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Tell me what you think of this (long)

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Monkeytrousers · 19/06/2008 08:08

Briefly, DP has a very limited emotional intelligence quotient. This has been a conscious effort has he did have a very traumatic childhood (dad alcoholic/schizophrenic) and he basically had to be strong for his 3 siblings and his mother who was also alcoholic for a while.

When we got together I knew he thought it a new dawn for him, but slowly and inexorably over the years he has closed his heart off to me, and everyone else, just as he always has done. He even became addicted to prescription opiates (Tramadol) after the death of a close friend a year and a half ago in an attempt to dull his emotions. Our family imploded at this point.

He is now off Tramadol, after a hard battle last year but his heart is even more barricaded. It is very hard to live with - bearing in mind I am not perfect and get frustrated at times. I am an aggressive/aggressive type who likes to face issues and clear the air. He is a passive/aggressive type who sulks and withdraws and then when I explode under the pressure he blames me as the antagonist, never seeing how his passive/aggressive behaviour contributes to it ? but I am well aware that chicken and egg arguments are moot now as we are stuck in a very negative cycle.

Anyway?

He cannot talk about how he feels without it turning into a character assassination ? uses attacking ?you? statements, rather than neutral ?I? statements. I try to bite my lip but after about half an hour of this I inevitably respond to defend myself and then the arguments start, I get blamed for starting them as ?I just can?t keep my mouth shut and let him talk?. He cannot see that explaining his feelings has nothing to do with his opinions about me..

I came up with a plan this morning to try and keep track of our emotional states without getting into major discussion about it and to have immediate but neutral feedback on how we interact and affect each others moods.

It?s (don?t laugh) a ?Defcon? system scanning from Defcon 5 (most open, happy, approachable and relaxed), Defcon 4 (good happy, but with maybe an aura of stress from somewhere), Defcon 3 (Neutral), Defcon 2 (tense, one push and you will go to..) Defcon 1 (seriously pissed off and unapproachable).

I thought if we could check on each others status it might help make each other more aware of our emotions on a day to day basis, and also ease DP into at least thinking about emotions, both his and mine, rather than just blocking them and thinking of them as irrelevant, which he does at the moment.

I don?t know if it will work but I am on my last drop of hope. We have tried so many things which always come down to needing to communicate better, but as that demands a certain amount of emotional awareness, DP always refuses to go there and we slide back into misery ? there?s no other word for it.

We do love each other, but love is not enough to help us here. We have tried Relate but DP sabotaged the sessions when they approached his opiate addiction so he would not have to discuss his reasons for needing them or his emotions in general.

A friend is moving in wither boyfriend in September and she has offered me her old house to rent if things between us are no better. If this happens I really fear DP will totally implode. I cannot see what else to do however, if this doesn?t work as it is so traumatic living with someone who cannot show their emotions and discounts yours as a consequence ? and I also have to think about bringing DS up in that environment.

Thanks for listening

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Monkeytrousers · 19/06/2008 08:09

PS the defcon thing is supposed to be a bit funny also - trying to inject a bit of humour to the whole po-faced exercise

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Pheebe · 19/06/2008 08:15

Can I suggest you access a drug counsellor/support team if you haven't already, relate will be utterly useless for you in this circumstance, you need a medical/psychiatric component to any counselling at this stage. Your GP will be able to access this for you. I very very much doubt you will be able to resolve or even manage this situation alone, your DH needs individual care at the very least. The Defcon idea is a good one on the surface but doesn't really address any of the underlying issues.

Also I agree, you need to protect your DS in all this

Good luck

umberella · 19/06/2008 08:19

Dreadful MT. I can really sympathise/empathise with your situation.

How long did it take for him to get off the opiates? How many was he taking? Are you sure he isn't still on them?

Monkeytrousers · 19/06/2008 08:23

At this point he will not entertain any discussion of his psychology. He is in total denial of the problem. This is the idea of the defcon idea, to try and maintain it for a while, when (please god if) we mamage to get to a defcon 2 state for a good deal of the time (though this may take months) he might then be approachable to more specific couunselling ideas.

I know why he is afraid of looking at his emotions - he is afriad once they are out of the box he will never be able to put them back in, and I think this is a real and legitimate worry as by experience we both know that with things like this, things are bound to get slightly worse before they start to get better. I just think he thinks has too much responnsiblities to indulge this. But of course, not dealing with it is also tearing us apart. It's a double bind.

All I can do is criss my fingers and hope this works - at leasy I have my own deadline - which he is aware of. He just needs to master his fear of letting go - though I know there is no guarentee he will.

It's all so sad.

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umberella · 19/06/2008 08:27

Is he getting counselling now?
I am in a similar sit.

umberella · 19/06/2008 08:28

He needs to start talking to you otherwise your feeling towards him will slowly shut down too.

Monkeytrousers · 19/06/2008 08:28

It took him about 3-4 months. He still takes co-codamol but this isn't in any way as mood altering as Tramadol, but he cannot get through the day without them however. It's a compromise that I make.

He isn't on Tramadol, no - I interveined in his supply from a friend and check his bank statements for evodence of online pharmacy purchases, which was how he got the majority of them before. His mood is not so changeable too - violent mood swings were/are a definite symptom that I look out for.

I forget how much he was taking, a lot. I would find them hidden under the bed (this was when DS had just started crawling too, so I was furious). He lied about them but when I saw his bank statements I knew he was buying a pack a week. I feared the worst many times when he was coming off them, which he did by his own timetable, but there were times when he went out in the car and I was sure he was going to drive into the river, it was so hard for him.

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umberella · 19/06/2008 08:31

How much is he taking?

Mine is taking a pack per day. It's frightening.

Monkeytrousers · 19/06/2008 08:31

That's what I am afraid of Umberella. I am running on fresh air as it is..

He isn;t getting counselling. Won't. I cannot broach the subject without him blowing up or withdrawing to punish me. I have to have a longer term strategy. If we can just get on an even keel, he might see the benefits and that it is worth persuing..hopefully.

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Monkeytrousers · 19/06/2008 08:32

He isn;t on them anymore Umberella. he was on a pack a week I think, at abotu 200mgs.

What is your DP taking? Tramadol? At a pack a day?? What dosage?

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Monkeytrousers · 19/06/2008 08:33

Sorry 200mgs three or 4 times a day at it's worst

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Monkeytrousers · 19/06/2008 08:33

I think

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umberella · 19/06/2008 08:33

Yes, that's been my strategy so far too.

I'm really coming to the end of the line though, it's so hard keeping the facade of normality for everyone else around us. Awful. I have 6mo dd too. Some days I think I hate him for doing this to us.

He gets drug counselling one evening per week so that's a start hopefully.

umberella · 19/06/2008 08:35

it's nurofen plus - they have codeine in them.

It's fucking crucifying us financially as well as all the other damage it's doing.

32 per day. I wonder if one day I will wake up and his body will have just given up.

umberella · 19/06/2008 08:36

He also has screwed up parents.

Monkeytrousers · 19/06/2008 08:45

That is really dangerous U. Can you not go to his doctor and talk about it witht hem. I think they need to be notified then the next time he goes in they can take blood (under some other pretence) and see if it is damaging him.

Ask if they can ask him to go in to get his bloods checked under a pretence anyway?? They might just do this..

I hate him too sometimes, especially when I'm angry. I never believe the worst things he says though. I get angry and while this is better than self pity it's still not great.

Thing is we both had screwed up parents - though he does have a great relationshop with his mother who has not touched a drop of alcohol for 20 years now. I think he still see's them as his primary family though, we are a bit of an add-on and the emotional containment strategy has alwasy worked with his family and so he thinks the same will work for us.

I was totally screwed up in my 20s but I did confront things. It was incredibly hard and took a few years, but I came out the other side a better person, almost unrecognisable. It is a traumatic and long process though so I do understand why he thinks it's totally impractical now we have a house and child - we are also self employed so can have no 'sick' pay.

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umberella · 19/06/2008 08:53

Yes I forced him to go when I found this out about 3 months ago. They took blood - no damage. They give him a prescription now which he finished in about three days and then just supplements it with NP. It has all been a horrible shock.

He is also very moody - it's very obviously self loathing, but fires cannons off in my direction a lot when he is like that. It's very depressing. I also don't believe the worst things he says but hard to keep your chin up really.

I don't think your 'defcon' system is a bad idea btw - we could probably use one of those around here!

It's very difficult because some days I can still see him in there. But I have now started telling him clearly that I will leave with dd because she cannot grow up shouldering his problems like I have to do.

Strangely enough he also has a good relationship with his mother, but I actually see now that she was at the root of a lot of his problems. And continues to be. She insists on a degree of exclusivity about their relationship which I think is unhealthy.

Pheebe · 19/06/2008 08:56

How awful for you both

As partners of addicts you can also access the drug liason/counselling services in your area through your GP. They should be able to offer YOU counselling and support even if your partners aren't yet ready to face their addictions

Monkeytrousers · 19/06/2008 09:00

There is a lot of self loahing in Dp too I think. He has occasionally hinted at it, buty then it's buried again. I als see flashes of the man I love. That makes it extra hard.

I'm lucky in that his mum is great. He thinks of her as very vulerable though and I think his 1st priority os to protect her - from himself if needs be - by not confiding the extent of his problems..

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umberella · 19/06/2008 09:03

Well mine thinks of his mum as vulnerable too and his first priority is to protect her too.

I always thought of this as an admirable quality but now see it as a kind of hold she has had over him all his life. I think it has generated a kind of guilt about other relationships for him, hence the 'shutdowns'. I actually think in a lot of ways this perpetuates his problems.

umberella · 19/06/2008 09:08

-and actually I think on some level (not explicitly) that she wants him to fuck up and to be fucked up so that she retains the ultimate status in his life.

It has taken me a looong time to see this but now I have it's crystal clear, bizzarely.

Monkeytrousers · 19/06/2008 09:12

That sound more liek my mother - who I have minumu contact with as she is gleeful about other peoples mistakes and mishaps in life, even ehr own kids.

Dp's mum I think really was=nt su to be happy and feels a lot of guilt about her role in messing up her kids, which are all abit messed up barr the youngest - it's a bit like a sliding scale from oldest being just like his dad, sis who has nervpus problems, DP who is the 'stong' one and youngest sis who missed all of the trauma and is totally 'normal' so much so he has no real empathy for her two oldest siblings.

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Monkeytrousers · 19/06/2008 09:15

That's a bit too harsh on her actually - she just doesn;t seem to have sometimes. Can be dismissive and judgemental sometimes

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umberella · 19/06/2008 09:18

Sounds very difficult. My dp's parents divorced (him mum was unfaithful) when he was very young and somehow ever since I have known him he has had a very fractured relationship with his dad (who is actually and ok guy - on ADs and a bit of a prat occasionally but obviously loves and wants the best or dp).

His mum does say all the right things, but then she's almost collusive with him in respect of trying to 'counsel' him about his worries which I find very odd (given the fact that she clearly has her own issues). Since I found out about this addiction I have almost found her divisive in her refusal to discuss it with me out of loyalty to dp. ffs - i am his partner, and the mother of his child.

umberella · 19/06/2008 09:19

she said to me: it's different for me, I am his mother and i will always be there.

!