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('D')P frequently threatens to take his own life during conflict -how to navigate separation?

85 replies

ChillyRiff · 29/03/2026 19:39

Practical help, please.

My DC's dad, whom I have lived with for 20 years but am finally slowly side-stepping out of relationship with, has a predisposition to anxiety and depression -it's been a feature of our lives for as long as we've known eachother.

He becomes easily overwhelmed and defensive when we try to approach challenges in our co-habiting and parenting, he catastrophises and blames and usually shuts down the conversation abruptly by walking away and shutting himself in his room, often for hours, and bailing on whatever plans he may have had for the day.

When dysregulated or percieving criticism, he has a disturbing habit of alluding to, or outrightly declaring his intention to, or sharing his worry that he might feel compelled to, take his own life. It is a fairly frequent occurrence, in one shape or form. He will come to the end of his capacity to engage in a conversation, say something about ending his life (heavily laced with implied blame), walk off, hide for a while (hours or, in extreme cases, days) then re-emerge as if nothing has happened.

Over the years, I have tried taking him at face value, tried responding as if he is about to make a serious attempt, tried being supportive, tried to share what it is like to be on perpetual tenterhooks, tried calling his bluff, tried 'calling him out', tried not responding at all; nothing changes. One might think that, after such a long time, it shouldn't affect me, but it does. He made one attempt quite early on although I am not sure it wasn't just a 'marker' in order to instill the belief that he could, if pressed, go all the way: I returned home after having taken time out during an argument, to find 'evidence' of an attempt and him telling me he'd been "very close", but decided not to go ahead. He is not interested in medication or therapy.

The result is that I am always wary of pushing him, even in areas of conflict and challenge in our relationship which require urgent attention, in case this is the time he decides to go ahead. He can be rash and impulsive, and finds it very difficult that I tend to stay calm during conflict, so he says and does things 'for effect'. This morning, he declared that one day soon, I'd walk into his room to find a 'corpse', and written on the wall would be "Well done, girls -you've won!", meaning me and the DC, whom he is finding it hard to connect with at the moment (they obviously aren't aware of this side of their dad).

I don't think anyone would guess this is what our life is like. People have a completely different perception of him. He's really careful not to show any of this to others, it's all 'behind closed doors': he's adored by friends and colleagues, who see him as a great provider, emotionally literate and probably a bit of a catch.

I'm finally in a situation where, having worked on my 'ducks' for some time, I hope to be able to leave soon, for a variety of reasons; his being such hard work emotionally being the main factor. What I'm asking is, how can I finally make the transition from feeling I'm somehow responsible for his mental health, to letting that fall to him, for better or for worse? And not be reeled in or brought to submission by inevitable future threats? My fear is that he'll go ahead out of spite when I leave.

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AluckyEllie · 29/03/2026 20:32

It’s his last resort to control you. It’s a ‘look what YOU made me do, look what you’ve done.’ If he does kill himself (which I doubt he will) it is not your fault. We all control how we respond to situations and he is no exception to this.

Are you having counselling? You really should. Also, do your kids know you are leaving him? How old are they? Men like that will have no qualms about emotionally blackmailing their kids too….

SpiritAdder · 29/03/2026 20:38

You aren’t responsible for him regardless of whether he is sincere in feeling suicidal or pretending unless you actively encourage him to carry out suicide (see recent case law on this).

As you are leaving him, the best you can be expected to do is to

  • call adult social services and put them on notice as to his tendency to spiral into suicidal ideation.
  • if he calls, messages, or otherwise contacts you with threats of suicide you immediately call the police and request a welfare check.

You do not engage.

You also do not under any circumstances allow any unsupervised contact between him and your children because he will be doing this to them otherwise.

snowymarbles · 29/03/2026 20:38

My ex tried this Once after we split - I basically said ok your choice do whatever but don’t try and blame me for it!

Itsseweasy · 29/03/2026 20:48

You are being manipulated.
What do you say in response? You say “Thats’s your decision to make”.
Because it is. If he was going to do it, he’d do it.
Stop playing along, in fact I’m giving you my first “leave him” recommendation. Red flags galore.

Maray1967 · 29/03/2026 21:20

ChillyRiff · 29/03/2026 19:53

Thank you, I just need to hear that I'm not being able complete insensitive cow. It's so exhausting. I've tried saying that it feels like a 'below the belt' move, but he's having none of it.

I would have hit the bloody roof after his reference to your DC.

Feel no guilt. His behaviour is disgusting.

ChillyRiff · 29/03/2026 22:02

@friedaddedchilli and @ThisJadeBear , I'm so sorry you have felt so desperate, and hope you are in a better place now. Thank you for taking the time to share your perspective.

@SpiritAdder He would never put anything about ending his life in a text or email, it's always a very 'in the moment', impulsive thing.

I do think he does feel like he really wants to kill himself in the heat of the moment, when the words come out of his mouth. He can get very demostratively upset, lying in bed and sobbing really loudly; he says he's 'self-soothing'. Occasionally, he'll whack himself so hard in the head that it really must hurt -he's bruised himself and given himself quite some bumps before. He will, in lucid moments, concede that 'he's not right / there's something wrong with him' and acknowledge that he must be a nightmare. Yet if I agree, he swizzles it around and sort of 'owns' it; "Yeah, I really am petty / vindictive / mean-spirited -whoa, I'm a nasty piece of work!", almost as if he's appraising another person. It must sound really bizarre.

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PinkNailPolish2026 · 29/03/2026 22:09

He is not your responsibility and you are not responsible for his actions, he’s the only one responsible for what he’s saying and what he does. He’s trying to manipulate and control you by saying you’ll find a corpse etc. You are also not responsible for his mental health, he needs to seek help imo and you need to step back and crack on with the separation/divorce. He’s clearly not fit to to have contact with the children on his own and I wouldn’t be allowing this and you need to protect both you and your children.

99bottlesofkombucha · 29/03/2026 22:17

I’d sit him down and say it is not acceptable to threaten suicide in a discussion. I am
not your support human to help you through this anymore. I have made a list of your friends and will now inform them when you make suicide threats, every time, and if I feel it warranted I will call 000. So if you’re feeling like you’d like to shut down an argument and this is your favorite way to do it, please remember your friends are going to be checking in on you about suicidal tendencies.

marcyhermit · 29/03/2026 22:18

ChillyRiff · 29/03/2026 22:02

@friedaddedchilli and @ThisJadeBear , I'm so sorry you have felt so desperate, and hope you are in a better place now. Thank you for taking the time to share your perspective.

@SpiritAdder He would never put anything about ending his life in a text or email, it's always a very 'in the moment', impulsive thing.

I do think he does feel like he really wants to kill himself in the heat of the moment, when the words come out of his mouth. He can get very demostratively upset, lying in bed and sobbing really loudly; he says he's 'self-soothing'. Occasionally, he'll whack himself so hard in the head that it really must hurt -he's bruised himself and given himself quite some bumps before. He will, in lucid moments, concede that 'he's not right / there's something wrong with him' and acknowledge that he must be a nightmare. Yet if I agree, he swizzles it around and sort of 'owns' it; "Yeah, I really am petty / vindictive / mean-spirited -whoa, I'm a nasty piece of work!", almost as if he's appraising another person. It must sound really bizarre.

Urgh. Get out of there and don't look back.

ACynicalDad · 29/03/2026 22:22

It’s a form of emotional abuse. Point that out, and call paramedics etc. chances are he won’t do it again.

marcyhermit · 29/03/2026 22:22

99bottlesofkombucha · 29/03/2026 22:17

I’d sit him down and say it is not acceptable to threaten suicide in a discussion. I am
not your support human to help you through this anymore. I have made a list of your friends and will now inform them when you make suicide threats, every time, and if I feel it warranted I will call 000. So if you’re feeling like you’d like to shut down an argument and this is your favorite way to do it, please remember your friends are going to be checking in on you about suicidal tendencies.

This is such a good idea - emergency contacts and you will ask them all to go and check on him every time. Bet that reduces the threats when it's not just aimed at you.

ChillyRiff · 29/03/2026 22:22

A few of you have mentioned that he ought not have unsupervised contact with the DC. They're teens now, but it is something I have wondered about too. They don't see the suicidal part, but are aware of other problematic aspects of his personality -the catastrophising being the main thing, as it can at times involve them; and they've also witnessed some of his anxiety, especially on journeys. I really want to insulate them from this.
How old do children have to be before they can make their own minds up about how frequently / when they want to see their non-resident parent?

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marcyhermit · 29/03/2026 22:25

ChillyRiff · 29/03/2026 22:22

A few of you have mentioned that he ought not have unsupervised contact with the DC. They're teens now, but it is something I have wondered about too. They don't see the suicidal part, but are aware of other problematic aspects of his personality -the catastrophising being the main thing, as it can at times involve them; and they've also witnessed some of his anxiety, especially on journeys. I really want to insulate them from this.
How old do children have to be before they can make their own minds up about how frequently / when they want to see their non-resident parent?

There's no hard and fast rule, but physically you can't force a teenager to see a parent they don't want to so courts will have to take their views into account.

TalulahJP · 29/03/2026 22:29

hes a manipulative bastard and the sooner you get away from him the better. i had an ex like that. i just told him it was his life and his decision and nothing to do with me - and while i’d feel sorry for him in the short term, give it a few years and i’d probably forget all about him. so crack on.

needless to say he did not. he never had any intention of doing that. he just wanted to control me. im so much happier now. right choice to walk.

Thundertoast · 29/03/2026 22:33

Not a medical or mental health professional but have done some mental health and domestic violence/control training through work and in both courses this came up and apparently advice is that you should treat it as if its a real attempt and call the police. A woman on my course shared that this happened to her sister with her ex, and she rang the police on two seperate occasions and her ex stopped. The woman running the course who has worked in domestic violence for 30 years affirmed that you should always ring but to get yourself and any children away to safety.

ChillyRiff · 29/03/2026 22:34

@TalulahJP I've wondered about how this will appear when I look back in a few years and benefit ftom the 20/20 of hindsight. We won't be able to have a totally clean break as there is one significant area of our lives which will continue to cross over for the foreseeable, so we'll still be peripheral in each other's lives even if the DC manage contact on their own terms.

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fashionqueen0123 · 29/03/2026 22:36

Leave. He’s not your responsibility. Let him make his threats. Just concentrate on your ducks in a row. He’s not your problem anymore

TheNameWasOnceChosen · 29/03/2026 23:10

Just leave him. Tell him when you leave that you will be phoning for an ambulance when he says to you that he will kill/harm himself - and that's all you will do for him. Not your problem.

SpryCat · 30/03/2026 09:47

He’s conditioned you to drop all conflict due to his histrionic outbursts and take on all the blame. I’m not surprised he is finding it hard to connect with your girls as the older they get the harder it will be for him to dominate them.
They have their own emotions, needs and views and that threatens his control. He will get increasingly worse until he squashes out any autonomy of self from them.
His threats and actions are not yours to control, he can blame you all he wants but ultimately they are his and you need to leave before it escalates into physical abuse to keep you all hostage to him.

MagpiePi · 30/03/2026 10:04

I think you need to find a way of letting your children know about his behaviour and that it is being done for manipulation and that he is likely to use it on them when you split.

I don’t know how you would go about it in a way that minimises their potential upset, but they need to know so that they can decide whether they want to continue to see him.

Mariooooocart · 30/03/2026 10:22

sausagedog2000 · 29/03/2026 19:47

My abusive ex used to do this and when I told him I was leaving him he claimed once again he was going to kill himself so I called an ambulance and two male paramedics turned up. He was mortified. Might be an option for you.

Yes similar situation with my ex. I made it clear I would be doing that every time he mentioned the word suicide to me.

He didn’t do it again.

Shittyyear2025 · 30/03/2026 10:37

Classic abuse tactic.

He threatens you with this but EVERYONE else thinks the sun shines out of his arse?

You are not responsible for him or his actions. Life is hard sometimes but to threaten suicide is despicable.

Next time he makes threats tell him that you will take him at his word and contact the emergency services and his family for support.

You are allowed to move on with your life op.

CharSiu · 30/03/2026 10:37

If he did kill himself which I highly doubt then it will by his own hand and his alone.

It’s pure manipulation I see you are not married, I am married and think I would say to DH that’s great it will save divorce fees. With a partner I think I would say at least life insurance, death in service will pay out.

Shineonyoucrazydiamond1 · 30/03/2026 10:41

It's such a hard position to be in- your situation echos my own in many ways. You can't not take it seriously, but you also need a way not to be drawn into emotional manipulation.

My line now is, 'if you are feeling suicidal that's bigger than you or I can deal with ourselves, we need professional support', I have a list of emergency and mental health helplines printed out on a piece of paper that I give him in the moment and say, 'use the numbers if you need to- they are there to help, or if you want me to call them for you let me know.' If he gets near being suicidal, I take the kids to stay elsewhere- they need to be somewhere safe, relaxed and not on eggshells, and if the worst happens I want to ensure they are not there at the time. I ensure he knows I am there for him, I support him to stay connected to the kids, sending video messages etc from them. He says 'I won't cope if you're not here' and it's hard to go knowing that's how he feels in the moment, and what the consequences might be, but at the end of the day, I must protect the kids first, he's an adult and only he is responsible for his actions.

It could be useful to set out with your (D)P what you'll do in each situation- eg if he talks about suicide/says he's thinking about it give him the helpline numbers, if he acts on his thought or gets out anything that could be used for that purpose you'll call 999. If it's not possible to have a conversation about it, write it down and give it to him. That way it's less of a manipulative tool- he knows if x happens you'll do y, you don't get destabailised deciding what to do so there's no boundaries to push...

I found chat gpt really helpful in giving practical, balanced and helpful advice so that might be worth a go.
Good luck...

TheRuffleandthePearl · 30/03/2026 10:43

marcyhermit · 29/03/2026 19:52

This morning, he declared that one day soon, I'd walk into his room to find a 'corpse', and written on the wall would be "Well done, girls -you've won!", meaning me and the DC, whom he is finding it hard to connect with at the moment (they obviously aren't aware of this side of their dad).

That is despicable and abusive behaviour and would be a red line for me. I'd either ask him to leave immediately or take the children and go yourself - whatever is easier/safer for you. There's no coming back from that.

Yes the fact he would threaten to completely traumatise his daughters in this way would kill ANY love or responsibility I had for him. This is utterly selfish to threaten to put them through such a hideous experience.

It’s all abuse and it’s all for show and to keep his manipulative childish power in the relationship.

Don't look back, you’ll feel amazing once you’re away from this idiot.