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"But we took you to stately homes" - Part 4

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oneplusone · 09/08/2008 17:07

Can't beleive we're onto part 4, although i can't see this thread ever dying.

I was just reading through past posts to try and catch up on the months i have missed and something somebody said has triggered something for me. I know my mother didn't bond with me or love me and i think part of the reason why was because she thought i took after my dad whom she hates (although she is too gutless to leave him). I remember when i was young her saying things like my hair was like my dad's but she wouldn't say it an affectionate way, but quite a venomous way and it always made me feel uncomfortable when she said that but i must have been too young to figure out why.

The more i realise about my mother the more i despise and hate her. I remember she used to play hide and seek with me when i was very young, about 3. Only she would 'really' hide in a place i would never be able to find her. I remember crying and feeling completely distressed one time as i thought she had gone and left me alone at home. It was only after i had been crying for some time that she jumped out laughing from her hiding place. What a nasty, cruel, ugly piece of work and she parades around looking as if butter wouldn't melt and she has a lot of people fooled including my 2 sisters. I know my dad can see her for what she is which is why she hates him and i can see her true colours too which is why i hate her.

I know inside she is deeply insecure, lacks intelligence, strength and integrity. I have witnessed her lie, manipulate and cheat to get what she wants and the people to whom she lies and those who she manipulates are us, her own family. I just can't beleive my sisters cannot see through her, they are totally blind and deaf to her true character and have completely fallen for the victim role she has carved out for herself.

Cutting off my parents was the best thing i ever did and i have realised i need to set some boundaries with my sisters, my last remaining friend and even DH. How to do that is another thing, something completely new to me.

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smithfield · 19/11/2008 11:02

Also yep the pregnancy and postnatal threads are invaluable Ally. Have a look if you get a chance.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 19/11/2008 13:02

Ally

((((ally)))))))

Many hugs to you my friend.

Please don't be too hard on yourself; you are a great mum and this is a temporary blip brought on no doubt by your pregnancy hormones.

Think also that your therapist is an arse as well.

BTW thanks for your support on the controlling mothers thread. My DH has come from such a toxic environment and its bloody awful honestly. Any way outlaws are still being narcissitic and controlling - sigh. They will not change. His brother has not spoken to my DH since July and tbh we feel no sense of loss. I can only change how I react to them and seeing as these people cannot be reasoned at all with I have withdrawn as much as possible. Discretion is indeed the better part of valour.

My best wishes to you all on this thread.

Attila x

AttilaTheMeerkat · 19/11/2008 13:03

And I'd still love to get Raj Persaud around to their house to observe them for a week as he would doubtless come up with some interesting conclusions. All the dysfunctional elements are contained within that house.

Ally90 · 19/11/2008 16:09

Thank you guys! I had a little weep (again) at your posts feel better now. Spoke to dh last night and he helped me put it all in perspective and actually didn't say anything critical about my parenting he has very high standards/perfectionist so the fact he didn't say anything negative is kind of like winning an oscar

Yes being pg has a bit to do with it...but I've only been pg since June! What about the 6 mths of tv before that! But anyway...I've reevaluated my parenting skills again today and feel better. Going to stop asking dd for a hug as well don't think that is helping...I look for reassurance from her that she is close to me...and its a bit needy of me. So stopping asking if she wants a hug (which is how I phrase it). Suspect that could be a large part of the problem

Attila - glad your dh is keeping clear...hope your family are not pressuring you at all...loved that article on narcissist mothers rang a few bells. As for the controlling parents thread...well at least its a lively debate...keep fighting your corner.

Smithfield thanks for the hug much needed! And your good advice...and yes I would give that advice to myself...actually we should take that advice on board...trust our own advice to a friend and use it for ourselves. How are you after seeing your mother...anymore fall out from it?

Sakura - yup its a blip all gone today... ah well...at least I had you guys to turn to what would I do...anyhow how are you doing now...your 8 weeks now...ish...someone reminded me today I have 4 mths to go am I ready...agggghhhh!! Just got a new bed to get...let alone parenting two children...I will be fair I will be fair...how are you feeling about the parenting lark at the moment? Mickey aside And my dd knows 'all' the songs on cbeebies...

AN - yes I am trying too hard to be 'loving'. Hit the nail on the head with that...trying to 'force' the feeling. And it can come quite naturally just watching dd play with her toys. Will just try to be aware of the 'forced' feeling and maybe take myself off before I melt in a puddle of syrup in front of her...poor child...Hope your sorthing things out for yourself...your trying very hard from the posts you do...not critising...I think you are doing great doing what is right for you and your dc. It helps to spill.

Off now...meant to be soup for tea

Hugs and love to all xxx

AttilaTheMeerkat · 19/11/2008 17:02

Hi ally,

re your comment:-

"Attila - glad your dh is keeping clear...hope your family are not pressuring you at all...loved that article on narcissist mothers rang a few bells. As for the controlling parents thread...well at least its a lively debate...keep fighting your corner".

People certainly have a right to disagree - its when it gets personal that I don't like it. Veiled insults are a very poor way of being taken seriously so I dismiss it.

My own family are okay at present - they are not quite as mad as the other shower I have for relations.

DH is certainly keeping clear, we keep any visits to the absolute minimum but he will talk to his Mum on the phone. I am seen as the afterthought in that house and I know she hates my very being - she will greet DH and DS by name and just look at me when we walk inside that house of horrors.

Well I do write from experience on the above - Raj Persaud would be kept very busy by that lot of enabling, controlling narcissists. I have also come to the conclusion that my MIL is also narcissistic. BIL certainly is a narcissist. Its not funny, I feel for my DH because he grew up with this and has become conditioned to this as "normal". Even he realises now their behaviour is not at all healthy. Its all image with these people; they don't get jokes and have absolutely no personality or conversation of their own. My MIL even used the phrase "taking a leak" (borrowed from BIL) when going to the loo. Does any other MIL say this - I haven't come across it. Don't think FIL is narcissistic, he is more of a bystander in that triangle of dysfunction. I can sum them up by saying that they are all as mad as a box of frogs!.

Opinions are always welcome and particularly coping strategies!.

Attila

Sakura · 20/11/2008 00:51

Great article ally. My mother and MIL are both in there:

"Any time you are to be center stage and there is no opportunity for her to be the center of attention, she will try to prevent the occasion altogether, or she doesn稚 come, "

This is my mother trying to put the breaks on my wedding

"or she steals the spotlight"
this is my MIL at the birth of my child!

toomanystuffedbears · 20/11/2008 13:42

Hi Ally-
I hope you are doing better. With dd constantly being a little one ( of course she is little) and your pg condition and even more the constant fatigue that is like a huge addition to the mix-it is hard. I am glad that you have the honest self-reflection so you can "change gears" and try to limit the negatives.
Also, I hope you can do something nice for yourself.
Take care- (((hugs)))

castlesintheair · 20/11/2008 14:31

I was wondering if I qualify for this thread and maybe I could join? I could really do with some support and advice as noone I know in RL has similar experiences to me and I don't want to burden anyone who isn't like me, IYKWIM.

I feel so worn down by the endless cycle of truly awful behaviour, a lull, then emotional blackmail that I really can't be bothered anymore. I can't even be bothered to go into detail though I will of course if necessary.

My relationship with my father (parents divorced years ago) already only involves about 1 phone call a year. It's my mother that is the real problem for me. I would rather not have anything to do with her anymore but I carry this terrible guilt that I am making her unhappy. I know this is all part of the toxicity: I've been made to feel responsible for her happiness all my life. I know all these things. I know I am right and they are wrong but I am still at a loss.

Is therapy the only way to get over this? Or is it just chatting amongst friends?

ActingNormal · 20/11/2008 14:56

Castles, you sound like you understand yourself and your family well but have ingrained habitual ways of thinking which are no good for you. (Their fault for bringing you up like that not yours.) I'm sure therapy would help.

toomanystuffedbears · 20/11/2008 18:08

Hi Castlesintheair, welcome .
I've been thinking about the guilt feelings, too.

I have felt it in taking a break from my Middle Sister.

Getting beyond it might be a part of growing up. Talking about "growing up" may sound condescending, but I think it is somehow tied up in our process. Parents use mechanisms to keep the child in order. When the child is older-an adult -the parent perhaps can not recalibrate the relationship (?).

I am fishing here, so anyone pitch in.

The parent wants us stuck in child mode, because they have the guilt card-"all I've done for you"-"but we took you to stately homes"-"other people's children do this and that"-...

Basically, if we grow up then we hurt the parent, which may be what the toxic folks want us to believe. A healthy parent would be glad a child was independent physically as well as emotionally (as well as financially).

So we are kind of "held back" from certain areas of growing up by them. The guilt is probably the centerpiece of this.

To ditch the guilt, does that mean we don't care anymore? I don't think so.
It means we put ourselves on our list,
and care about ourselves-and we can decide with our own brains what we should feel guilty about. Dial into our own feelings, not "what would Dad think", not "what would Mother think", not "what would the neighbor think".

We can choose to not care anymore. And imho, I think that is valid after being worn down so much for so long-who wouldn't eventually get to the point of "Enough is enough!"

And I think that is a part of growing up-being able to think in
an autonomous, independent, individual way. The toxic parent loses control over his/her enabler. Eeeeeek! That is the last thing that the toxic ones want to have happen.

We will not be encouraged to grow up in this area by them. So we have to do it for ourselves, on our own. It is a leap, no doubt.

Ally-I'm sorry if my last post sounded condescending. I didn't mean to .

smithfield · 20/11/2008 19:43

Hi Castleintheair- welcome- relate to your post, especially the guilt bit.

TMSB- Fab post- Thankyou

Ally90 · 20/11/2008 20:21

Hi Castles it does get tiring doesn't it...sounds like you need to stop taking care of your mothers feelings and putting yours first.

TMSB, I actually thought your post was lovely and supportive not condescending at all!

oneplusone · 21/11/2008 10:39

Hi all, haven't posted for a while.

I just wanted to post a link that you might find useful. It's the NSPCC library, they have loads of books, articles, journals etc. If like me you are always reading material about this topic you will find it really helpful in finding books etc.

www.nspcc.org.uk/Inform/library/library_wda47732.html

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ActingNormal · 21/11/2008 16:30

Thanks OnePlusOne. My laptop froze when I clicked on the link but I did have a look at the nspcc website generally and there is a lot on there I would like to spend time reading. I think it will motivate me in developing my parenting. I've also found the Behaviour and Development section on here really motivating so thank you to whoever recommended that a while back. And all the support from everyone on this thread too.

My DH keeps talking about us adopting a child because all the stuff in the news lately has really affected him and he feels he wants us to do something to help at least one child. It is something I've often dreamed about doing because I was adopted myself and feel I have some understanding of what those children need but I never thought DH would want to do it.

It is really making me think because deep down I would really like to do it but I would have to be completely sure it was a sensible decision. I wonder if I am capable of being up to the job, because if I'm not then I won't put a child through it. Maybe I need to carry on working on my stuff for a bit longer even though I do feel most of the work with the therapist is done and I do feel a lot better even though not perfect.

I wonder if it would be selfish because so many childless people want to adopt and we would be in 'competition' with them.

I wonder if DH really could cope like he says he could when the child will quite possibly act like he/she doesn't like us and doesn't trust us and has emotional problems etc.

I wonder if it is fair on our existing children, if they will get less attention if we have another child who is hard work. I worry that we could get a child who is like my bro was and who would mistreat our existing children.

I wonder if PILs would treat him/her equally to the other grandchildren.

I'm sure lots of people we know would disapprove of the decision although DH says it is nothing to do with them.

Would an adoption panel even accept us on the list if they know I've been in therapy and have a brother in prison.

I'm thinking that if I really want to do this I should work REALLY hard on making my parenting skills really good and give myself a set time to improve and see if we both still feel strongly about doing it after that. This would really motivate me as well even if we then decided not to do it!

We might just be really reacting to the news lately although we've both talked on and off about having another baby. DH says why bring another baby into the world when there are unwanted babies who need a loving home.

I wonder if the wish to help unwanted children could be fulfilled another way, eg by getting a job/voluntary work in a children's home. We don't want to be foster parents because we couldn't cope when they had to leave.

oneplusone · 26/11/2008 13:55

Hi all, once again I haven't posted on here for a while. It's almost a case of so much has been going on I didn't know where to start if i did post. I still don't know where to start really.

One thing i have realised once again is that so much if not all of what i feel about DH (in a negative way) actually originates from when i was a child. I just don't seem to be able to make myself aware of it until it's too late and a load of resentment builds up in me against DH and we end up having a row and usually it's only then that i realise he has been triggering feelings in me from the past.

One instance i was aware that i was being 'triggered' was recently. DS was crying for his daddy, standing at the bottom of the stairs and really sobbing. I knew DH could hear DS but he seemed to be ignoring him. I then found myself thinking all sorts of negative things about DH but quickly realised that in fact these were feelings from my past. I felt DH was being cold, callous, hard-hearted and uncaring by not responding to DS when he was sobbing. But in fact this is how i must have felt about my parents, especially my dad when i was younger. I remember we used to have loads of rows and i usually used to end up sobbing and sometimes running out of the house. I knpow i desperately wanted one of my parents to run after me and take me back inside and tell me they loved me which of course they never did. At the time i must have felt that my parents were cold, uncaring, callous and hard-hearted as they showed no concern for me when i was obviously hugely upset and distressed. Instead they didn't seem to care at all and probably couldn't care less if i ran out of the house and never returned.

I also remember feeling that i was resented by my dad, that he felt angry and bitter towards me and wanted to wash his hands of me. I felt he got annoyed if i was ill and it meant he had to look after me as it was an extra chore for him to do. And i have been imagining DH somehow feels this way to me when it is simply not the case and i have only recently realised that those feelings were evoked by my dad many years ago. I felt that way for years though, so it is such a familiar feeling, it's almost my 'default' setting. I hope that now i am more aware of it i won't project my feelings onto DH so much.

I remember when i got my A level results. I didn't get enough points to go to my first choice of uni but they offered me a place for the following year. I was considering taking up their offer and perhaps working for a year or something. I remember mentioning this to my dad and he was totally against it and pretty much made me go to my second choice uni which had offered me a place that year. I remember feeling quite shocked and hurt that all my dad seemed to want to do was get me out of the house and off to uni asap. He certainly didn't seem to consider what would be in my best interests which would have been to go to the better uni a year later. He was just thinking about himself, he hated me and wanted me out from under his feet that year and therefore forced me to go to a uni i didn't really want to go to. He really resented me and was always very bitter towards me. He disliked me because i was hostile towards him because of his abuse but blamed me for my hostility, he refused to acknowledge that my hostility was solely as a result of his abuse. I probably reminded him every day of his dark side and by getting rid of me he was probably more able to forget what he had done to me when i was younger and pretend it had all never happened. He could play happy families with my 2 sisters who he hadn't abused and so weren't hostile towards him. Without me around the family was a lot 'happier' in his eyes, with less rows and anger. So, as if i didn't know already, i can see even more clearly now how i was made the scapegoat, the black sheep, blamed for the rows within the family, whilst my parents acted like innocent victims who had the misfortune to be burdened with a hostile, ungrateful daughter. What a vile pair my parents are, i hope they are suffering now.

I have also realised that after all my efforts to 'de-tox' from my parents' poison, by reading the letter sent by mum a while ago, i have actually been poisoned again. I have realised that what she said in the letter is constantly playing on my mind and making me angry. I already suspected that she would playing her victim role to the hilt with my sisters and i'm sure she is actually enjoying the extra attention they are probably giving her and the extra concern for her health and heart condition. When i spoke to my sister the other day, on the phone to me she sounded quite cold and unfriendly, even though she had said i should call her as we haven't spoken for a while. I have this constant feeling that whilst my sisters appear to want to be in touch with me and don't resent me for cutting off my parents, actually inside they do feel angry and resentful towards me because in their eyes i am the one who has upset our mother when she is a victim herself. I realise that it is not the case that they are completely blind to my mother's true character, as in relation to my sisters she has in fact been a much better mother. She seems to have a bond with both of them and does geniunely care about them and makes an effort to be there for them and support them including times when my dad is abusive towards them. She has never been this way with me, she and i have a completely different relationship, we are poles apart and have no bond or closeness, but i know my sisters just cannot imagine or comprehend this. The only experience they have of my mother is based on their own relationships with her and they just cannot conceive of her as a cold and distant and uncaring mother as she was with me.

I know i should just give up on a relationship with my sisters as i know i will forever be hurt and disappointed by them, they will always love our mother first and foremost, and i don't know if i even feature on their list. But if i do it seems so unfair, once again i have done nothing wrong, but because of my parents i have to suffer yet another loss. But there is no way of forcing them to understand my position and my relationship with my mother, even if i talked to them i just don't think they can understand. My middle sister once said to me that she has a different attitude to our parents than me. She thinks we have all been equally abused but that she is big hearted enough to forgive and forget and that i am just mean and harsh as i refuse to forgive and forget. The truth is of course that we have not been equally abused, i was far more severely abused than she was and i also did not have the benefit of a close and loving relationship with our mother, hence my attitude towards our parents. I would have thought my sister would understand this as i have explained it to her, but based on what she said, she clearly does not.

I feel guilty for tarring DH with the brush that belongs to my dad, but i don't know how to stop doing it. I need to try and make myself much more aware of when i am being triggered by DH, but that seems to be much easier said than done.

Ok, rant over, thanks to anyone who has read this far.

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oneplusone · 27/11/2008 14:49

Hi me again. I read some advice recently which i think is very good. It talked about making a list of each and every 'hurt' you have suffered, even the small and seemingly insignificant ones. You need to write out what happened to hurt you, how it made you feel at the time and how it is affecting you now. It doesn't matter why whoever it was hurt you did so, all you need to focus on is your feelings. In a way that is what i have been doing already, but in a very random way and often it's only when i'm 'triggered' that i work out what the 'hurt' from the past was and how it is affecting me now. This seems a much more organised and sensible way to do it and seems a good way to work through most of your buried feelings. It also said you should tell one person once about these 'hurts' so I will probably tell my counsellor tomorrow. But i thought i would make a start on here with things which i keep pushing away as being too trivial but they never actually go away, they keep coming back and that is a sign that they matter and are affecting you and should not be ignored.

One incident that never seems to go away for me is when I had first started working, so not all that many years ago. It was my first proper job and i decided to treat my whole family to a holiday over christmas. (Although i only could afford to pay for half the holiday, my mother paid the other half). But my 2 sisters didn't pay a penny towards it. Anyway, one day during the holiday we planned to do x the following day. But the following morning my 2 sisters came into our room (i was sharing with our mother and my 2 sisters were in another room) and the middle sister told me and my mother that she and younger sister had decided not to do x but y. She told us in a way that left no room for discussion and she didn't care that we had agreed to do x and that i might have been looking forward to it. She also said it in a way that implied that just her and younger sis would go off and do y and that i was not invited. I remember feeling really hurt and upset that middle sister was being so inconsiderate and nasty. It was made worse as i had paid for half the holiday and she didn't seem in the least bit grateful or appreciative of my generosity. If fact she just took it for granted and went as far as throwing it back in my face. I think this and other similar incidents involving my sisters have affected me today in that i am far less generous than i used to be and am in a way suppressing my true nature which is to be quite generous and giving. There were quite a few occasions with my sisters where i was generous with them and they really hurt me by not even getting me a wedding present. The more i think about it, they are quite a nasty, vile pair themselves, why i bother with them i don't know. They are just like my parents in fact. They are a pair of self righteous, ungrateful, arrogant tw*ts. Finally i am seeing them clearly, instead of through the rose tinted spectacles i have been wearing all this time.

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grin · 27/11/2008 20:01

Hello. New girl to the post so many apologies if I am in the wrong place/repeating what has been saidand responded to here a hundred times! I was sent in your direction by Smugaboo who kindly repsonded to a thread I started. I'm coming at this stuff from a different angle, but I think smugaboo was right to suggest that you may be exactly the people who could help. Here's the thing:
My gorge husband is currently having a really really hard time, and I am wondering if anyone can offer me advice on how to support him. His Dad left when he was young, kept in touch, let him down a lot but kept building him back up in between. It's come to a bit of a head recently and he has decided that to protect his own feelings/happiness he needs to cut ties (he hasn't said whether for good or just for a bit). This is the first time he's been in control of it all, which I know makes him feel better, but he is struggling with the emotion and magnitude.
He is talking to me about it but I don't feel I'm helping him very much. Anyone been through similar? Or any wise owls out there who can help me?
Thanks all.

more · 28/11/2008 10:47

You are doing the right thing if you are listening, even if he is repeating himself over and over all the time.
It helps me so much having my husband who is willing to listen whenever I feel the need "go through it all" again and again.

ActingNormal · 28/11/2008 15:08

Grin, I agree with More. Also I think you are right about your DH feeling better if he feels he is more in control of the situation. Before, he couldn't control or predict when his dad was going to let him down again. If your DH refuses to let him disappoint him anymore by not expecting anything from his dad and only seeing him if and when he wants to in the future then he can 'relax' a bit and stop thinking about him so much. I felt a big relief when I decided my parents were not going to change into the parents I would have wanted, so gave up hoping and getting disappointed, and decided I didn't need them but would get what I needed from other people. I do still see them though so I'm not an expert on how it feels to cut off. I imagine he feels loss and loneliness even if his dad was rubbish. It was probably like not having a dad before but cutting off makes this more real so the grief comes to the surface more.

grin · 28/11/2008 22:47

Thank you so much for your thoughts. I agree about the loss thing, it certainly seems to be a grieving process. And thanks ActingNormal for your comment about parents not changing into what you wanted - I think that is exactly how he has felt over the last few years, and before that he was certainly still hoping that his Dad would change. I think it has all been brought into focus by having our son - it certainly made me re-evaluate and consider my own youth and my relationships, and I am lucky enough to have an ace family. It has done the same for him but without the lovely reminiscing part. Years ago (pre-marriage and baby) he once told me he was scared of turning into his Dad when he had kids, and now he sees he hasn't (he is an utterly brilliant father) it has made him think again about how his own Dad could've behaved like that.
Sorry - went on a bit there! You definitely got me thinking. Thanks again for your help.

ActingNormal · 29/11/2008 11:02

Yes, I found that as well - when I had my own children and realised I could NEVER be the way my family were with me, it felt like a shock, even though I'd known about it all my life. I realised how crap they really are/were!

grin · 30/11/2008 18:59

That must be so hard. I guess the positive to take from that is how fondly and positively your children will remember their upbringing.
DH and I had another teary chat yesterday and with each one I think he feels a little better. I'm really grateful for your thoughts.

ActingNormal · 01/12/2008 10:50

Grin, you sound like such a kind person, he is lucky to have you

ActingNormal · 01/12/2008 10:55

OnePlusOne, I so agree with you that there are some things that upset us and continue to affect the way we are now but those things SEEM so trivial that we feel stupid about thinking about them too much so we don't deal with them and they continue to affect us! I'm not sure about dwelling on every little thing that was bad and becoming more and more upset but I think we should definitely think about each thing but with the approach of CHALLENGING the way it continues to affect us - so feel the badness and "honour your feelings" (which my therapist so loves saying) but don't leave it at that but challenge whether you should continue to feel the same about things now.

ActingNormal · 01/12/2008 11:18

The thing with families is, when you are growing up with them you need them to love you and if they don't you try to get them to love you. You have less power when you are a child to find other people who will treat you the way you want to be treated. When you are an adult you can get rejected/treated badly by someone and decide to let them go and look for other people who are better but when you are a child you are a lot more dependent on your family (who you can't choose). The habit of trying to make them love you stays with you as an adult until you challenge it.

Everybody gets rejected now and then, even the 'cool' ones, and most people can let it go more easily if they have had a loving family background because they feel more secure in the knowledge that they CAN be loved/wanted (because they were) and can find someone else. If you never felt loved and wanted you doubt whether you are lovable and whether anyone CAN want you, so little everyday type rejections as an adult affect you disproportionately more. The thing is - which is hard to get into your head but TRUE - that you are just as lovable as all the other people (unless you know you are doing truly horrible evil things the whole time, which most of us are not).

Now that we are adults (I often don't feel like one and think everybody sees me as a child though) we can choose not to try to get family to love us and keep getting disappointed anymore. We have more power to get what we need elsewhere. We need to allow ourselves to feel ALL the sadness of how things were AND challenge the feeling that we are not as loveable as everybody else and go and take a few little emotional risks by trying to connect with people. Let the rejections (which there will be some) go and try with someone else.

I'm doing this on Facebook at the moment (there seems so much opportunity for rejection on there!). Some people have not responded to my 'friend requests' or messages but some people HAVE! Lots of people seem to have over 100 friends listed and I only have 15 so far and feel a bit inferior about that when I let myself but have to keep saying to myself 15 people DO want me, it is possible for people to want me!

This post is 'telling myself' 'advice' as much as being directed at any of you. I would hate to think people thought I was being a 'know it all'.

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