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help re my previous thread.

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idontlikecricket · 03/01/2009 23:34

Did post on my original thread half an hour ago but am feeling awful so please respond.

Can't work out how to add a link to my original thread, so just copied and pasted the most relevant bit.

Ok so I am back
Just talked to my husband about our relationship etc.

Am I going mad or is this slightly insane? Since my husband is saying how terrible our marriage is, how he doesn't feel he can work on it, we are such different people, does he think we will be together if we didn't have kids etc, I told to him think about the repercussions of his actions - i.e me finding a new man, our DD getting a new stepdad. He told me to stop guilt tripping him and making everything so black and white.

I told him that I'm not - he's the one that's wanting to separate, not me. I'm not denying there's things we could have worked on, but I think marriage is about commitment and making it work and sorting out issues.

His response is that he doesn't want to work at something where ten years down the line he realises he is just as unhappy. I told him it doesn't need to be like that.

I'm confused as to where he is coming from re a separation. Does he mean separating with a view to sorting out problems and potentially making things work, or is he talking about permanent separation. His repsonse is that he doesn't think at the moment we can make anything work so he wants to separate (no commital there then).

He doesn't like it if I say that it's his choice to leave, not mine. He says "oh so it's all my fault then". If I say it is his choice to choose whether to stay and sort it out, counselling, working on it or to leave and face whatever the future may be, he doesn't like it because he says I am making it so black and white and trying to guilt trip him???? How can I be guilt tripping him by spelling out the obvious?

He's made me feel really confused and keeps telling me I am guilt tripping him. But I keep saying the guilt is his because it's his choice to walk away - we all have to make choices in life and deal with it.

I told him to grow up and face his responsibilities.

I am rapidly getting peed off by this childish viewpoint of his.He seems to think that I'm making things so easy and that I'll be happy as long as I've got my little family and "he can stuff his problems" (his words)?????

Am I going insane or is he being slightly unreasonable, I mean if you choose not to work at something and walk away, you can't tell your wife you are guilt tripping them?

Sorry I am just so tired of this bull.
goodness, thinking about it. because i have called him selfish, immature, unkind and words to the like before and I'm now being accused of guilt tripping am I a toxic person????

Also, I can get a little bit needy because he's made me feel unloved???

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LiffeyAnnaLivia · 04/01/2009 18:49

He sounds like the albatross 'round your neck.

Look forward to your freedom. It'll be an adjustment, but there are many positives to being rid of a man like this.

LiffeyAnnaLivia · 04/01/2009 18:50

PS, it may take 2 yrs, but you will look back on this and realise he is a pompous self-righteous selfish KNOB.

idontlikecricket · 04/01/2009 18:53

But in someways I know it's not all his fault.

I don't blame him for everything. I wasn't perfect either. But in my mind you work at things and make them better. He just doesn't want to keep working at it.

The marriage wasn't perfect but it definately wasn't awful. Sometimes I felt his perspective of it was awful.

I know you are right liffey.

I feel like I am falling apart.

You know when you have been under sooooo much stress you wander how much more you can take before you collapse? I think I am at that point and I feel so weak and stupid. I hate feeling like this.

This is when I get despondent.

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AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 04/01/2009 18:54

oh cricket, listen to him now and let yourself go

stop blaming you, even if he tries to

there is nothing wrong in trying to hold your family unit together, he just doesn't want it like you do

go on your trip, don't you dare cancel, when are you due to travel?

idontlikecricket · 04/01/2009 18:57

This week.

I've got to pack!

No I know. I get abit scared because I am the type of person who seems really strong. But when it all kicked off last month, I felt like I wanted to end it all. It really scares me to feel like that and I don't want to get out of bed or do anything. I start to feel that there is no need for me to be here. Its usually a lot worse before my period. And it's due tomorrow.

I love my DD more than anything in the world but what kind of parent feels like that?

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LiffeyAnnaLivia · 04/01/2009 18:58

Anyfucker is right, I tried and tried and tried for years to make a hopeless relationship tolerable.

There is such freedom that moment you stop trying, the moment you realise that you don't NEED to be in this relationship for the rest of your life. OK, you're married, and yes it's sad and it's not ideal, and for me, it was embarrassing too. Maybe that should have been the least of my worries, but there you go, I WAS embarrassed.

Anyway, weight it all up and think about whether you want to spend your life protecting this guy from his mistakes (losing you) or living your life in peace without criticism.

LiffeyAnnaLivia · 04/01/2009 18:59

Getting away will be good. You'll see that there's life away from him, your home, your normal environment. It is possible to build a new life for yourself. Think about that when you're with your family.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 04/01/2009 19:05

cricket, anybody can feel that low when faced with what you are going through

it doesn't mean you are a bad parent

you have to go on for your dd, it will be very very hard and pssibly worse before it gets better

LAL speaks sense, I think eventually you will feel like a huge weight has been lifted, when you realise you are only responsible for the emotional wellbeing of one child, instead of two

idontlikecricket · 04/01/2009 19:14

Thank you any and liffey.

I am actually looking forward to getting away.

I worry about so much, I worry about everyone being safe, about him being safe, about our DD being safe -everything and I know I just can't do it anymore.

It eats me alive and interferes with how I function.

I am looking forward to seeing my family.

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idontlikecricket · 04/01/2009 19:17

you know when all your self esteem has gone?

I know I can be attractive but I feel ugly, I've put on weight, I have no sense of who I am....blah blah blah

Anyway enough self pity.

I think my emotional health will be better in the long run.

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AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 04/01/2009 19:24

good luck, and keep posting xx

isn't there a thread called "fab and glam" particularly for those whose self-esteem has taken a huge knock, often to do with a man, have you seen it?

lots of ladies will have brilliant advice for you, as they have all been through it recently

I am of course, spouting my advice with the benefit of 20 yrs of hindsight, which has a great tendency to make you able to see the wood for the trees (ahhh wonderful time and its healing properties......)

when you are right in the middle of it though, its sooooo not easy

idontlikecricket · 04/01/2009 19:32

you know I'm gonna call you wiseany....

I can't wait for the healing proerties and wiseness that will stop me from being so silly

i do appreciate all your help

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solidgoldsoddingjanuaryagain · 04/01/2009 19:32

You will feel so much better when you've got rid of him. He is hanging around whining at you because he is either completely gutless and unable to take any responsiblity for himself, or he's having an affair - or he actually really gets off on being the tortured soul who no one understands - but to be a properly tortured soul there has to be someone running around trying to kiss it all better who Mr Misery can blame and slap down constantly.
Whiners like him don't improve, ever.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 04/01/2009 19:45

sg, straight to the point as ever , I too fail to see why he won't just piss off out of it if you are "bringing him down so much"

cricket, you are being silly but you will come out the other side a wiser and stronger person

my silly phase was thankfully pre-kids, so at least I didn't have all the complications that entails

idontlikecricket · 04/01/2009 19:51

I may just tell him to piss off!!!! i want to play at tortured for a while now. Hmmmmmm lifes so bad, I've not been able to do whatever I want for oh 10 years.....

It is very complicated with DD. But she just told me she loved me so that made me very happy

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AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 04/01/2009 19:53

hold on to that, yours and hers emotional health should be all that matters to you

he can look after himself

TimeForMe · 04/01/2009 19:57

Sweeheart, you are not a failure, none of this is your fault. You haven't caused your H to behave the way he is behaving or say the things he is saying, only he has control over himself and his nastiness.

You are a wonderful, caring, loving woman who simply wants her marriage to work and her little family to stay together, that is commendable. Unfortunatley, just as you cannot control what your H says or the way he behaves you cannot control the way he feels. You can however, control the way you react and respond to it. It seems to me that the harder you try to reason with him, see sense, the more ammunition he is gaining, he is taking what you say and twisting it around so that he looks like the victim and you are the guilty party. In effect, he is gaining justifictaion for what he is doing.

Believe me, you are doing absolutely the best thing by going away and leaving him to it. If you weren't already going away I would be advising you to distance yourself emotionally from him as much as you can. Right now, the most important person in all of this is you, not him. You need some time and space to gather your thoughts away from him and his comments. You need to get your head straight and gain some strength.

One more thing I would say to you, he is more likely to come back to you if you give him the space to do so. (that is if you do want him back after all of this) At the moment, the more you try the further away he will be. He needs to see you as a strong, capable woman who doesn't need him, a woman who's happiness does not depend on him. I am not saying that this is definately going to bring him back to you but, believe me, it will do you the world of good!! Once you have your self esteem back in place you will feel like a different woman, then my love, it will be you who will be deciding if you want him!!

PS You are welcome on the Fab and Glam thread anytime!!

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 04/01/2009 19:59

there ya go !

sickofthisrain · 04/01/2009 20:13

cricket, go off and enjoy your trip. Talk to some friends or family about what is happening. I promise it will help. CAT me anytime you like and I'll be happy to chat to you.
I've reached the stage where I don't want to spend any more time being belittled. I know I don't deserve it. Neither do you.

Can you book yourself a haircut and manicure, maybe go off to aerobics, buy a couple of new tops to wear? I've lost a few pounds due to all this stress (and being ill) and already feel a bit more confident.

TimeForMe · 04/01/2009 20:15

In fact, before you go away why don't you leave him with the "I've been thinking about everything you have said and I have finally realised you are right, we should separate. I was being rather silly thinking that DD and I needed you to make a family when in fact we we still be a family without you. I do hope we can stay friends for her sake though" cue nice smile and a bit of eye contact before you turn on your heel and walk away, leaving him with his gob open but no words coming out of it

You show him you don't need him!!

idontlikecricket · 04/01/2009 20:33

thx everyone. Sotr i am going to try and get a haircut on tue - huraaaahhhhhhh.

I'm gonna go to the gym tomorrow

Time I love the suggestion. Could well do that. Especially with my lovely new hair

thx again

sotr hope all goes ok

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TimeForMe · 04/01/2009 20:51

Thats the spirit!!

He is just a small piece of the pie, not the whole of it. Just remember that. You have so many good things in your life and are quite capable of making good things happen for yourself without his help, permission or approval, so go for it!! Make him eat his nasty, rotten words. By the time we have finsihed with you he will regret the day he decided to let you go!!

sickofthisrain · 04/01/2009 21:00

good on you. I'm going next weekend. Have also just spent £110 on a lovely but totally unnecessary Whistles cardigan.

TimeForMe · 04/01/2009 21:10

Blimey SOTR! I like your style!

idontlikecricket · 05/01/2009 10:30

There is always room in a wardrobe for unnecessary clothing.

That's just the thing, I always got my clothes last - DD had lovely clothes, shoes etc but me - Primark!!!!! Have just started to invest in few key pieces to brighten up my wardrobe.

Since our big discussion last night he says he feels down. But it's his choice so I am gonna let him wallow in it. Time for him to mope.

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