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Right, listen up everybody.

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RealityIsMyOnlyValentine · 04/02/2009 08:00

I shall say this only once.

Actually, no I won't, I will keep repeating it until the message gets through.

Every person deserves to have a relationship where they are treated with respect, love and equality.

There is never an excuse for verbal, physical or financial abuse.

If you partner treats you like shit, it is their fault. It is not because of something you have done.

You can't change an abusive man by being 'better' or sticking by him where others haven't, or by changing yourself.

Most people have happy relationships, where disagreements happen and are resolved without resorting to shouting, name calling or violence or screwing someone else.

Most people's partners are happy for them to pursue their own friendships and interests, work and education, have access to money, make decisions.

Most people in a relationship stay faithful. They don't have affairs or cyber-sex or obsessively wank over porn day and night.

Don't be fooled into thinking that dysfunctional relationships are the norm. There are many of them on here, but then people don't tend to ask for advice on healthy relationships, so we hear less about them.

Relationships are not supposed to be hard work, that is a big fat myth. Yes, you should work at your relationship but that is not the same thing at all.

Nobody should live their life in fear of angering their partner, or skirting round issues that might upset him. Or put up with cheating and lying for fear of rocking the boat.

Nobody should 'stay together for the children', or because of your marriage vows. If your husband treats you badly, he has broken the vows. Children are much much happier being brought up by parents who live apart than in an atmosphere of fear and loathing.

Just because you've escaped a level 10 bastard, doesn't mean you should settle for the level 8 one that comes along. The only acceptable level of abuse is none.

Just because all your friends are in bad relationships, doesn't mean that you have to be.

I really want to debunk the myth that all men are bastards. They simply aren't. If you feel that all the men you meet are, it's because you are unconsciously sending out vibes to these men. They can spot a target a mile off.

Be on your own. It is much easier than sticking by a tosser. If you have been in more than one abusive relationship, seek some counselling, you may be co-dependant, or you may be modelling relationships on a warped template, perhaps from childhood.

If he abuses you, he is not a good father. Good fathers don't treat the mother of their children with disrespect.

It doesn't matter how much he says sorry and makes it up to you, if he continues to abuse you those apologies are worthless.

Don't be fooled into thinking the abuse isn't 'bad enough to leave'. If you are treated in any way less than cherished, loved and respected, it is bad enough to leave.

There is never a reason to stay with an abusive man. He won't kill himself if you leave him, he won't take your children, and yes, everybody will believe you.

I probably have loads more to say on the subject but I will leave it there for now.

Much love to everybody.

OP posts:
Timetosay58 · 28/01/2016 14:32

Friends you will make again.Real friends.Your best friend has been yourself,getting out of this relationship.Well done you.x

1DAD2KIDS · 07/02/2016 11:35

Thanks you are are right and definatly words to remember when considering any new relationship. Although in my case the shoes was on the other foot because it was ex wife who was like this. But it is mumsnet and I sure this applies equally for men as women. Although despite all these great words it still hard to deprogram yourself from an abusive ex.

AnnaFulhamMum · 20/02/2016 21:27

I really think there should be teaching in schools about the signs of abuse and signposting to support agencies. This is far too common and sadly, far too insidious.

CharlotteB74 · 08/03/2016 15:38

Brilliant message - I hope that even 1 person who reads it realises they can make a change to THEIR LIFE and does something positive. Star

Typist1967 · 08/03/2016 22:48

Love this thread.
My life is pretty hard and for some reason am nervous about sharing. Just know there is a better way to live than stuck as one half of a miserable pair. Whether you leave or whether they leave you - it's better. Believe me, it doesn't make life easier, but it makes you stronger.
Happy Women's Day.
Be strong. Believe in you.

amysmummy12345 · 08/03/2016 22:53

Wow! Just wow! Logged on after hearing a speech on how husband resents our 26 week old child growing inside me and this thread has made me realise its not me and I will now be LTB

freespirit66 · 15/03/2016 22:19

Hello .. I just signed up today and this is the first thing I've read. It is so true and very poignant as I want a divorce. My husband is horrible and I so want to get out of this relationship but don't know how. We have been together for 25 years, have 4 grown children and the thought of spending the rest of my life with him is unbearable. The house is in his name and the mortgage is paid up. The last time I asked for a divorce (about 3 years ago) he re-mortgaged the house so that I would be unable to access what is rightfully mine. I am trapped. I earn decent enough money but never have any left at the end of the month (2 daughters at uni to pay for etc). I have left him twice; once for a year and the second time for 2 years. Both times I had to return because I could not afford rent/bills etc. I have put up with his verbal abuse, miserable demeanor and selfish ways for too long. I just wish someone would tell me what to do

Wildwillow · 24/03/2016 13:45

Wow... I divorced a repellent man in 2012 after 20 years of marriage and 4 children. I had to move in with my parents as i was made to sell the house ( that he had remortgaged twice over) . I lived in a shed (it was a nice shed but freezing cold!!) in my parents garden, but at least kids had rooms in the house.

Everything that has been said in previous posts is true. You blame yourself for not being good enough. You think you just have to put up with it. Etc Etc.

Fast forward 4 years and I managed to find a job that paid me enough to get a mortgage on a house for me and my kids. I moved to a new area and left all friends / enemies / family / dirty laundry behind me. Its not easy. I have occasional meltdowns about how i will manage financially in the future. I have moments of loneliness and isolation. But however desperate the situation is I rejoice in the fact that I do not belong to this person anymore and am no longer subject to his vicious and vile tongue and temper. He used to scare the life out of me and stupidly that was probably part of the attraction. Yes I was young and foolish and had a very strong minded ( and occasionally scary ) father. Is this why I was attracted to him?? Research would seem to indicate it is a leading factor.

However my point is to any women (or men) out there suffering in silence is that you DO have a choice and you CAN leave if you want to. You are not chained in a cellar. You are not living in a country where women have no rights. You are not stuck living on the side of rubbish tip in a third world country. This person may have run down your self confidence to a point of non-existence but remember the person that you were before all this shit happened. That person is still there however buried underneath layers of crap. If I can do it so can you. Get help, Get support, ignore unhelpful friends who dont want anything to rock their perfect little worlds. You are NOT alone. Love and hugs to all xx

Wildwillow · 24/03/2016 13:50

And I totally agree with Anna Fulham... an understanding of healthy relationships should be taught in schools - I was very pleased to see an 'advert' during one of the daft teen programmes that my daughter was watching about this very issue - 'Respect Everybody' - I think thats what the message was. I have also seen posters in the girls toilets at the cinema etc saying that it is unacceptable for a boyfriend to tell you what to wear - who to associate with - how to behave.

Passive acceptance of unacceptable male behaviour has been fed down the chain to girls for way too long. BTW I am very fond of men - no man hater!! Just need to find a good one!!!

Littlemissflower · 27/03/2016 11:18

This is a grest post, think I need to read it daily!
Left stbxh recently after many years of verbal abuse. It took every bit of stength to go through with it and was the hardest thing I have ever done. Most days I know it was the right thing and life is so much better, but soemtimes the loneliness overcomes me and I find myself remembering the good times. On top of this he is being Mr Charming but I am determined not to cave in this time. This thread really helps me focus. Thanks everyone. Flowers

Mumtotwo22 · 31/03/2016 22:14

"Just because you've escaped a level 10 bastard, doesn't mean you should settle for the level 8 one that comes along. The only acceptable level of abuse is none."

That's my situation in a bloody nutshell. This really resonates with me big time.

My ex broke my nose and I live every day looking in the mirror trying to contour it to how it once was, hating the way I look. My now partner makes me feel like crap half the time and on egg shells.

MEVA · 07/04/2016 00:12

Love this, thank you Flowers

DoreenLethal · 16/04/2016 17:07

Hasn't been bumped in 9 days so - bump.

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aefondkisses · 26/04/2016 15:34

Thanks you thank you thank you for these precious wise words

frieda909 · 03/05/2016 23:53

I can't tell you how much I needed to read this. Thank you.

bluemaid · 10/05/2016 17:37

This looks right but in reality what do you, how do you get out when there's nowhere to go and no-one to help?
My husband called me a f*ing creep this morning, so I'm again thinking about leaving. Rents for one-bed flats (to take our son) being £1000 upwards and my pay being £0 at the moment that doesn't quite work though...

YourHandInMyHand · 15/05/2016 17:26

bluemaid

I started selling bits and bobs on ebay (old clothes, toys, etc) and leaving the money in my paypal account. I saved tiny bits here and there as I could.

I got in touch with my local women's aid and despite my partner "only" being emotionally abusive and controlling they offered me and my son a refuge space immediately. He ticked every box on the abuser list except the physical ones and the lady told me he was just as dangerous and damaging to me and my son as a man who hit me. I cried as I knew she was right.

I also emailed every single accredited landlord in the area and explained I would be in receipt of housing benefit for a short time but that I was a good reliable tenant who would be back in work in the near future and would keep the house in good order. This helped me find a house so I didn't need the refuge space - however I would have gone to them rather than stay in the house I was in with him.

There are ways to leave. Not always easy but it IS possible. I left while he was at work with clothes and toys and my life has been onwards and upwards ever since.

Melody2Rhythem · 15/05/2016 18:52

Something you have missed is when a women has been subject to such absue you don't realise that they don't have the courage and the mental stability to walk out. We need to have support groups to educate such women as they have stayed the way they are because of their weakness to do that. Please don't be offended and shoot this mail but try to walk in their shoes.
Its because they have no support. when there are headlines that good professors or doctors wife has commited suicide and poisoned their child....... what do you make of it. Desperation out of options.... Lot of money in NHS is wasted on charitable organisations offering counselling by the ones who want to get in to the business.
I did not mean to contradict or conflict but I think those women need their support as much as the starting post which provokes/inspires thinking.

Marrou · 27/05/2016 23:22

Somewhat unfortunately this is the first post I've read this evening. Unfortunate because you are probably talking about me but I am in denial and disbelief. I talked to a friend this evening, the first time I said most of the words aloud. I felt guilty, treacherous and frightened. I have a long way to go.

FreeFromHarm · 30/05/2016 18:32

Talking of abusive relationships.... Well said BTW.... I have escaped after 22 years... need some advice please

FreeFromHarm · 30/05/2016 18:49

Well done, donecrying, xx

ChocolateChangesEverything · 01/06/2016 21:26

Was this thread really posted over 7 years ago?

hareinthemoon · 02/06/2016 20:13

Going to print this out and put it on my wall.

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