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Is the writing on the wall?

35 replies

anychanceleft · 19/12/2008 22:52

My DH and I have had problems for the last 3 years, he is very unhappy about the way I am, have gained lots of weight whilst pregnant with DS who is now 3. To tell the tale briefly, he says he no longer finds me attractive, he loves me like a sister, but not in love with me, says the sexual attraction has gone. I feel betrayed by him, feel he should love me for me, not how I look, but on his side of the fence can see that I really am not the woman physically he met and fell for. Because I receive so little affection from him, it makes me very sad and then very resentful. We have got into the habit of just biting at each other all the time. Last weekend we had another big row, he is very verbally abusive when we row telling me how awful I am an that he can't respect me when I look so dreadful etc etc, whilst I know this is way out of order, over the course of time it's destroyed my self-esteem.

He wants to give it until Summer to see if I can "sort myself out" and us work on trying to get the old us back, but until he finds my physically attractive is doesn't want any physical intimacy as he feels it will give me the wrong signals and make me think everything is okay!

I feel devastated that he could say all this, he says he feels that I don't care about him or our relationship, as if he had changed so much and I had asked him to change back he would have done it for me. He sobbed last weekend, whilst rowing, I have never seen him cry in the last 10 years.

Part of me hates him for all that he has done, and I suspect if I get back to how I was the damage in my head is monumental and perhaps too much. Do you think that we are doomed?

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AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 19/12/2008 22:54

I'm sorry, yes I do

honestfriend · 19/12/2008 23:09

I wonder why you find it so hard to see that for a man, a woman's appearance does matter?

I can quite honestly say that I see his point- if you have let yourself go and you are no longer the woman-physically- he was attracted to, then that is a valid point.

He says he does love you- but that you don't appear attractive to him.

Why don't you lose the weight and get your self-esteem back?

anychanceleft · 19/12/2008 23:14

Honest friend - I want to lose the weight and get myself back for me, and am losing weight (when I said I gained lots I meant it) have lost 2 stone so far another 5 to go! What I am struggling with how he can be verbally so cruel, he says he has no where left to go, and perhaps this will scare me into action - only says this when calm after the big row.

I kind of hope we can recover from this, perhaps when I have regained my former self, if he is still around councelling might be the way to go. Because I certainly won't be able to slip those size 12 jeans on and forget all that has gone before.

What confuses me is that if he despises me as much as he says why he hasn't gone, he is absolutely hateful verbally.

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anychanceleft · 19/12/2008 23:14

Honest friend - I want to lose the weight and get myself back for me, and am losing weight (when I said I gained lots I meant it) have lost 2 stone so far another 5 to go! What I am struggling with how he can be verbally so cruel, he says he has no where left to go, and perhaps this will scare me into action - only says this when calm after the big row.

I kind of hope we can recover from this, perhaps when I have regained my former self, if he is still around councelling might be the way to go. Because I certainly won't be able to slip those size 12 jeans on and forget all that has gone before.

What confuses me is that if he despises me as much as he says why he hasn't gone, he is absolutely hateful verbally.

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anychanceleft · 19/12/2008 23:15

oops

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AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 19/12/2008 23:16

even if she did that honestfriend, wouldn't she forever resent the controlling twat ?

and hen she got her self-esteem back, she would see him in a true light and bounce his arse anyway

so, I believe the relationship is doomed no matter what you do ACL

whatever you do though, do it for you

FlynnieAroundTheChristmasTree · 19/12/2008 23:16

He says that you have to sort yourself out?
HE needs to sort himself out.

Honestf, why should she lose the weight just to please him?

ReinDIORdroppings · 19/12/2008 23:17

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KewcumbersRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 19/12/2008 23:19

so changing your physical appearance stops someone from loving you, honest friend

How about scars or haircuts or losing an arm?

Your self esteem is in the toilet partly caused by him. YOu need to work on rebuilding it regardless what weight you are. You willprobably find it easier to lose weight anyway if you value yourself more. And large women need not look "dreadful".

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 19/12/2008 23:20

whatever happened to a loving partner supporting the person he loves ??

obviously, ACL is not happy with her weight gain but controlling twattery is hardly the best way to get a positive outcome for both of them

ACL, he should support you in losing weight slowly and healthily, not batter your self-esteem with verbal abuse

honestfriend · 19/12/2008 23:20

It wouldn't be JUST to please him- surely- it would be for her and for her health.

Let me give you my own example- my partner has grown a very hairy back in the 20 yrs we have been together. I have told him I don't like it- in fact I don't like it so much that I don't want to have sex or hold him. I have asked him to have it waxed etc- he thinks I am joking. What should I do then? is this being controlling?

sticksantaupyourchimney · 19/12/2008 23:21

ONe of the few things I have ever read about marriage/relationship advice that I thought was universally applicable was this: When one partner feels or expresses contempt for the other, the relationship is not recoverable. Gaining weight might be off-putting to a partner (though it isn't always), gentle, supportive encouragement to a partner that he/she should think about losing weight for health reasons is not a bad thing, repeated verbal abuse of a partner is a bad thing. If you lose weight and he then 'loves' you again, this might seem like a good thing but it might actually be pretty toxic, in that you will have put yourself in a position where he is able to control what you eat and how you look. You might be in for decades of little comments every time you choose what to order in a restaurant, or put sugar in your tea - a situation which is demoralising and damaging. He doesn't have ownership rights or the final verdict on the size and shape of your body.

KewcumbersRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 19/12/2008 23:22

close to the bone for me - my dad divorced my mum but beofre doing it he said if she lost enough weight he would stay with her. He subsequently admitted to me that he said that because he knew she would never lose enough weight and therefore it would be her* fault that he left.

Wanker.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 19/12/2008 23:23

hear, hear sticks

anychanceleft · 19/12/2008 23:23

I really appreciate all your comments on this, I suspect Flynnie and AnyFucker are probably spot on with the reality of the situation, too much water and all that. But Honestfriend I get where you are coming from too.

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FlynnieAroundTheChristmasTree · 19/12/2008 23:24

Yes it would be if you told him that it would be the end of your relationship.

Would it be okay if he said that he couldn't stand the sight of stretch marks?

ReinDIORdroppings · 19/12/2008 23:25

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FlynnieAroundTheChristmasTree · 19/12/2008 23:25

That was for HF btw.

KewcumbersRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 19/12/2008 23:26

hf if you would divorce your husband on the grounds of him having a hairy back then you either have a phobia about hairy backs or you're incredibly shallow.

And would you in the meantime be contemptuous of him

Whether losing weight is a generally good thing for anychanceleft is a different issue - having a gun held to your head is no way to live your life for months on end (lsing 5 stone takes a long time)

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 19/12/2008 23:26

I have to go to bed now ACL (work in the morining)

But you sound lovely, and even willing to try and understand his motives for treating you badly

He doesn't deserve you

anychanceleft · 19/12/2008 23:29

Sticks very wise words, this is one of the things that I have thought most, what will it be next, too old, too wrinkly, too much grey hair, hardly the road to follow for the next 40 years! I used to be a strong person, but he has managed to make me feel like a bag of shit, I am not an unattractive woman, always made up, nice clothes, so hardly wandering around with raggy old joggers on! He talks like I'm a tramp.

Kew - I have also thought this is his tactic, doesn't want to be the one that leaves, so pins all the issues on me so he can look like the hard done one.

Why the hell can't I just tell him to stick his comments up his proverbial, I simply don't get why I care what he says or thinks, it makes no sense to me and why I want him to want me so badly.

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FlynnieAroundTheChristmasTree · 19/12/2008 23:48

Of course you want him to want you the way you are. Don't for a moment think that you are the one with a problem.

There are two issues here first his problem with your weight and secondly the way he speaks to you.
I don't normally shout 'controlling' but why is he sobbing? you were the one he was insulting! Also the way that he said that you can't care for the relationship if you don't change.

He is the one who needs to change, but if he won't talk rationally about it then I agree with anyfucker.

critterjitter · 19/12/2008 23:56

Sounds very shallow to me. If you lose weight, do it for yourself, not him. Perhaps you should ask him why he feels so confident about criticizing your appearance and what makes him judge and jury?

Sorry, but sometimes I really think some men are really taken in by all these media ideas of perfect stick thin glossy women. As if we all should look like Cheryl Cole or Victoria Beckham at all times.

Tell him to stick it!

cheerfulvicky · 20/12/2008 00:03

The warning signs of an abusive man. This thread helped me. I've bought the book and am working through it, when I get any time. It's very interesting. Seems like there are varying degrees of abusive behaviour, and although your DH isn't backhanding you across the face, I still think he's treating you very disrespectfully. Unless he radically changes his attitude I don't see how you can make things work. You haven't got the problem, he has.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

anychanceleft · 20/12/2008 00:07

Cheerful and Critter - thx. Will read the link.

I think I know all the answers, just get why I can't be stronger, maybe that's just where this situation has taken me.

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