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My DP's female friend

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Lynchian · 08/09/2008 11:27

I have nothing against my DP having female friends. However, there's one woman who seems to always push it that little bit too far. I am loath to say anything because they were friends long before I came along, but I'm starting to feel increasingly uncomfortable when she is around.

I am pregnant with our first child.

DP and I went out on Saturday and she was there. I get the feeling she'd had quite a lot to drink when we arrived, as she was on her own and as soon as we got there she joined us.

Her sister has recently been diagnosed as terminally ill, which is terribly sad, she's only in her mid-50s. DP's friend is very, very upset and I understand that she needs friends round her for support. I'm not a heartless cow, I like the woman (or I did until Saturday.).

I've noticed quite often on previous meetings that she's VERY touchy-feely with my DP. Stands with her arm round him when talking to him, touches him all the time. He's commented on this to me when drunk, but he doesn't remember, says sometimes she takes the physical contact a little bit too far and makes him feel a bit uncomfortable, however he thinks the world of her.

On Saturday we were at an open-air concert. My friend also came along, and even she noticed the level of physical contact between them. She puts her hand on his face when he talks to her. She puts her arm around him all the time. She stands and talks to him on the opposite side to where I am so nobody else can hear what they say to each other. At one point on Saturday, she was standing on her own, and he went over to ask her to join us. She didn't come, so he stayed with her. I went off to get drinks and when I came back they'd eventually come over to where we'd been standing. As soon as I got there she walked off again and stood on her own. She kept bringing red wine and topping up DP's drink with it but offering nobody else any.

Then at the end of the night he had to get something from her that she'd been keeping in her tent, so they went off through the mud for it, and she grabbed his hand. I walked with them, but slightly behind because I just found it bizarre. I think that was the final straw really, anything else I could've let lie, but hand in hand with her when I'm pregnant and struggling to balance in the mud myself was just too much. Too cosy.

I said to him, when we got home, that she'd been quite touchy-feely, and even my friend had commented. He just shrugged it off "she's always been like that". I said them walking through the field hand in hand made me feel odd. He said nothing had ever gone on. I believe him but I'm just not happy about it. It does make me feel weird, and is making me dislike her, when I don't want to dislike her, especially not now, when she's obviously hurting so much.

He is always the first one to withdraw from the physical contact that she makes. He seems to put up with it to a certain point, then get uncomfortable. I see her being touchy-feely with other people, but not to this extent. She also seems very guarded with me. She's interested in knowing all about me, but from other people, she never really asks me anything. She was very interested in finding out how my friend knew me, but only from my friend, when I started to tell the story she lost interest.

Not quite sure what to do about this, really. I don't know if I can just accept it though. It makes me really uncomfortable.

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MrsTittleMouse · 08/09/2008 15:12

Your DH needs to knock this on the head now. She is being completely manipulative and nasty. The trouble is that it's likely that you'll feel even more vunerable when you have a small baby.

Vian · 08/09/2008 15:17

Just be careful because women like her are very manipulative. She is indirectly trying to turn your dh against you. She will easily make you out to be the bad guy in all this. Your DH won't have a clue.

expatinscotland · 08/09/2008 15:18

God, she's sad.

How unbelievably pathetic.

marymungoandmidge · 08/09/2008 15:30

I think you have been amazingly calm and patient with this bitch woman. I would probably have had to say something outright by now, but I take my hat off to you because you have remained dignified...however, enough already because your guy really does have to wake up now and see her for what she is - so no more inviting her to anything OKAY? I would forget all about her...and actually dont really think that men can have really close women friends once they have a partner...or vice versa (someone always gets hurt/jealous)...She is not your friend, and clearly does not give a jot for you, and any bloody woman who thinks she can behave in this way in front of a man whose partner is pregnant should be ashamed of themselves ! Dont be eaten up by it just forget the old bat and get on with you, your partner and your little baby.....

morningpaper · 08/09/2008 15:37

I don't think the problem is HER, I think the problem is your DH

He needs to accept that you aren't comfortable with her expressing affection to him when you are around

He needs to set the boundaries

She sounds rather boring and needy TBH

morningpaper · 08/09/2008 15:39

The way I would probably deal with this is to do exactly what she is doing to your DH to HER when you are together

e.g. if she strokes his face, I would go right over to her and gaze into her eyes and stroke her face

She would get the message pretty quickly

But I am rather confrontational

ggglimpopo · 08/09/2008 15:40

Ask your dp how he would feel if you had a male friend who behaved like that with you......?

DwayneDibbley · 08/09/2008 15:53

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HeadFairy · 08/09/2008 16:07

She sounds like a typical blokes woman, sees all women as competition. The worst kind of woman IMO.

I have a "friend" who did this to me too, also when I was pg. I think pregnancy brings out the worst in these kind of women, maybe they're jealous. Of course, pregnancy hormones make you more vulnerable too, I remember crying buckets over the most trivial things - dh would go out with some friends after work and I'd be sobbing if he didn't get home by 10 o'clock!

If you do confront her, I wouldn't worry about upsetting her when she's going through her own problems. Obviously it's terribly sad to be losing her own sister, but that in no way gives her the right to behave this way. The two are very seperate, and if she throws it back in your face - "how could you at this time?" style - tell her it's nothing to do with her current situation, it would never be acceptible behaviour.

ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 08/09/2008 16:18

A few years ago I split up with a boyfriend and was really not over him. When we used to hang out we would cuddle, hold hands etc and I tried to tell myself it was just 'that kind of friendship'. Of course it was because I still had feelings for him.
Shamefully we carried on being like this when he started seeing someone (though not in front of her) and I was just so desperate to keep hold of his affection and attention that I carried on pretending to myself that it was just friendly.
Eventually we fell out over his girlfriend (he cancelled a plan with me to see her - absolutely fair enough!!!) and we didn't speak for a couple of months. That was about what I needed to get some perspective. I still missed him but realised what I had been doing. I was basically hanging on to the scraps of what I wanted - which was him. Of course he was also leading me on until he got a GF. My point is that - she may not have real feelings for him but she's using him as a substitute BF, and also asserting her dominance over you (it was very important to me that I knew him first)
The thing that really drove it home once and for all for me was when she got pregnant. Message loud and clear - he chooses her. This woman is behaving incredibly badly by contiinuing to do what she is doing. No matter how miserable she might be, you should be his priority and you are absolutely right to tell him so.

BlingLovin · 08/09/2008 16:25

Kat - thanks for sharing that! It makes me feel better. I have a good male friend who I've known for years. We've never been physically affectionate, in public or private, but we were very close and often when one of us got together with someone else, that would kind of stick around, slightly inappropriately for a little while in terms of the intimacy of information shared, emotional stuff etc.

But.. the big difference between me and my friend and your DH and his friend Lynchian, is that both of us were aware of how we'd wander off for long intense chats and that really ,it wasn't fair on the other one's partner and so fairly soon into our respective relationships (we both got together with people we're now marrying at around the same time), we pulled right back in terms of that frienship. We're still friends, but we've openly talked about the fact that our friendship isn't the same and that that's the way it should be - those kind of friendships aren't appropriate when you both have partners/families etc.

I agree with everyone else here, if your DH's friend isn't a good enough friend of his to respect that he has a wife, and a baby on the way, then he needs to set the boundaries with her. And to be honest, he should be reevaluating his friendship with her - what kind of a friend makes your wife that uncomfortable?

Celery · 08/09/2008 17:23

Blinglovin, I'm not sure I agree with you that it's inappropriate to share emotional quite intimate stuff with a friend of the opposite sex. After all, you would with a good friend of the same sex, but it is very important that there is a line that shouldn't be crossed, and where that line is definately depends on how the friends partner/wife feels. If at any time they become uncomfortable with the friendship, then that needs to be respected and addressed. Ultimately, it's about the wife/husband/partner coming first, above the friendship.

BlingLovin · 08/09/2008 17:41

Him and I still talk and have a certain closeness, of course, but the difference is that we don't meet up as often, we certainly don't wander off at group events and we don't share as much.

Celery, I agree that in theory it should be fine, but the reality is that it is different. Because the reason you have a male friend is often because he gives you a different perspective - something you don't want to lose when you get a partner, but at the same time, something you have to acknowledge. Male friends are not the same as female friends, no matter how much we'd like them to be.

I had lots of male friends before DP and most of them are still good friends, but the relationship does change. And come to think of it, my relationship with girlfriends changed a little too, although perhaps in different ways - less going out on the pull for a start! hahaha.

girlsnextdoor · 08/09/2008 17:57

I think that you can make your feelings known very clearly if you all meet again, without saying very much- withering looks may be all she needs and if she is so thick-skinned, then maybe you need to remind her that he is YOUR DH and that she needs tog et one of her own if she needs that amount of TLC.

piratecat · 08/09/2008 18:04

sounds like he's intimidated by her, and she's a rude, controlling ignorant arse.

silly cow, i would be V pissed off.

misselizabethbennett · 08/09/2008 18:13

Oh my god I'm seething at this woman. And a bit at your DH to be honest. This is wildly inappropriate behaviour, and if it bothers you now it may get even worse once you have the baby.

I would definitely tell my DH how I felt about this. Actually, I would demand that it stopped immediately and he cut off all contact with her.

And if it caused a row, then at least you can get out everything you're feeling and then talk it all out during the 'make-up' chat.

You are taking this much better than I would.

Lynchian · 08/09/2008 19:10

misselizabeth, I'm not taking it well - if I felt the need to post about it here it's obviously on my mind.

And I won't see DP now until Friday to talk about it with him, unless I do it on the phone tonight. Might be easier on the phone actually, at least I can hang up if it starts to piss me off too much.

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fizzbuzz · 08/09/2008 20:50

If it is making you uncomfortable (and quite rightly...I would go wild if anyone behaved like that to dp)then your dh should address it.

Where is his concern for you in this? They may have been friends for a long time, BUT, you are his wife not her. What was suitable behaviour for her and him pre-marriage is not suitable or acceptable after. Having a spouse, does change friendships, but this one seems to not want to move on for some reason.

I would trust your instinct, that is what it is there for.

I have to say, a long time go, when I was a student, I had a bf who had a friend like this. She was always hanging onto his arm, and making up to him. We split up, and of course they slept together. I re-unitied with bfand we were together for 10 years after that, but I never forgot the way she behaved towrds him, and the way he let her. Cosy intimate conversatins whilst I sat on the side.

I feel very angry for you tbh, I thi k your dh is treating you unfairly expecting you to put up with this.

Can I ask you honestly, do you really like this women as you say, or do you just put up with her. I would visciously hate a women who behaved like that with dp, to the point of cutting her dead with no compunction.

But then, perhaps I am just a cow! (but a self protective one), and would have had many many previous arguments with dp about it

fizzbuzz · 08/09/2008 20:52

Tell him you don't want anything to do with her anymore

Bellchops · 08/09/2008 21:41

I wouldn't blame it on the pregnancy hormones - it masks the problem. Her behaviour is unacceptable. I would:

a) Speak to DP and ask him to bring it up when the three of you are together. None of this chatting to her alone about it. That makes for more intimacy.

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b) Tell DP you are going to talk to her and why, get his 'buy in' and then fix a daytime date to discuss with her. When she does go running to your partner about it he will of course back you up.

This kind of behaviour makes me angry. Yes, it's the behaviour of a lonely woman, but that doesn't make it okay. And the situation with her sister isn't even part of the discussion. It was going on long before then and will continue long after.

Hope this helps. I would be utterly furious, pregnant or not. You and your feelings should come first in his life, not hers.

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Lynchian · 08/09/2008 22:30

It's sorted. Told him exactly how it made me feel. He couldn't have been better really, was absolutely gutted that it's made me feel this way and he's knocking it on the head straight away. Said he didn't notice because she's always been like that, but it's bang out of order and it'll never happen again. Said he wasn't particularly comfortable with the proximity himself.

I feel like an entire weight has been lifted.

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Megglevache · 08/09/2008 22:35

well done.

misselizabethbennett · 08/09/2008 23:16

Well done you. What a fantastic result. Men are weird, aren't they? You gotta love 'em.