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Right, listen up everybody.

867 replies

RealityIsMyOnlyValentine · 04/02/2009 08:00

I shall say this only once.

Actually, no I won't, I will keep repeating it until the message gets through.

Every person deserves to have a relationship where they are treated with respect, love and equality.

There is never an excuse for verbal, physical or financial abuse.

If you partner treats you like shit, it is their fault. It is not because of something you have done.

You can't change an abusive man by being 'better' or sticking by him where others haven't, or by changing yourself.

Most people have happy relationships, where disagreements happen and are resolved without resorting to shouting, name calling or violence or screwing someone else.

Most people's partners are happy for them to pursue their own friendships and interests, work and education, have access to money, make decisions.

Most people in a relationship stay faithful. They don't have affairs or cyber-sex or obsessively wank over porn day and night.

Don't be fooled into thinking that dysfunctional relationships are the norm. There are many of them on here, but then people don't tend to ask for advice on healthy relationships, so we hear less about them.

Relationships are not supposed to be hard work, that is a big fat myth. Yes, you should work at your relationship but that is not the same thing at all.

Nobody should live their life in fear of angering their partner, or skirting round issues that might upset him. Or put up with cheating and lying for fear of rocking the boat.

Nobody should 'stay together for the children', or because of your marriage vows. If your husband treats you badly, he has broken the vows. Children are much much happier being brought up by parents who live apart than in an atmosphere of fear and loathing.

Just because you've escaped a level 10 bastard, doesn't mean you should settle for the level 8 one that comes along. The only acceptable level of abuse is none.

Just because all your friends are in bad relationships, doesn't mean that you have to be.

I really want to debunk the myth that all men are bastards. They simply aren't. If you feel that all the men you meet are, it's because you are unconsciously sending out vibes to these men. They can spot a target a mile off.

Be on your own. It is much easier than sticking by a tosser. If you have been in more than one abusive relationship, seek some counselling, you may be co-dependant, or you may be modelling relationships on a warped template, perhaps from childhood.

If he abuses you, he is not a good father. Good fathers don't treat the mother of their children with disrespect.

It doesn't matter how much he says sorry and makes it up to you, if he continues to abuse you those apologies are worthless.

Don't be fooled into thinking the abuse isn't 'bad enough to leave'. If you are treated in any way less than cherished, loved and respected, it is bad enough to leave.

There is never a reason to stay with an abusive man. He won't kill himself if you leave him, he won't take your children, and yes, everybody will believe you.

I probably have loads more to say on the subject but I will leave it there for now.

Much love to everybody.

OP posts:
itstimeformetoleave · 17/06/2015 22:16

This just made me cry, I fit into a lot of those things you said and I finally told Dh to leave today before I read this. Just what I needed to see. Thank you.

magiccatlitter · 21/06/2015 12:27

OP, thanks. This post has uplifted my sagging esteem a bit.

I do deserve to be treated with love and respect. I don't have to put up with some sulky man child dragging me down.

sharksanddolphins · 07/07/2015 08:53

I'm going to print off the op and stick it on my wall.

Thank you Reality Flowers

NoraLouca · 07/07/2015 20:06

I wish I'd read this when I was with ex H. Thank you for posting. Smile

elQuintoConyo · 10/07/2015 20:43

Bump.

mousebacon · 25/07/2015 23:49

Finally got my emotionally, verbally and sexually abusive husband to leave this week.

My children are happy, the house is peaceful and I am free from fear and stress I didn't even know I was feeling.

justanaveragegirl · 26/07/2015 16:49

I was just lurking and had to reply to you mousebacon

Well done to you. You clearly have had a traumatic time but well done for gaining strength and chucking him out. I wish you and your dc all the best for a brighter happier future Flowers

despicableshe · 01/08/2015 12:16

I'd read the OP a while ago, but the truth of it hadn't sunk in until I was finally separated from STBXH.

I'm learning that "for better or worse" doesn't mean putting up with being spoken to or treated like crap.

DebFruit · 14/08/2015 19:45

You are so right, but mine did kill himself, so please don't say that Sad I know everyone's different... just sayin' x

CharlotteCollins · 14/08/2015 23:02

Sorry to hear that, Deb. Flowers

But I think the point the OP was making was that that is not a reason to stay.

It was not your fault. You did not make it happen. You are not responsible for what he did.

Nibledbyducks · 26/08/2015 01:30

DebFruit so did mine, and it's still not my fault, or yours xx

Freddo123 · 27/08/2015 07:16

Just wanted to say I agree with this post 100% and I hope someone who is in an abusive relationship will see this and realise they are not at fault. ?

Fromparistoberlin73 · 06/09/2015 18:18

Sigh . My sister in law just sent me a tough love email - had to pop in here

SomeBalance · 17/09/2015 11:55

Great speech.

Perhaps you could've included the fact that women are capable of being just as bad as men in relationships, and are often much worse.

Delivering such a message as if it were a one way street when being a twat is just sexist, and it detracts from what could be a really good bit of advice, for anyone , not just women.

As you were.

Frecklesandspecs · 24/09/2015 21:10

Oh debfruit and nibled Sad

I agree some, I think everyone would agree but OP probably just directing it at a majority audience. Just as it would be on 'dadsnet'

Floflo10 · 04/10/2015 09:00

Thank you, I'm going to keep re reading this every day. This is only the beginning of my journey. I need to stop minimizing things and see him for what he really is. The kids have to come first.

Playnicelyforfiveminutes · 07/10/2015 01:20

I agree with you, of course, who wouldn't - but what id you are not sure if those things apply to your relationship? In my situation there is no cheating or anything that can't be explained away by my husband who genuinely thinks I am nuts when I explain how I feel. I am worried I've got it all wrong, I can so easily talk myself out of it...

FunkyColdOedema · 12/10/2015 14:17

playnicely Does he generally listen to you respectfully, and value your opinion or feeling? Does he show any genuine, heartfelt concern at all when you express yourself? Does he treat you the way you would treat him?

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rundown25 · 27/10/2015 21:21

I love love love this just wish I could believe it and even though I know I deserve better it's so hard getting out of these relationships ......

Homely1 · 27/10/2015 23:00

Great post but even after being separated, I am still living in fear. I am worried that he will take DC by being manipulative to whoever. How does emotional abuse get recognised/proven?

rundown25 · 28/10/2015 07:05

Good question homely. This is also my fear also xxx

Homely1 · 28/10/2015 14:53

I really wish someone can help with that. At present, I think the EA get away with it!

Mumalready · 30/10/2015 15:25

Hi guys, I'm having a bit of a tough time at the minute, my life has gone from being perfect to a mess in 24 hours. I've recently 2 days ago had a miscarriage, I had to have a d&c on Tuesday just gone, while I was down in surgery my partner decided to go through my phone. He read a message from my gay friend saying I looked nice in my dress I had on a picture on whatsapp... He put two and two together and as soon as I come back from surgery he kicked off, I was called a heartless bitch and told I'm just like his ex girlfriends, I've never been so upset I'm my life. I've lost my baby and now lost my fiancé because I can't cope with him calling me a cheat or going through my stuff to try and catch me out. I've called it a day now. I'm left dealing with all this in my own now and I don't know what to do. Andrew is really insecure and I've told him I can't do anymore to prove to him that I wanted him. I don't know what to do x

Homely1 · 30/10/2015 19:11

I'm so sorry... Do you have support by way of friends and family? I think you need to focus on what you have been through with your miscarriage or it may affect you later. Your fiancé has been really insensitive and that to me says he's not worth your time.

MNetters will give lots of support... Please start a thread xxx

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