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Are we being unfair to MIL?

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DiscontinuedModelHusband · 30/06/2026 15:59

My DW's and my relationship with my MIL (DW's mother) is deteriorating rapidly, and we're wondering if we're being unfair to her?

My DW and her mother (MIL) have always had a complicated relationship.

DW was a much cherished "gift" baby, after a very difficult time.

PIL (both in their 80s) have a borderline toxic relationship, but have remained married ostensibly "for the children", but at least as much for convenience (if not happiness). This has caused a lot of guilt for DW, as the "cause" of PIL's long-term unhappiness.

One of our DCs came out as gay 3 or 4 years ago. PIL are strong Christians - MIL especially - and this initially caused some issues.

Fast forward 2 or 3 years, and a couple of relationships later, and this DC is in a settled relationship with a lovely, sociable partner, who treats our DC just as you'd hope.

As is normal, DC's partner visits us a lot, and they are increasingly present at family gatherings.

MIL has acted appallingly at the majority of these. She has purposefully blanked and ignored them, will get up and leave the room if they enter, and refuses to have any sort of conversation with them at all.

I could probably count on one hand the number of times she's even uttered a cursory greeting or acknowledgement to them.

This has been very hurtful to DC, because they've watched MIL for years be the sweet doting grandmother, the first to welcome and engage with any new partners, always asking about families, education, work etc.

DW called MIL out on this after a couple of incidents, and MIL responded with a jumbled list of excuses/responses:
"i don't know them, why would i need to talk to them at all?"
"i don't like them, i don't like the way they treat DC"
"it's disgusting how they just grope each other all the time" (after some hand-holding)
"i don't like them, they're just ruling the relationship, and DC just doesn't see it"
"DC doesn't need me to like their partner, they can just go off and be happy with their own lives"

Things have basically escalated from there, with MIL doubling-down on her position, then fawning over more recent partners in the wider family.

DW continues to call MIL out on this behaviour, and at one point DC very calmly and kindly tried to sit MIL down and explain how hurtful this behaviour was.

Nothing has made the slightest bit of difference.

MIL claims we're trying to force her into a falsely close relationship with partner, and that it would be a betrayal of her beliefs, and that she needs time.

This really isn't the case - we're happy to give her time, and we're not expecting her to be all gushy and over the top - just to be baseline civil - say hello, goodbye etc, and not be overtly rude, and take the time to see that partner is actually a very sweet and caring person.

The result of all of this, is that what was once a very close relationship between DW, DCs and MIL is now dwindling to nothing.

MIL is raging against this, claiming that we're brainwashing our other DCs into accepting this relationship, that she's had counselling and her counsellor has told her we're being abusive, and that she needs to establish stronger boundaries with us to protect herself.

She won't acknowledge any of the double-standards in her behaviour, or that her issue is basically bigotry, maintaining that she's absolutely the victim.

DW finds it very hard, because her relationship with MIL was always extremely close (co-dependent/enmeshed for a long time, probably), and she has a lot of guilt about upsetting MIL.

But at the same time, she's determined to advocate for all our DCs' happiness, however that is achieved.

Are we expecting too much from MIL?
In our efforts to allow our DCs to establish their own lives, are we being too insensitive to those of a more conservative viewpoint?

Apologies - that was very long!

OP posts:
tinyspiny · 30/06/2026 17:39

Ewock · 30/06/2026 17:20

She sounds intolerant and vile. If I was dw I would be telling her clearly that if she can not be civil then she will not be invited to be around any of the dc for any event

Agree with this , our eldest is gay and I’d be less tolerant than the OP / wife has been .

JustGiveMeReason · 30/06/2026 17:49

TheyGrewUp · 30/06/2026 16:08

I'm a practicing christian. The best vicar I ever had was gay. Perhaps your mother/MIL needs to be reminded that Christians accept everyone and believe in forgiveness. Remind her that Mary Magdalene washed Jesus's feet and that he respected her.

Being homophobic has nothing to do with being a Christian. I reserve judgement in relation to the christianity of some of the fundamentalist churches under the Anglican umbrella.

Agree.

@DiscontinuedModelHusband I would not invite your MiL to attend any events your dc are at until she can learn to treat them with respect at a very minimum.

FofB · 30/06/2026 17:51

Op, I never pick people up on their language- but on this occasion, I'm going to. You say your partner is determined to advocate for DC- of course; and I'm assuming this is the case for you. I would challenge you and say stop pissing around with 'advocating' your children and stand up and say no more. 1 more comment, 1 more issue and she can go.

Homophobic crime is on the rise- and your child needs to know that you will defend them at all costs. It's a disgrace that she needs to sit her down and explain stuff to her grandma, in an attempt to get her to accept it. It's about time your child knows that, without doubt, if someone wants to pull this shit on her, they are going to have to deal with the consequences.

SandyHappy · 30/06/2026 17:59

It's nothing to do with her beliefs and everything to do with her behaviour, if a guest in my house could not be civil to other guests then they would no longer be invited round to family gatherings.

shockthemonkey · 30/06/2026 18:01

she's had counselling and her counsellor has told her we're being abusive, and that she needs to establish stronger boundaries with us to protect herself.”

Let her set those boundaries, and as a special favour, help her jolly well stick to them!!!

Vaxtable · 30/06/2026 18:11

I would stop inviting her to family things and your wife can go and see her on her own

JLou08 · 30/06/2026 18:34

I would've cut her out of my life already and I've never cut anyone out.

FrustratedApples · 30/06/2026 19:20

I'm a Christian and I understand the Bible to teach that homosexual activity is wrong. I also understand that the Bible teaches that absolutely everyone, homosexual or not, has failed to live rightly before God, so people in homosexual relationships are no worse and no better before God than anyone else. The Bible teaches that every person should be treated with respect and dignity as made in the image of God. It also records how Jesus was denounced as the friend of tax collectors, protlstitutes and "sinners" - people who encountered societal disapprobation, but also those who were looked down on or shunned by religious people.

The way your MIL is acting is very much not in a Christian manner.

I would be telling her that if she is not willing to act with basic politeness, she will not be invited to any family events.

Toffeepieandcream · 01/07/2026 11:07

No, it sounds like you and your wife are being extremely patient with mother in law. I'm glad your child knows that you fully support them and their partner. It's sad and difficult, especially for your wife, but it's your MIL's fault that she's homophobic and you can't force her to be otherwise. My son is gay and so is my sister's son. My father is christian and, though he's very old fashioned (also in his 80s) he fully welcomes and is very friendly to partners and accepts the fact that his grandsons are gay. I don't know what you and your wife can do in this situation apart from continue standing by your child. I hope your MIL comes to see that she's being rude and unfair.

SalmonOnFinnCrisp · 01/07/2026 11:12

The solve is you and DW see her individually....

Any family gathering type things you just dont invite her.
If she asks why, she's told why.

It's not right - she's entitled to her opinion but she should be polite.

PepsiBook · 01/07/2026 11:13

If my child was gay and my mother treated them this way she would absolutely not be involved in anything else we did.
Support your child. You've spoken to your mum and she is still acting this way, do not invite her to events.
If you still want to see her, see her alone.
She sounds nasty.

MageKing · 01/07/2026 11:16

I think there's a fairly good chance that DD is gay. She's still only just a teenager so perhaps it's just a phase but its on my radar (and hers). My father is very elderly and overall, not particularly comfortable with the concept of homosexuality. I can imagine a situation where he doesn't love the fact that she's gay.

I also 100% know that he would never act in a way that was inappropriate, rude, or inhospitable to anyone in our famiy home. me and DSis both have gay friends and I have never had a moment's hesitation in hosting events with them and my parents (well, mum was never the issue. haha. She just wants love stories - doesn't care who is in the love story!).

Your MIL's behaviour is appalling. I would calmly but gently tell her that if she can't be polite and not rude that she will no longer be invited to events at which your DC and their partner are present. And that, obviously, you will be prioritising your DC eg christmas etc.

Ponderingwindow · 01/07/2026 11:23

You don’t have to cut off MIL, but she should not be attending family events you host. Your daughter and her partner should never feel unwelcome in their own family.

You and your wife can maintain a separate relationship with the MIL. It does not need to be a secret. Your children just should not have to deal with her behavior. It is up to you to be the buffer.

DiscontinuedModelHusband · 01/07/2026 11:29

MageKing · 01/07/2026 11:16

I think there's a fairly good chance that DD is gay. She's still only just a teenager so perhaps it's just a phase but its on my radar (and hers). My father is very elderly and overall, not particularly comfortable with the concept of homosexuality. I can imagine a situation where he doesn't love the fact that she's gay.

I also 100% know that he would never act in a way that was inappropriate, rude, or inhospitable to anyone in our famiy home. me and DSis both have gay friends and I have never had a moment's hesitation in hosting events with them and my parents (well, mum was never the issue. haha. She just wants love stories - doesn't care who is in the love story!).

Your MIL's behaviour is appalling. I would calmly but gently tell her that if she can't be polite and not rude that she will no longer be invited to events at which your DC and their partner are present. And that, obviously, you will be prioritising your DC eg christmas etc.

How you feel your DF would react is exactly how FIL is.

Despite MIL's protests that in private he feels the same as she does, he is his normal affable self with partner, and however he feels privately absolutely doesn't show outwardly.

MIL hates this "falseness" - if indeed it is falseness, and not just her projecting her own feelings onto him (which she also has form for).

We have stopped holding events at ours where PIL and partner will both attend - everything is now separate.

It's events organised by others, including PIL that are the difficult ones.
But increasingly, if partner's around, we have been declining and doing our own things.

OP posts:
DeepRubySwan · 01/07/2026 11:46

Being homophobic is not a belief. It's bigotry and puts your wife in a very difficult position. I have no advice just to say that I do feel for you both.

Sassylovesbooks · 01/07/2026 18:20

Your MIL doesn't have to like or agree with your child's sexuality but she should respect it and be civil/polite.

Your MIL clearly isn't going to be polite/civil to your child's partner. She's homophobic and can't see beyond her own opinion. No one is forcing her to like or accept her grandchild's sexuality, but there's no need for her to be rude, that's not acceptable.

I'm assuming your child is an adult? It's therefore down to your child, how they wish to proceed going forward regarding their grandmother.

I personally wouldn't be inviting your MIL to family gatherings. Her attitude towards her own grandchild and partner is dreadful....she needs to be told this by your wife.

MMUmum · 01/07/2026 18:53

DiscontinuedModelHusband · 30/06/2026 15:59

My DW's and my relationship with my MIL (DW's mother) is deteriorating rapidly, and we're wondering if we're being unfair to her?

My DW and her mother (MIL) have always had a complicated relationship.

DW was a much cherished "gift" baby, after a very difficult time.

PIL (both in their 80s) have a borderline toxic relationship, but have remained married ostensibly "for the children", but at least as much for convenience (if not happiness). This has caused a lot of guilt for DW, as the "cause" of PIL's long-term unhappiness.

One of our DCs came out as gay 3 or 4 years ago. PIL are strong Christians - MIL especially - and this initially caused some issues.

Fast forward 2 or 3 years, and a couple of relationships later, and this DC is in a settled relationship with a lovely, sociable partner, who treats our DC just as you'd hope.

As is normal, DC's partner visits us a lot, and they are increasingly present at family gatherings.

MIL has acted appallingly at the majority of these. She has purposefully blanked and ignored them, will get up and leave the room if they enter, and refuses to have any sort of conversation with them at all.

I could probably count on one hand the number of times she's even uttered a cursory greeting or acknowledgement to them.

This has been very hurtful to DC, because they've watched MIL for years be the sweet doting grandmother, the first to welcome and engage with any new partners, always asking about families, education, work etc.

DW called MIL out on this after a couple of incidents, and MIL responded with a jumbled list of excuses/responses:
"i don't know them, why would i need to talk to them at all?"
"i don't like them, i don't like the way they treat DC"
"it's disgusting how they just grope each other all the time" (after some hand-holding)
"i don't like them, they're just ruling the relationship, and DC just doesn't see it"
"DC doesn't need me to like their partner, they can just go off and be happy with their own lives"

Things have basically escalated from there, with MIL doubling-down on her position, then fawning over more recent partners in the wider family.

DW continues to call MIL out on this behaviour, and at one point DC very calmly and kindly tried to sit MIL down and explain how hurtful this behaviour was.

Nothing has made the slightest bit of difference.

MIL claims we're trying to force her into a falsely close relationship with partner, and that it would be a betrayal of her beliefs, and that she needs time.

This really isn't the case - we're happy to give her time, and we're not expecting her to be all gushy and over the top - just to be baseline civil - say hello, goodbye etc, and not be overtly rude, and take the time to see that partner is actually a very sweet and caring person.

The result of all of this, is that what was once a very close relationship between DW, DCs and MIL is now dwindling to nothing.

MIL is raging against this, claiming that we're brainwashing our other DCs into accepting this relationship, that she's had counselling and her counsellor has told her we're being abusive, and that she needs to establish stronger boundaries with us to protect herself.

She won't acknowledge any of the double-standards in her behaviour, or that her issue is basically bigotry, maintaining that she's absolutely the victim.

DW finds it very hard, because her relationship with MIL was always extremely close (co-dependent/enmeshed for a long time, probably), and she has a lot of guilt about upsetting MIL.

But at the same time, she's determined to advocate for all our DCs' happiness, however that is achieved.

Are we expecting too much from MIL?
In our efforts to allow our DCs to establish their own lives, are we being too insensitive to those of a more conservative viewpoint?

Apologies - that was very long!

Yes you are expecting too much of her, she is entrenched in her homophobic views and I imagine nothing will change her. As for your family you all sound lovely, kind, caring and considerate to each other, hard as it is you may need to accept, and distance from, Mil's behaviour

PurpleVine · 01/07/2026 19:00

i'm christian and can tell you that your mil would get short shrift from my vicar, who is bloody lovely, and the rest of the congregation who are also lovely. one of the wardens is gay - nobody cares and why should they? it doesn't matter. i really hope your mil manages to see past her bigotry.

Pemba · 01/07/2026 23:29

I think your DW needs to stand up for her child (and partner) and really lay the law down with her mother. The mother's behaviour and attitude is horrible. Sad that she used to be a loving grandma, but she's blown all that now, your kids will never forget this.

I do wonder where on earth she got the counsellor from, who is telling her that SHE is being bullied by your DW and you? Seems pretty weird, or do you think she's making it up?

DiscontinuedModelHusband · 02/07/2026 11:33

Pemba · 01/07/2026 23:29

I think your DW needs to stand up for her child (and partner) and really lay the law down with her mother. The mother's behaviour and attitude is horrible. Sad that she used to be a loving grandma, but she's blown all that now, your kids will never forget this.

I do wonder where on earth she got the counsellor from, who is telling her that SHE is being bullied by your DW and you? Seems pretty weird, or do you think she's making it up?

DW thinks the counselling is made up.

She's asked to see appointment confirmations, but nothing forthcoming.

MIL regularly shares "feedback" from the sessions - including the fact her counsellor had asked her to make a list of all the people that she knows that love her and value her.

She then tried to force this list on us, with their phone numbers included, so we could "call them, and see how much they loved her".

When I refused to take the list from her, i was told (her exact words) to "go fuck myself"!

I'm not sure if I'm selling my DW short in terms of her approach with MIL - she's the most assertive in terms of the calling out, and refusal to accept any waffly excuses - it's myself and the DC that are probably less so.

I've been taking my lead from the affected DC, who until recently has been trying to leave space for resolution, though this patience/willingness is dwindling rapidly.

Affected DC is an adult (early 20s), who has always been very careful and considered, hence me being comfortable following their lead.

OP posts:
DiscontinuedModelHusband · 02/07/2026 11:40

I do appreciate all of the responses - they've all been helpful in reassuring me that we're right to assert our expectations.

MIL was always a very loving and supportive GP, right up until the DCs became young adults and no longer "needed" her.

We have relied on her hugely for childcare, so she's always been very entwined in all our lives, which has made it more complicated to just cut her off completely.

The PP that mentioned the DC won't forget this - that's absolutely the case. And not just our DC - there's several other grandchildren/younger extended family members who are also seeing this, and it's affected their relationships with MIL as well.

Unfortunately, instead of this being a cause for reflection, it's just been fuel to her feeling that we're turning everyone against her.

Sadly, taking personal responsibility has never been a strong suit.

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anonfortoday1 · 02/07/2026 11:47

Please override your child on this occasion. They will be understandably hurt, bewildered and confused that their previous unconditional love for/from a significant grandparent seems to now not be so unconditional. I can understand why they have both challenged her and wanted to leave space for her to change.

Now is the time to show that sometimes people don't actually deserve that level of grace and that your love for your child is strong enough to withdraw (loudly) from that relationship and champion your child only. Don't make this comfortable for your MIL by just withdrawing from her hosted occasions or separating out different social meet ups. That is condoning her behaviour by default.

Your child is to be celebrated. Her partner is clearly someone the rest of you care for and want to be part of your lives. Therefore make their relationship central to all of your decisions in a postive way, not by trying to tip toe around your MIL's homophobic and frankly abusive behaviour.

Don't apologise for doing so. Tell her exactly why. Tell anyone else who asks why you are treating her this way exactly why. Don't let the inevitable flying monkey messages try and convince you otherwise. She can say whatever she wants in defence but her actions towards both your child, her partner AND the contrast with other grandkids and their partners says it all.

Relieve your child of her burdern of trying to get things right and show that she has nothing to try for. It isn't her responsibility to make others behave as a human being. But it is YOUR responsiblilty to put her first and that's it.

millymollymoomoo · 02/07/2026 11:47

She’s from a different time and era so you can’t expect her to have the same belief systems as today. It’s not uncommon for that generation to hold homophobic views, however abhorrent we might feel about that today.

however, while she doesn’t have to like it or agree with it, I’d absolutely not tolerate her behaviour to dc and partner as that’s completely unacceptable. She should simply remain quiet about it and be civil in an agree to disagree manner

anonfortoday1 · 02/07/2026 11:51

millymollymoomoo · 02/07/2026 11:47

She’s from a different time and era so you can’t expect her to have the same belief systems as today. It’s not uncommon for that generation to hold homophobic views, however abhorrent we might feel about that today.

however, while she doesn’t have to like it or agree with it, I’d absolutely not tolerate her behaviour to dc and partner as that’s completely unacceptable. She should simply remain quiet about it and be civil in an agree to disagree manner

Politely... that's bollocks. This isn't about age or generation, there are many more people her age or older who may have been brought up in certain environments but who have been open to education and their own critical thinking who would never act like this. Especially once they have had so many opportunities to learn more and love their very own.

Shoxfordian · 02/07/2026 12:01

It sounds like you should cut her off, she's homophobic and unkind to your dc and their partner

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