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Are we being unfair to MIL?

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DiscontinuedModelHusband · 30/06/2026 15:59

My DW's and my relationship with my MIL (DW's mother) is deteriorating rapidly, and we're wondering if we're being unfair to her?

My DW and her mother (MIL) have always had a complicated relationship.

DW was a much cherished "gift" baby, after a very difficult time.

PIL (both in their 80s) have a borderline toxic relationship, but have remained married ostensibly "for the children", but at least as much for convenience (if not happiness). This has caused a lot of guilt for DW, as the "cause" of PIL's long-term unhappiness.

One of our DCs came out as gay 3 or 4 years ago. PIL are strong Christians - MIL especially - and this initially caused some issues.

Fast forward 2 or 3 years, and a couple of relationships later, and this DC is in a settled relationship with a lovely, sociable partner, who treats our DC just as you'd hope.

As is normal, DC's partner visits us a lot, and they are increasingly present at family gatherings.

MIL has acted appallingly at the majority of these. She has purposefully blanked and ignored them, will get up and leave the room if they enter, and refuses to have any sort of conversation with them at all.

I could probably count on one hand the number of times she's even uttered a cursory greeting or acknowledgement to them.

This has been very hurtful to DC, because they've watched MIL for years be the sweet doting grandmother, the first to welcome and engage with any new partners, always asking about families, education, work etc.

DW called MIL out on this after a couple of incidents, and MIL responded with a jumbled list of excuses/responses:
"i don't know them, why would i need to talk to them at all?"
"i don't like them, i don't like the way they treat DC"
"it's disgusting how they just grope each other all the time" (after some hand-holding)
"i don't like them, they're just ruling the relationship, and DC just doesn't see it"
"DC doesn't need me to like their partner, they can just go off and be happy with their own lives"

Things have basically escalated from there, with MIL doubling-down on her position, then fawning over more recent partners in the wider family.

DW continues to call MIL out on this behaviour, and at one point DC very calmly and kindly tried to sit MIL down and explain how hurtful this behaviour was.

Nothing has made the slightest bit of difference.

MIL claims we're trying to force her into a falsely close relationship with partner, and that it would be a betrayal of her beliefs, and that she needs time.

This really isn't the case - we're happy to give her time, and we're not expecting her to be all gushy and over the top - just to be baseline civil - say hello, goodbye etc, and not be overtly rude, and take the time to see that partner is actually a very sweet and caring person.

The result of all of this, is that what was once a very close relationship between DW, DCs and MIL is now dwindling to nothing.

MIL is raging against this, claiming that we're brainwashing our other DCs into accepting this relationship, that she's had counselling and her counsellor has told her we're being abusive, and that she needs to establish stronger boundaries with us to protect herself.

She won't acknowledge any of the double-standards in her behaviour, or that her issue is basically bigotry, maintaining that she's absolutely the victim.

DW finds it very hard, because her relationship with MIL was always extremely close (co-dependent/enmeshed for a long time, probably), and she has a lot of guilt about upsetting MIL.

But at the same time, she's determined to advocate for all our DCs' happiness, however that is achieved.

Are we expecting too much from MIL?
In our efforts to allow our DCs to establish their own lives, are we being too insensitive to those of a more conservative viewpoint?

Apologies - that was very long!

OP posts:
ChickenBananaBanana · 30/06/2026 16:01

I'd be having a lot less to do with her if she's homophobic tbh

TaupeOrca · 30/06/2026 16:01

You need to cut her off before your child cuts you off for tolerating this

bonkersbongo · 30/06/2026 16:04

I’d let your wife maintain some sort of relationship with her mum but ban her from any family get together seeing as she’s such a bigot

WhatAMarvelousTune · 30/06/2026 16:08

I think you’re being far too generous towards this horrible woman. I wouldn’t be seeing her at all if she was going to refer to my child holding their same sex partner’s hand as “disgusting”.

TheyGrewUp · 30/06/2026 16:08

I'm a practicing christian. The best vicar I ever had was gay. Perhaps your mother/MIL needs to be reminded that Christians accept everyone and believe in forgiveness. Remind her that Mary Magdalene washed Jesus's feet and that he respected her.

Being homophobic has nothing to do with being a Christian. I reserve judgement in relation to the christianity of some of the fundamentalist churches under the Anglican umbrella.

MsTrish · 30/06/2026 16:10

She’s just showing you who she is. And reducing or removing that level of toxic behaviour is the next logical step. Be clear with her that whilst she chooses this behaviour, she chooses the consequence. Then arrange lovely things with your own family and establish who you guys want to be.

Larrythecatforpm · 30/06/2026 16:13

My very religious nan was like this with her own son, cut him off for years after trying to convert him back to being straight. 30 years later she goes on hoildays with them, stays in their home for christmas and my uncles husband is like a son to her now etc. It took the whole family to tell her she was out of order and that she would fall out with everyone to swallow her pride and accept it.
She heavily regrets her past behaviour, so band together and tell her you all won’t stand for her homophobia.

CookedToddler · 30/06/2026 16:13

Side with your children before they go no contact with you. Leave the MIL to jt and encourage your children

Morechocmorechoc · 30/06/2026 16:15

TheyGrewUp · 30/06/2026 16:08

I'm a practicing christian. The best vicar I ever had was gay. Perhaps your mother/MIL needs to be reminded that Christians accept everyone and believe in forgiveness. Remind her that Mary Magdalene washed Jesus's feet and that he respected her.

Being homophobic has nothing to do with being a Christian. I reserve judgement in relation to the christianity of some of the fundamentalist churches under the Anglican umbrella.

I think you are wrong here. The Bible talks about this and says it is wrong so most true practicing Christians feel this way. Before you jump on me I am Christian and do not feel this way at all and cannot stand this type of behaviour. OP you have to protect your child above your mil, its a horrible situation.

HoppityBun · 30/06/2026 16:15

Hi OP.

You might find this helpful because Bart Ehrman is thorough, clear and without an axe to grind. He’s ex evangelical. There’s plenty of stuff in the Hebrew bible that Christians are selective about.

Remember that Paul never knew Jesus, some of the writings attributed to him are now known not to have been written by him and some writings contradict what is written about Jesus’s teachings.

I am an atheist, but from memory the only instructions from Jesus were to keep the commandments and to love one another.
https://www.bartehrman.com/is-being-gay-a-sin-in-the-bible/

Your MiL is a narrow minded fool and your DC comes first. Good wishes

Edited to add that the article isn’t by Bart Ehrman but is on his website where you can find more information

Is Being Gay a Sin in the Bible?

Is being gay a sin? This article examines biblical passages on homosexuality, exploring historical context, translation issues, and ancient views of sexuality to show why interpretations are complex.

https://www.bartehrman.com/is-being-gay-a-sin-in-the-bible/

Bigtrapeze · 30/06/2026 16:26

OP, it is one thing to tolerate the less palatable prejudices of the older generation but it is entirely different to overlook MIL being rude to a person in your home based on this view.

I think you don't invite them both to the same event, with the focus being on inclusion of your DC and the exclusion of MIL. See MIL separately and don't discuss DC's relationship with her. She can object to it if she chooses but she will then be excluded from it, which might lead to less invitations.

If another family member is doing the inviting be polite but be ready to support DC and partner against any unwarranted comments from MIL. She needs to choose between being polite or being left out.

You are probably a better person than me, but I would struggle not to point out how far from Jesus' own teachings her behaviour falls. I might say that, like Jesus, I will cross the road to welcome everyone into my home regardless of their faith or sexuality and it is a shame that isn't her take on Christianity.

But like I say, you sound more patient. I think if you don't take a polite stand here you will be condoning her behaviour and that isn't right. Your DC and partner come first in my book, OP.

Skybluepinky · 30/06/2026 16:27

Put Your child before your MIL.

Bigtrapeze · 30/06/2026 16:29

Larrythecatforpm · 30/06/2026 16:13

My very religious nan was like this with her own son, cut him off for years after trying to convert him back to being straight. 30 years later she goes on hoildays with them, stays in their home for christmas and my uncles husband is like a son to her now etc. It took the whole family to tell her she was out of order and that she would fall out with everyone to swallow her pride and accept it.
She heavily regrets her past behaviour, so band together and tell her you all won’t stand for her homophobia.

Edited

This is a bit of a beacon of hope. Fingers crossed OP has a similar experience.

DiscontinuedModelHusband · 30/06/2026 16:31

Thank you to all that have responded so far - I like to think I'm an open and fair-minded person, and don't feel like we're being unfair, but there's always a nagging feeling that maybe in our efforts to be supportive of DC, we've been clumsy or insensitive.

To be clear, DC knows we 100% support them, and that if it ever came down to it, we would step back completely from MIL (DW has suggested this, but DC hasn't wanted to - and wanted to give MIL chance to come round).

MIL has never outwardly admitted it's related to bigotry/homophobia - in fact she will come up with 100 different reasons/excuses that prove it's not.

It's just that 99% of these excuses are palpably nonsense, or are in direct contradiction with other behaviour.

OP posts:
BeRoseSloth · 30/06/2026 16:33

Morechocmorechoc · 30/06/2026 16:15

I think you are wrong here. The Bible talks about this and says it is wrong so most true practicing Christians feel this way. Before you jump on me I am Christian and do not feel this way at all and cannot stand this type of behaviour. OP you have to protect your child above your mil, its a horrible situation.

My understanding is that Jesus was entirely silent on homosexuality.

ChipswithMayonnaise · 30/06/2026 16:37

Morechocmorechoc · 30/06/2026 16:15

I think you are wrong here. The Bible talks about this and says it is wrong so most true practicing Christians feel this way. Before you jump on me I am Christian and do not feel this way at all and cannot stand this type of behaviour. OP you have to protect your child above your mil, its a horrible situation.

The sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was violation of guests, not gayness.

I am Roman Catholic, and agree with Fr James Martin SJ https://outreach.faith/2025/12/who-can-lgbtq-catholics-look-up-to-role-models-both-past-and-present/

Even if I didn't, love/charity towards others is a sine qua non.

Father James Martin: Who can LGBTQ Catholics look up to? Role models past and present - Outreach

LGBTQ Catholics can find role models for their lives not only in the Bible and history, but even in the church today.

https://outreach.faith/2025/12/who-can-lgbtq-catholics-look-up-to-role-models-both-past-and-present/

OutOfApricots · 30/06/2026 16:37

She's a bigot and appallingly homophobic, and is prepared to be disgustingly rude to people whose lifestyle she dislikes.

There's only one thing for it, isn't there?

ChipswithMayonnaise · 30/06/2026 16:43

Essentially, she is discriminating against your child and bullying their partner. Please don't subject them to her any longer.

Perhaps raise the question of dementia with her GP? Nobody's brain is 100% in their 80s and her personality may be growing blunter. What are her oxygen sats like?

But really, protect your child and their loved one.

TheBewleySisters · 30/06/2026 16:50

@Morechocmorechoc What does Jesus say about homosexuality? Or are you only interested in the Old Testament?

OutOfApricots · 30/06/2026 16:53

Morechocmorechoc · 30/06/2026 16:15

I think you are wrong here. The Bible talks about this and says it is wrong so most true practicing Christians feel this way. Before you jump on me I am Christian and do not feel this way at all and cannot stand this type of behaviour. OP you have to protect your child above your mil, its a horrible situation.

I feel as you do. It is quite possible to be a Christian and vehemently disagree with some of the teachings in the Bible. It is also possible to be a Christian and no longer go to church because you can no longer accept the patronisingly sexist, bigoted, homophobic and intolerant views held by some other members of the congregation.

Delphiniumandlupins · 30/06/2026 17:10

As everyone else has said, support your DC and their partner. If your MiL is refusing to admit her homophobia challenge her rudeness. Let her know that is why she is excluded from family events, because she is being rude to your guest.

Mygardenshedisfallingdown · 30/06/2026 17:13

I have two gay adult kids ans I will defend them to the death against anyone who acted like your mil. Tbh I would have cut her out of my life years ago for her appaling behaviour.
If she has really had counselling, the counsellor sounds like a complete idiot with the abuse rubbish.

DancingAtLunacy · 30/06/2026 17:13

This sounds really hard OP, and it all needs to come to a head in some way. Do you think it would be helpful if DC went to see her alone, or wrote a letter, explaining how her behaviour is impacting them and how it may cause a permanent rift? Your wife should also make crystal clear if she is included in future family events she’s only welcome as long as she is going to be as welcoming to your guests. It is NOT too late for her to learn some manners and hopefully realise she won’t be getting any brownie points in the afterlife for acting like a complete bitch in this one. But if she doesn’t, then that’s her call. Don’t allow her to take the shine off your happy occasions anymore, it’s not fair.

But also, might not be the worst thing for DW to start to disentangling herself from the dynamic. Her DM isn’t very nice, and has far too much power, and it’ll only get worse the more help she needs the older she gets, putting some boundaries in place now would help. Unfortunately this site is absolutely rammed with posters tearing their hair out over their difficult/intractable aging family. I swear, once they hit their mid 70s, some of them start being bigger brats than any toddlers!

Ewock · 30/06/2026 17:20

She sounds intolerant and vile. If I was dw I would be telling her clearly that if she can not be civil then she will not be invited to be around any of the dc for any event

AnonyMumAuDHD · 30/06/2026 17:34

Sorry - my PiLs are 85. They would never demonstrate such blatant homophobia. I’m afraid I would not be inviting them to family gatherings if they cannot contain their behaviour. I’d be the same if they were racist, anti-semitic, or even just uncouth. Old age is not a get-out for shitty behaviour. I’m afraid I’d be supporting DC (and their partner). Not least, because you would want your DC to be a part of your life for many decades in future. How you respond now will shape that relationship.

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