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Can we do this for the rest of our lives?

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OrmIrian · 11/11/2008 12:56

Sorry this is so long. It's a sort of brain dump I think...

DH's parents split when he was 4, his sisters were 3 and 6. FIL just walked out and the next 10 yrs or so was completely erratic and unreliable in his contact with the children. MIL lied to the children, saying daddy was working away. Didn't help when FIL came back for the odd weekend and slept in the marital bed . MIL still hoped he would come back for good. After 10 yrs FIL found another woman, and settled down with her. At which point he magically became available for his children but they had to come to terms with the fact that he actually wasn't coming back. Anyway the final result is 3 fed up kids who are still fed up to a greater or lesser extent today. DH being no exception. Perhaps worse for him as he was a boy and needed his dad even more?

DH and I have been together for years and years. I am expecting my long-service medal any day now. When we first together we were emotionally very close, very supportive. We spent time doing things apart but emotionally we were an unbreakable unit. That continued for many years. Then FIL got sick. Cancer. He recovered. Then 3 yrs later he got sick again and this time it was terminal. At the time DH was half-way through a BEd for which we were both making a lot of financial sacrifices. DH basically went off the rails. I never knew were he was. He missed lectures and tutorials. He was working at the weekends and in the holidays ? he began to go to the pub after work and not come back for days. I fell pregnant with baby #1. DH got a grip was very excited about the baby. 6 months later FIL died and all the crap started again. When DS was born DH came back to me briefly but after a few months he was back to being unreliable, irritable, tearful - grieving. Basically I was more or less single for about 18m. Emotionally and for all practical purposes. I did my best to support him but I was working full-time and pregnant, then had a new baby to look after. So I admit I might not have been all that patient.. My heart broke for him but I was coping with all kinds of hassles, money worries, new baby, back to work full-time. Meanwhile DH had graduated with a 2:2 instead of the first he had been told to expect in his second year. And didn't go into teaching. He had counselling and took prozac for a period. He swore it didn't help. I could see it did. But he stopped both. Later he admitted that he didn't want to stop grieving, he didn't want to change, as he felt it was dismissing his father.

We've spoken about all this many times. I have told him I felt abandoned. He told me that he felt I didn't care. We've both explained and apologised. In theory it's all behind us. But I can't help the horrible creeping realisation the it isn't. From his POV. Time and time again he rejects any demands for emotional support. I have been a bit worried about my father recently - he's getting very vague and distinctly odd so I worry about dementia. My granny had that badly at the end. I mentioned this to my DH once and was crying - he replied 'FFS at least your dad is still alive!'. On the 2 occasions I've been given ads to cope with depression/anxiety he is always dismissive - 'What are you depressed about?'. Worries about work, the children, money are always treated as some kind of stupid irrational fear that needs to be suppressed. I rarely cry now in front of him as it makes him so irritated. Last night I was telling him that I think one of DS#1's rats has a tumour and was worried about her. 'FGS it's just a bloody rat?. Yes, I know it's just a bloody rat, what's that got to do with it?

And I get jealous sometimes. I want to yell -I've been with you for years longer than your feckless, useless, selfish bloody father. I've supported you emotionally, practically, financially more than he ever did. I gave you three beautiful children. But you still love your dead father more than me!' Of course he doesn't really but it feels that way sometimes - he will still cry his heart out over photos, and watching certain films. I honestly feel that if I walked out tomorrow it wouldn't make him cry, he'd just be angry and resentful.

We potter along OK, I'm fond of him, I think he's a good man, I enjoy his company, he makes me laugh but god forbid I make any 'irrational' emotional demands. So I've learned not to. But surely marriage means sharing worried and fears? I'd get more of a sympathetic audience from my DC TBH. It's as if we are skating along quite happily on the surface but never dare approach thin ice.

Can we do this forever? I don't want to stir up a hornet's nest. And I guess I feel a bit guilty too. But I wonder if things still need to be explored

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mumblechum · 11/11/2008 12:59

What a very sad post Orm. Will try & think of something useful to say.

mumblechum · 11/11/2008 13:03

Am I right in thinking that you've recently rearranged things so that he's at home with the kids & you're back FT? Have things got worse since then?

If you've been together for a long time, presumably you're both around the 40 mark? I think that's a very hard age, it makes you wonder whether you're on the right track and if not, whether you have the emotional energy to change direction.

The odd time that dh and I haven't been getting on, I visualise what life would be like if we were separated. In my case, I'd absolutely hate it for lots of reasons, but if when you try to imagine what it would be like to live separately, you actually feel optimistic, then maybe it's time to tell him how you are feeling, brutal as that may be, to see how committed the two of you are to making things work.

Simplysally · 11/11/2008 13:05

Have you considered attending counselling on your behalf so you can work out what issues you want to sort out/those you can tolerate with your DH? You

It sounds as though he had a bit of a grim childhood and unsettled adolescence plus the going-off-the-rails bit as a student. That's no excuse for making you feel unhappy though. Re your father's problems, a bit of empathy from your DH wouldn't go amiss but it doesn't sound as though he feels able to offer it at the moment .

OrmIrian · 11/11/2008 13:05

Right on both counts mumblechum.

I can't imagine being without him. To be more specific I can't imagine the process of leaving him - too much disruption and pain.

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Buda · 11/11/2008 13:07

Would he consider counselling - you both have things you need to work through. He is not just grieving the loss of his father he is also grieving the relationship he should have had.

And you of course still feel resentful for what he has put you through with it all.

OrmIrian · 11/11/2008 13:07

simplysally - FIL died 11 yrs ago. That's what I find so hard to deal with. It all happened such a long time ago but it still has an impact now.

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BennyAndJoon · 11/11/2008 13:08

That is very sad. As hard as it might be, do you think he would consider going to relate with you? Or you could go on your own if not, it might help you decide whether you want to carry on with the status quo, or whether you really do need to push to make changes.

Am I right in thinking it is 10 years or so since his dad died? That is a long time for you to be covering up your "irrational" emotional demands

Weegle · 11/11/2008 13:08

How sad for you

I know you said he's dismissive of counselling for him but would he consider it jointly as a couple? If you sit him down and explain very calmly and rationally your fears and that you need to feel he has some commitment to improving things, and the way he could do this is couples counselling? If you could get him to agree to this it might be a stepping stone to getting him the help he clearly needs.

Failing that I think a really good first point of call would be individual counselling for you so that you can work through all the things you must be feeling.

BennyAndJoon · 11/11/2008 13:09

oh x posts while logging back in

sorry

PatienceRequired · 11/11/2008 13:10

oh my goodness how sad, yet so eloquently put. Its sounds like you would both benefit from some counselling, individually and as a couple. So many different issues to be dealt with, it sounds as though the basis for your relationship is strong though and i wouldn't give up just yet. How feasible would counselling be? Can you confide in RL friends/family?

phantasmagoria · 11/11/2008 13:11

I'm sorry, Orm. That sounds really uber tough. I don't think a marriage without emotional support can work. And it sounds as though you have given him everything. Does he KNOW that he is still behaving in a grief stricken way? Does he KNOW the effects of his behaviour? Would he consider counselling? If he wouldn't, would you go for it alone? It sounds like you have had a really shitty few years and could do with trying to answer all your questions and some support for yourself.

Weegle · 11/11/2008 13:11

Also, I can only see that you are going to end up extremely resentful and bitter if you are expected to "carry" his emotional needs but he dismisses yours. He needs to understand that no matter what happens in your childhood when you're an adult you need to take responsibility for yourself and your own relationships - bloody hard thing to do but 100% necessary. A counsellor could help with that.

PatienceRequired · 11/11/2008 13:12

Sorry so many posts got there before me...

OrmIrian · 11/11/2008 13:12

I talked to his youngest sister last year. She was lovely but TBH she's got her own issues about FIL and theit childhood. Not my parents either - they'd just want him strung up

I have a good friend that I confide in but there's only so much that can acheive.

I might suggest he tries counselling on his own at first. If we went together he would think I was muscling in. God knows how I broach the subject though...

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Weegle · 11/11/2008 13:12

Who would you say is the closest person to him? What's your relationship with them like? Can you talk to them and see if they can back you up that he needs to move forward?

Simplysally · 11/11/2008 13:13

I guess you never get over losing a parent though esp if they weren't around much when you were a child so you don't even have memories to fall back on. I really don't know what to say since it's easy to say 'oh do this or that' but in RL, it's not always so easy.

I'd go and talk to your GP and run it past him how you feel. He may be able to refer you to someone or offer some other support. If you need a sounding board to clear your mind, keep posting on here or even ring the Samaritans. It can be very comforting to talk to a stranger (I have used them once or twice when I have been rather distraught) and it's one-to-one so you get an immediate response.

Bink · 11/11/2008 13:14

Where are dh's sisters, and his mother?

OrmIrian · 11/11/2008 13:16

Yes, weegle. I could speak to his sister again. She's had counselling for a while and swears it's helped her. But sadly they aren't close atm. His best mate might help but I don't see him very often. But it's a good idea to get some support from someones else.

THanks for all your responses. This has been sitting on the back burner for ages - it wasn't until last night when I was lying in bed having a lonely sniffle over 'just a bloody rat' and DH has stomped off downstairs, that I realised there is something wrong.

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OrmIrian · 11/11/2008 13:16

Yes, weegle. I could speak to his sister again. She's had counselling for a while and swears it's helped her. But sadly they aren't close atm. His best mate might help but I don't see him very often. But it's a good idea to get some support from someones else.

THanks for all your responses. This has been sitting on the back burner for ages - it wasn't until last night when I was lying in bed having a lonely sniffle over 'just a bloody rat' and DH has stomped off downstairs, that I realised there is something wrong.

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phantasmagoria · 11/11/2008 13:18

Counselling on his own would be good, but I think YOU need some support too, you have been carrying a hell of a lot for a hugely long time, plus 3 kids, plus working FT. It's too much for one person to deal on their own. And life is SHORT.........you need to get some joy back, both of you...does he have a support network himself? What do his friends think?

mou · 11/11/2008 13:18

Oh Orm. Yor life seems to mirror mine in so many ways, and I really wish I could say decisively that there was an easy solution. Have a massive post going about something similar.

I think if you focus on getting through from day to day you can sustain it but if you look at the future and think it will always be like it perhaps decisions need to be made.

Yes marriage is about sharing fears and worries, sometimes I think I might as well be married to mumsnet for the support I get from H. He too has good points but there are so many grey areas.

On a day to day basis, filling your time so not to much of it is spent being eaten up by it. Those stored emotions may need an outlet someday as they can become very destructive. I am not sure why you feel guilty but it is not uncommon.

It sounds like he still needs help but hey he is a man and IME they are very reluctant to go that way.

No constructive advice, I really wish I could help and hope someone on here can, but take care and keep running.

OrmIrian · 11/11/2008 13:19

DH's mum and youngest sister are about 15 miles away. Eldest sister in Southampton. MIL would try to talk to DH - she's a diamond in many ways - but he wouldn't listen. Ditto his sisters. He loves them all in his way but doesn't communicate with them in any meaningful way - apart from drunken phone calls to his sister very occassionally about what a great bloke his dad was .

It's got to be someone not closely involved with the family.

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motherinferior · 11/11/2008 13:19

Darling, have lost your email. Am pondering what to say - in the meantime whizz me one over.

OrmIrian · 11/11/2008 13:20

Thanks mou.

My life is full of joy. There are so many wonderful things in it. Honestly. But DH isn't one of them most of the time.

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OrmIrian · 11/11/2008 13:20

OK MI. Will do. Not at home atm.

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