I don't know what to do.

HelenDenver · 18/02/2017 09:39

Super, you'd be better starting a new thread in relationships than adding to this long standing one.

PinkGlitter17 · 21/02/2017 23:57

Hear, hear! This issue has come up for me again, it is such a good grounding thing to read posts like this and get back on the right track.

Chirrup5 · 02/03/2017 22:57

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chatnanny · 07/03/2017 08:08

I know RTFT and I will, in full, later. I just wanted to add that some women are abusive and controlling too. One of my DC is in a controlling and possibly EA with a woman. We are ready to pick up the pieces which is all we can do at this stage as a wall comes up if we raise it.

Davidh67 · 17/03/2017 09:49

Point truly taken
Thanks x

Busterboy123 · 21/03/2017 12:38

I have never done anything like this before, but here goes. My husband told me last week that after 33 years of marriage he no longer loves me and wants the marriage to end. I can't describe how I felt, I couldn't eat sleep or function properly. He didn't think it through properly and he is still living at home until he can find somewhere to stay, which I find cruel. I feel so sad and lonely and can't find any reason to carry on. We had already planned our holidays this year, these had to be cancelled and refunded. I cry all the time and envisage a lonely existence into my old age. I don't have any close friends or family to turn too. I do have a son who doesn't live at home who has given my support but I don't what to burden him as he has his own life. Has anyone been through this after a long marriage and can offer some advice . thank You for reading this.

Awholenewstart · 27/03/2017 19:21

I just read the opening message.
It was exactly what I needed to hear. Thanks Mumsnet.
I managed to get my abusive ex to leave; it's been a tough year as he got worse then better then worse etc. Roller coaster. I am so much better without him, but each time he starts a new relationship or involves me in something I get so upset and jealous and all manner of ridiculous emotions. I don't know why. I guess I just desperately hoped he would change and each new girl he picks up makes me realise it will never happen.
I am going to read that post every morning to give me strength and remember how much better the present is than the past....

Juliebrown123 · 02/04/2017 20:28

My fiancé went to a ball last night with some couples he knows - I think a lot of colleagues from his younger work / partying days were also there.
I couldn't go as I had my 2 girls at my house.
He called me around 6.30pm to say he'd driven to the hotel and he'd be driving home, to a empty house.
A little later he said he had drunk wine so will order a taxi for 11pm.
At 12.10am he texted to say 'crap disco'.
Next at 1am a text saying 'dancing, feet hurting - night sweets xxx'
Finally with no further word at 2.30am I sent 'hope you got home safely'
No more messages or contact until 8.30am - which was a text 'yep,

  • I love you xxx'.
Spoke in the afternoon and no mention of last night, so I didn't ask... He rarely goes out without me and is very sociable. He knows that my ex husband had several affairs and that I have emotional scars from the marriage. I just have a bad feeling about this one girls... Any thoughts???
Whathappensinvegas · 21/04/2017 13:29

I have to remind myself of this...

Sparkleback2017 · 22/04/2017 20:38

All of this is right except not every relationship is as clear cut.

HappydaysArehere · 23/04/2017 09:05

Well done.

rainbowthunder · 27/04/2017 10:02

The initial post is spot on. I hope people take note.

LittleMissCrazyMama · 04/05/2017 03:35

Thank you a million times over for this.

gregoriesgirl · 04/05/2017 03:43

I read this every now and then, usually when I find myself contemplating the idea of a new relationship - it's never going to be something that I allow to happen.

TheOtherPointofView · 15/05/2017 18:11

Some people need a lot of time out. And unfortunately I do not have enough patience or time in my life for too many timeouts. I make my mistakes.

I try to be the person that I want to spend my time with. Then life is good and the rest doesnt matter.

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Ascot37 · 20/05/2017 21:28

Brilliant, well said!

Missgemmax · 23/05/2017 21:55

Love this very much I'm glad I read it

joolspoon · 06/06/2017 22:45

Thank you Flowers

Mouseface · 13/06/2017 15:37

Hi, I'm Mouse

I've read this thread so many times since it was first posted, and it never gets 'old' as such.

As a SURVIVOR of a very violent, abusive in all forms, relationship, I can honestly say that what Reality says is 100% true for me.

I got out. I was 'lucky' or so some of my friends who have never witnessed domestic abuse, violence, manipulation etc have said.... I don't blame them for seeing what happened to me like that, why should I?

I guess what I'm trying to say is that YOU OWN YOUR BODY, YOUR MIND AND YOUR SOUL.

If you are in an abusive relationship, you STILL have so much of yourself left to give......

You may feel broken, damaged, worthless etc now, but there is support for you once you break free. I hope with all of my heart that you do get out and soon.

I left with the clothes on my back.... a couple of plastic bags of my daughter's things and I drove like a women possessed to a women's refuge and cried for days, wondering if I should go back, if I went back things could get better, he'd get better........

Thank God I didn't. I am lucky because I have a strong, beautiful daughter, a gorgeous little boy and an a husband who loves me so much his heart could burst. I got a happy ending and I hope any of you reading this who are trapped in a shiitty place right now will get one too.

I had to remember who I was before I found the strength to run out of that door.

I saw him, a few years later in a supermarket. At first I froze and thought I was going to vomit. Then I straightened myself up and walked right passed him. He stopped me and asked how I was, how my daughter was....

My reply?

Better. And I walked right on past him to the checkouts. That was the last that I saw of him. I'll never have to go through that again, only when I have flashbacks...... and 12 years on, I'm starting a counselling programme, because now I feel ready to unravel the ball of shit in my head. I feel ready to release him.

I hope what I've written has made sense to some of you, I don't know why I posted now but maybe because I'm starting to let go, I felt compelled to remind myself of who I AM.

Take care out there.

Mouse xxx

user1498060624 · 21/06/2017 17:48

I so much needed to hear this. I have been on a mental and physical abuse relationship for 3 years and I thought I could live with it until I realised his parents were racists and hated me more than anything else. I feel so lost right now. My world has collapsed.

KJPxx · 02/07/2017 22:16

Why is this post so targeted at Men abusing Women. Women are guilty too.