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50 top tips for pleasing your man [grin] its long but worth it

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Mamazon · 28/01/2009 01:24

Preface: YES, there are other groups that list all the mistakes men make, and YES, we are aware that they exist, but they are not important in this group... focus around here is only around the funny ass mistakes that women make. And if you have a problem with that, don't bother reading any further, go back to where you came from, and spare us all the aggravation! Anyway, onto the list...

  1. Assuming he can get a raging hard on when it suits you. Contrary to popular belief, men can't just flip a switch and get it up because you decided to stop being a frigid bitch. Getting it hard is your job. I suggest you figure it out.
  1. Thinking that kissing needs to be this sweet romantic thing all the time. Sometimes pressing your lips against your partner's mouth while you get off is hot. It depends on the situation.
  1. Leaving him responsible for your orgasm. You know what gets you off. Tell him. If you don't, it's your own fault when he's snoozing and you're all wound up.
  1. Expecting him to cuddle. Men and women are wired differently. Sex makes most women want to talk and bond and all that shit. It makes men pass out. It's a biological thing. Stop fighting it, and stop holding it over his head, it's not his fault.
  1. Expecting him to fall asleep with you in his arms. That shit is uncomfortable after a while. A little snuggling isn't unreasonable, but when it's time to actually sleep? An arm draped over you should suffice.
  1. Expecting him to always lay on the charm and romance. Sometimes, that's nice. Sometimes. But expecting him to be all roses and candles all the time is like expecting you to act like a pornstar all the time. If you're not willing to do that, don't expect him to switch for you.
  1. Being selfish in bed. Regardless of the shit that Cosmo forces down your throats, sex is NOT just about women. Get over it.
  1. Using Cosmo as a sex bible. I dont know who comes up with half that shit, but I'm pretty sure they need counseling.
  1. Whining when he pushes your head down on his cock instead of stroking your hair. Know why he's pushing, skippy? Because you aren't doing it right, and have apparently ignored the other clues he's given you. Pay attention to the signals that he's sending you.
  1. Not moving at all. Missionary is not an excuse to do nothing.

  2. Expecting him to undress himself with any amount of grace. He's about to get some pussy. Be glad he bothered to take his pants all the way off. If it concerns you so much, undress him yourself.

  3. Not shaving your legs. If you want your guy stubble free, you better get out the razor.

  4. Allowing your crotch to resemble the Amazon. Yes, waxing hurts. Yes, some people don't want to go bare. That's fine. If you like bush, great. If you have sensitive skin and can't shave, I feel for you. But for the love of Christ, trim that shit if you want him to spend any time down there.

  5. Assuming that sex means a relationship. The only relationship you have is that he has now stuck his hoo-hoo dilly in your cha-cha. That's as far as it goes unless otherwise noted.

  6. Withholding oral sex just because you're ragging. He didn't do it. Unless you want him to withhold oral sex because he's hormonal, I suggest you get some knee pads.

  7. Expecting him to figure out what you like by what noise you make. Use your words. Have you ever actually heard what you sound like while you're having sex? If you heard yourself on tape, and someone asked you to explain what was causing you to make that noise, 67% of women would respond with answers like "I stubbed my toe" "I ran up the steps" or "I was putting up drywall".

  8. Leaving condoms up to him. If you're sexually active and insist that he uses a condom, I suggest buying a box and keeping it by your bed. Not all men keep them on them, and it's just as much your responsibility as it is his. If you think that makes you a slut, you shouldn't be having sex anyway. Go back to Junior High.

  9. Getting your undies in a bunch when he talks dirty. A little fantasy can be fun. If he treats you with respect all the time, you shouldn't be offended when he calls you his dirty little slut. When he calls you a whore and tells you to cum, it's his way of showing that he cares if you get off. Stop being a sissy.

  10. Refusing to be spontaneous. I know this is shocking, but sometimes sex OUTSIDE of the bedroom is fun.

  11. Dissing quickies because it's not some slow sensual ordeal. Sex is a dynamic thing. There's an awesome raw energy when you only have 20 minutes but having to have someone so bad that you do it half clothed against the wall. Readjust your thinking.

  12. Being too much of a pussy to tell him what is or isn't acceptable before you start bumping uglies. Be honest. If he asks if he can poke you in the butt, and you giggle and say NO like it's an invitation, don't look surprised when he "accidentally" sticks his cock in your butt.

  13. Expecting him to undress you. Women put a bra on almost every day. I know for a fact that getting them off isn't always easy. Help a brother out.

  14. Undressing in the dark. If you're shy, dim the lights, but give the man something to see. No ripping off the clothes and diving under the covers, either.

  15. Refusing to get on top. There's no reason men should have to do all the work.

  16. Getting that bored look on your face. Men are more visual than women. Give him something to look at. Get on top and arch your back a little bit. Move. Do something to indicate that you 1) are not dead and 2) didn't suffer a minor stroke rendering you unable to move.

  17. Expecting him to do all the touching when you're riding him. It's your body, you're used to it. Play with your tits, rub your clit, do something to make his job easier.

  18. Being too afraid to guide your partner's hand when he's touching you. Don't like the way he's doing it? Gently take his hand and show him how you like it.

  19. Getting into bed, getting naked, fooling around and then deciding that you just want to cuddle, then getting offended when he doesn't. It's your choice to stop, but don't look all fucking surprised when he's confused. You got him naked in your bed, what else did you think was going to happen?

  20. Refusing to let him take control. So you are a feminist. Big fucking deal. Letting him call the shots doesn't make you any less of one.

  21. Refusing to take control. It's ok to crawl across a bed to him on all fours, push him down and crawl on top. It's not his responsibility to start things all the time.

  22. Forgetting that he has a body that likes to be touched, too. Men have things like backs and shoulders and stomachs and other parts that are fun to kiss and touch. You miss a lot of good places by concentrating solely on his penis.

  23. Ignoring his balls. Seriously, they are there. Kiss them, lick them, suck on them, make a relationship with them, just don't ignore them.

  24. Leaving him to his own devices. Nothing is worse than a girl who gets you most of the way off and then bolts because she doesn't want to deal with the mess.

  25. Launching into some speech about not being an object for sex when he tries to titty fuck you. Jesus Christ, just push them together and enjoy yourself. You get a great view.

  26. Expecting him to handle you like a porcelain doll. I'd hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you're not going to break, sister. So doing it against the wall gives you a bruise on your shoulder. Look at it later and giggle at the memory.

  27. Refusing to try things in the name of "making love". You're not making anything. You are naked. With another person. Making strange faces and weird noises. Stop romanticizing it.

  28. Taking things way too seriously. Sex is funny. Actually it's hilarious. Somewhere along the line, someone is going to fall off of a bed, hit their head on a lighting fixture, accidentally kick a midget or trip over a goat. It's how you deal with it that really matters.

  29. Throwing a bitch fit when he asks for a threesome. It's the American dream. (Quick interjection - one request for a threesome is ok. Every 5 minutes, not so much. Know the difference).

  30. Continuing a blow job knowing that you have god-awful cotton mouth. Really. Grab a bottle of water.

  31. Nails. It's one thing tracing them up and down your partners back. It's another when you snag the goods with a claw.

  32. Bitching when you get jizz on you. You're having sex. That will happen. That's the entire point of sex. Establish where he can and can't jizz and be done with it. Remember, it tightens the pores.

  33. Not making any noises at all. Moan. Scream his name. Something so he knows he's the best you've had, even if he isn't.

  34. Faking orgasms. Just. Don't. By faking (IF he believes you) he thinks he's doing everything right. And if he doesn't know it's not working, he's not going to change it. Starting a vicious cycle of unfulfilling sex which will eventually be very damaging to his ego.

  35. Not washing before sex. I know that sex is spontaneous, this is more of a general statement. If you haven't showered that day, and things smell a little... fishy... perhaps demanding oral sex is a little ridiculous of you.

  36. Anything that involves inserting anything into his body that he has not specifically approved beforehand. I don't care what Cosmo says, some things are simply not pleasant surprises.

  37. Refusing to use oils/whipped cream/other messy but fun things because you have these rare Egyptian cotton sheets that were made by hand by the only person alive capable of sewing that pattern. They'll wash.

  38. Doing all of your before bed things before sex. Yes, sleeping with makeup on is bad. Now is not the time to remove it, you can do that later. And really fucking you with your hair in a ratty scrunchie with acne cream on your nose is not all it's cracked up to be.

  39. Cleaning up after sex. Wiping the splooge off is one thing. But changing the sheets immediately so you can get the other ones in the washer and then sanitizing everything your naked body might have possibly passed by is not the way to do it.

  40. Making a big deal out of it if he loses his hard on. This is not an interrogation, or 20 questions. It happens, he's probably mortified and you are NOT helping. Refrain from using phrases like "it happens to every guy". Just move to other activities until it gets hard again, and if it doesn't, get off another way with him. He's still capable of getting you off. Mumbling "forget it" and rolling over are not ok.

  41. Asking questions right afterwards. The woman equivalent of "was it good for you?". Now is not a good time to ask "What this means". Right now, it means he probably needs to take a drink, a leak and a nap, perhaps not in that order.

OP posts:
Mamazon · 29/01/2009 08:12

watusi - how am i backpedalling? i gave no comment when i postedthe list and i have explained why.

i stated in my first post when i returned that i was unsure as to how to take it. whether i was right to find it offensive in parts.

but also that in the main i thought it was just a very aggressive and macho way of saying the same sort of things that us girls say to each other when giving out words of advice about bedroom antics.

TBH i don't think i was wrong to find some of it distastefull but having read it all back i agree that as individual tips they aren't funny at all.
BUT they also arent (aside from the head pushing and anal rape) really all that different to things we tell each other.

I certainly don't feel the need to get all worked up over it.I am quite sure that lads on a sunday morning speak far more disturbingly about the one night stand they took home the night before.

I actually think that lists like this should be sent around women so that they can see how men view sex. help tyhem realise that the guy they picked up at 2am in a nightclub probably isn't going to call you back once he has slept with you down an alley at 3am.
Women need to stop reading Mills & Boon and start listening to the way (some) men speak to and about us. then we will be able not to play them at their own game, but at least understand the rules so that we don't get hurt.

I do wonder if at times we have become a bit man hating on here. I want a man that is kind and considerate and who loves and cares for me. but i also want him to be a man and be masterfull in the bedroom. ok, i don't think i'd enjoy him telling me to "suck this bitch" and yet i would have no problem with telling him "get your head down there"

We should stop viewing sex as so one sided. wanting good sex isn't just a guy thing. and yes to some people good sex IS aggressive and a bit misogynistic.

I personaly enjoy doggy style, and yet i know some who are appalled at the idea as they find it degrading.

I am not defending the list. it is terrible. I just don't think it causes the same outrage in me as it does some of you.

OP posts:
modernmama · 29/01/2009 08:22

For an amusing (but not filthy look) into relationships, family, raising kids and being made redundant (!) - check out this mummy's blog www.modernmama.co.uk

ContainsMildPeril · 29/01/2009 08:31

"I actually think that lists like this should be sent around women so that they can see how men view sex. help tyhem realise that the guy they picked up at 2am in a nightclub probably isn't going to call you back once he has slept with you down an alley at 3am.
Women need to stop reading Mills & Boon and start listening to the way (some) men speak to and about us. then we will be able not to play them at their own game, but at least understand the rules so that we don't get hurt."

So it was all for our own good in the end .

Janos · 29/01/2009 08:33

Like I said before mamazon I don't belive you were wrong to post it and yes we do need to understand these things.

However - I can speak only for myself here but I don't and never have had (except perhaps when I was a virgin - and that was a very long time ago) a "mills and boon" view of sex, as you somewwht patronisingly put it.

Many of us of well into out 30s and have had a myriad of experiences I'm sure. Perhaps some of the 'outrage' stems from the fact that they have experienced just this kind of behaviour.

Janos · 29/01/2009 08:33

Sorry bad typos..in a rush. I hope the point gets across anyway.

Mamazon · 29/01/2009 08:38

precisely. and conversations like the one we are having here will then help those who think this is normal and acceptable behaviour to have the courage to say "get your maggott out of my face" and leave.

OP posts:
ILiketoMarmiteMarmite · 29/01/2009 09:04

Mamazon I don't know you but I've just read through this thread and I think it's disingenuous, at best, of you to say you weren't sure what your reaction was so you posted it on MN to guage other people's reactions.

Your thread title contains a grin and "it's long but worth it" which I think indicates what your initial reaction really was.

I'm afraid it strikes me as a bit weak to say "I didn't know how I felt about it so I thought I would see how others felt about it". If you were canvassing for opinions you ought to have stated that in your OP. The OP, and thread title, as they are, give the strong impression that you thought the whole thing was a bit of a laugh.

ILiketoMarmiteMarmite · 29/01/2009 09:06

"I actually think that lists like this should be sent around women so that they can see how men view sex."

Mamazon this list does not enable me to see how men view sex - certainly not any man I have ever been in a relationship with - it represents a very particular kind of man.

MmeLindt · 29/01/2009 09:16

Mamazon
If you were trying to gauge opinions then it would have been helpful to put that in your OP.

"I received this mail today and don't know what to make of it" would have been a better OP than "50 top tips for pleasing your man"

The list is neither funny nor particularly informative, there was nothing there that would give me any advise on "pleasing my man".

If I have to resort to tips written by a mysoginist abuser to have a good sex life, then I would rather be celibate.

Watusi · 29/01/2009 09:17

I think it presents as jaundiced a view of men as it does of women frankly - there are a lot of men and 'lads' who don't talk in disparaging terms about women they have had sex with

I don't thinkit's useful at all

and as marmite said your title was a pretty clear indication of your percetion of it

Thus the backpedalling

catMandu · 29/01/2009 09:18

Mamazon has already said that she did find some of it amusing and some she wasn't sure about, so the grin and 'worth it' comments are not unreasonable.

Fwiw, I've just read through it again and I still stand by what I've said before - it's fine. I'm more offended by some of the day to day mundane things that people expect from their relationships tbh women who do all the cooking and think its ok for their husbands to ask them what they're having for supper. I couldn't be in a relationship with a man who thought that just because of my sexuality it was my job to do the domestic stuff, but I could be with a man who thought this list was realistic. I think you are missing the point on most of it.

GColdtimer · 29/01/2009 09:18

I agree on both points Iliketomarmitemarmite.

Mamazon, why didn't you state what the purpose was in your OP?

GColdtimer · 29/01/2009 09:21

"I could be with a man who thought this list was realistic. I think you are missing the point on most of it".

I think it is you who is missing the point and I feel sorry that you would be with a man who thought "frigid bitch" was an acceptable term and would condone the type of bullying and masochistic behaviour represented here.

BalloonSlayer · 29/01/2009 09:25

I am sure Mamzon can answer for herself, but I presumed the title was to get people to look at the thread. Would so many have looked if it had said "Is this offensive? What do you think?"

I have certainly laughed at the email jokes along the lines of: "How to please a woman - love her, adore her, flatter her, stroke her, etc, interminable list . . . How to please a man - turn up naked with food and beer."

I strongly suspect that the author of this unpleasant piece of writing is attempting to create something similar in the hope that it will wing its way around the internet. It possibly will.

I'd imagine him to be a divorced male, forties, perhaps with a blog, who has been told:

(By his ex-wife) that he is no good in bed.
(By gawd-knows-who) that he is a good writer.
(By drunken friends) that he is sooooo funny, dude.
That it's easy to sound young and cool when you write, as long as you use the word "shit" a lot.

Suspect only the first is true.

Would love to know who he is so I could express my appreciation (copy of The Wankers Song by express mail).

Watusi · 29/01/2009 09:29

Noo, I do not think I am missing anything

catMandu · 29/01/2009 09:30

twofalls, you don't need to feel sorry for me thanks very much. Clearly I disagree with a lot of people on this thread, but haven't found it necessary to make comments on them personally - sounds a little defensive I think.

mocca · 29/01/2009 09:41

Just to say am with you catMandu. Have re-read the list and most of it's totally unfunny but a lot of the emails I get sent from female colleagues are a whole lot worse. It's been taken far too seriously and the fact that some people are getting very personal proves the point.

harleyd · 29/01/2009 09:43

got to point 6 and am bored already
what a pile of crap

gigglinggoblin · 29/01/2009 09:45

I find it more offensive that so many people on here have been insulting about those of us who didnt find it offensive. How is that attitude any better than the attitude of a guy who has written what pleases a lot (yes, really, a lot) of men in bed?

He was honest, half of you have been just insulting and oppressive. Sorry to inform you ladies but lot of it is true. Am going to guess that most of the people on here who have problems with their sex life are going to agree this is a horrible thing, and maybe thats why.

Too many people are scared to loosen up about sex and say what they want, I didnt read it as just pleassing a man and not a woman - it even says to tell him how you like it.

A lot of you are being ridiculous. If you cant get over the lanuguage maybe you are better off reading cosmo - tho tbh I think a lot of cosmo is not different to this, it just doesnt have the swearing and its ok to write like that if its a woman doing it.

gigglinggoblin · 29/01/2009 09:49

oh and to say its domestic violence if you get a bruise shagging - lol! That is just an incredible attitude and does a huge amount of harm to those who have been through domestic violence by completely trivialising it imo. Both me and my dh would be in a lot of trouble if that were the case. very, very insulting

GColdtimer · 29/01/2009 09:53

You didn't read my post. I didn't say I felt sorry FOR you. I said I felt sorry that you thought it was acceptable for a man to behave this way.

I don't feel sorry for you at all. You are your own person and you make your own decisions. And no, not defensive at all. What a ridiculous thing to say.

And as for this comment
"Am going to guess that most of the people on here who have problems with their sex life are going to agree this is a horrible thing, and maybe thats why".

How is that not insulting and offensive??

GColdtimer · 29/01/2009 09:55

you are missing the point gigglinggoblin, its not abot a bruise during sex, its about someone else forcing it on you if you dont fancy the idea of having it a bit rough.

But I can't really be arsed to spell it out for you as many others on this thread have tried to do so before and failed.

gigglinggoblin · 29/01/2009 09:56

I am suggesting that if you have problems in your sex life maybe its because you are afraid to say what you want and you are unwilling to listen to what you dp wants. I dont see why thats insulting, imo thats usually the problem.

I am not saying everyone who disagrees with this piece of writing has problems with their sex life btw, didnt want it to sound like that. On here I meant mn in general, not this thread

GColdtimer · 29/01/2009 09:58

I don't have any problems with my sex life thank you very much but thank you for clarifying.

But I still find this a offensive and masochistic pile of crap.

gigglinggoblin · 29/01/2009 09:59

eh? where does he say that? i was refering to

Expecting him to handle you like a porcelain doll. I'd hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you're not going to break, sister. So doing it against the wall gives you a bruise on your shoulder. Look at it later and giggle at the memory.

how is that forcing you to do it if you dont want to?