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My life isn't how I want it to be with Bob

28 replies

ChangeTheDayJob · 25/01/2026 22:13

NC.

Been with Bob for over ten years. Never married, although we were engaged at one point. We have separated a few times. We have a child together.

Bob doesn't listen. He gets very defensive when I attempt adult conversations about finances, lifestyle, parenting etc. All conversations turn into arguments. He goes off on tangents about irrelevant stuff as if gaslighting me. I don't think he is, I think he hears something completely different to the actual words coming out of my mouth. Or he picks up on something around the conversation which isn't the main point. Some time later Bob will say he agrees with my proposals around what ever the issue is and he will go along with the plan. I'm not strong arming him to bend to my will, but I think we've both gone on too long at not doing a very good job of adulting. When I see we could be doing better for our future or for our child, I come up with a solution to improve ourselves. I would be more than happy for Bob to take the lead, but he doesn't. He just doesn't see things that need to change. Anyway, a few weeks or months go by, and nothing changes. When I point this out, Bob gets defensive, feels attacked and we start this process all over again. I'm tired of it.

I've made so many mistakes in my life - especially around finances. I have no savings. We live in a rented property, and I'm getting older. Sadly it won't be possible for me to ever buy. My parents were poor. They didn't really instill good money habits or teach me to save. They lived in a council house and they both drank heavily. I'm proud of how far I've come. We live in a nice area. DC goes to a lovely school and I try to parent them better than I was. I'm not perfect in any way. I make mistakes. I hate it when they hear Bob and I argue because it reminds me of my own childhood (lots of shouting and abusive behaviour). I explain to them that adults don't always get along and reassure them it's not their fault etc. One of the reasons Bob and I separated before was because I was concerned our relationship was having a negative emotional impact on DC (along with many other issues). Because Bob is quite vicious with words, I started responding to him in the same way. I hated the person I was becoming and I put an end to it.

This kind of brings me back to my point. Here I am again arguing with Bob all the time because things always slip back to how they were before.

The last separation we spent two years apart. It broke DCs heart which in turn broke mine. Bob never have up hope and continued to pursue me until eventually he wore me down. He did lots of work on himself along the way to prove himself.

I don't really know what I'm saying. I'm just so fed up with this cycle. Bob resents me for many reasons. In turn I blame him for making me into all the things he dislikes about me. I have become detached and unloving towards him. I've become the nag. I treat him like a child which really makes him angry. But he takes no action and holds very little accountability.

Bob will receive a very decent inheritance at some point. And he was very mollycoddled as a child and young adult. In fact, he still is. I wonder if this is why he is like he is. I wonder if he feels safe in the knowledge that one day, he will have a financial cushion. He has good points. He works hard, he adores his DC and he would never see her go without. He's funny and he would help me out if I needed it... Although he might moan a little about it which takes the sincerity out of it in my opinion.

Just in case you're wondering, Bob isn't his real name!

Please be gentle if you have an opinion/advice. I know my flaws. I feel like I'm at a crossroads and it's scary to think about blowing DCs life apart (again).

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KiddyMcKiddly · 25/01/2026 22:17

Would Bob agree to couples counselling to learn better communication styles (so you can discuss instead of arguing)?

Newbabynewhouse · 25/01/2026 22:26

ChangeTheDayJob · 25/01/2026 22:13

NC.

Been with Bob for over ten years. Never married, although we were engaged at one point. We have separated a few times. We have a child together.

Bob doesn't listen. He gets very defensive when I attempt adult conversations about finances, lifestyle, parenting etc. All conversations turn into arguments. He goes off on tangents about irrelevant stuff as if gaslighting me. I don't think he is, I think he hears something completely different to the actual words coming out of my mouth. Or he picks up on something around the conversation which isn't the main point. Some time later Bob will say he agrees with my proposals around what ever the issue is and he will go along with the plan. I'm not strong arming him to bend to my will, but I think we've both gone on too long at not doing a very good job of adulting. When I see we could be doing better for our future or for our child, I come up with a solution to improve ourselves. I would be more than happy for Bob to take the lead, but he doesn't. He just doesn't see things that need to change. Anyway, a few weeks or months go by, and nothing changes. When I point this out, Bob gets defensive, feels attacked and we start this process all over again. I'm tired of it.

I've made so many mistakes in my life - especially around finances. I have no savings. We live in a rented property, and I'm getting older. Sadly it won't be possible for me to ever buy. My parents were poor. They didn't really instill good money habits or teach me to save. They lived in a council house and they both drank heavily. I'm proud of how far I've come. We live in a nice area. DC goes to a lovely school and I try to parent them better than I was. I'm not perfect in any way. I make mistakes. I hate it when they hear Bob and I argue because it reminds me of my own childhood (lots of shouting and abusive behaviour). I explain to them that adults don't always get along and reassure them it's not their fault etc. One of the reasons Bob and I separated before was because I was concerned our relationship was having a negative emotional impact on DC (along with many other issues). Because Bob is quite vicious with words, I started responding to him in the same way. I hated the person I was becoming and I put an end to it.

This kind of brings me back to my point. Here I am again arguing with Bob all the time because things always slip back to how they were before.

The last separation we spent two years apart. It broke DCs heart which in turn broke mine. Bob never have up hope and continued to pursue me until eventually he wore me down. He did lots of work on himself along the way to prove himself.

I don't really know what I'm saying. I'm just so fed up with this cycle. Bob resents me for many reasons. In turn I blame him for making me into all the things he dislikes about me. I have become detached and unloving towards him. I've become the nag. I treat him like a child which really makes him angry. But he takes no action and holds very little accountability.

Bob will receive a very decent inheritance at some point. And he was very mollycoddled as a child and young adult. In fact, he still is. I wonder if this is why he is like he is. I wonder if he feels safe in the knowledge that one day, he will have a financial cushion. He has good points. He works hard, he adores his DC and he would never see her go without. He's funny and he would help me out if I needed it... Although he might moan a little about it which takes the sincerity out of it in my opinion.

Just in case you're wondering, Bob isn't his real name!

Please be gentle if you have an opinion/advice. I know my flaws. I feel like I'm at a crossroads and it's scary to think about blowing DCs life apart (again).

Can I just say..this sounds SO similar to the situation I am in right now! I don't have much more to add other than I read this and thought omg.. this is like me!

ChangeTheDayJob · 25/01/2026 22:28

KiddyMcKiddly · 25/01/2026 22:17

Would Bob agree to couples counselling to learn better communication styles (so you can discuss instead of arguing)?

Funnily enough the last time we separated we did have a few sessions before the counsellor recommended he has solo sessions.

I have suggested it again. He doesn't see it as an investment. I feel sad about this because one of our issues is money. He'll spend it on unnecessary things, but not on important stuff.

I think I will suggest it again. If he isn't willing, I don't know what else to do.

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MamaMumMama · 25/01/2026 22:29

It doesn’t sound like marriage is the answer so no point waiting for the inheritance.

Splitting sounds like the best thing for you and your child. Hearing your parents argue in the way described is now classed as child abuse. If you’ve gone it alone before, you can do it again. Things will never change if nothing changes. Sorry.

Davros · 25/01/2026 22:29

Give Bob the boot I reckon

ChangeTheDayJob · 25/01/2026 23:09

MamaMumMama · 25/01/2026 22:29

It doesn’t sound like marriage is the answer so no point waiting for the inheritance.

Splitting sounds like the best thing for you and your child. Hearing your parents argue in the way described is now classed as child abuse. If you’ve gone it alone before, you can do it again. Things will never change if nothing changes. Sorry.

I know. I hate that our DC gets caught up in it. I try not to have these conversations around her, but she does hear a lot. He fails to acknowledge that these lively conversations have an impact on DC. It's not all on him though. I snap when I really should hold my tongue.

I think he genuinely believes that abuse is only abuse if it's physical.

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ChangeTheDayJob · 25/01/2026 23:14

ChangeTheDayJob · 25/01/2026 23:09

I know. I hate that our DC gets caught up in it. I try not to have these conversations around her, but she does hear a lot. He fails to acknowledge that these lively conversations have an impact on DC. It's not all on him though. I snap when I really should hold my tongue.

I think he genuinely believes that abuse is only abuse if it's physical.

PS, I have no interest in his inheritance! I can only imagine the conflict that would cause!! 🫣

I am more than capable of coping alone. I just want a calm environment for DC and myself. The problem is DC sees me as the instigator because in their little mind I chucked Daddy out before.

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INeedAnotherName · 25/01/2026 23:25

We have separated a few times.

Have the various issues that caused the separations been resolved/fixed permanently? If not then you will continue on this treadmill until death or he leaves. Although to be honest OP, one separation is enough and if that doesn't "fix" your relationship for the better then it will never be great. It may be time for you to say you are worth more than this.

unsync · 26/01/2026 00:19

It's time to say "bye" to Bob. Don't let him wear you down this time. It's a terrible example for your child.

ChangeTheDayJob · 26/01/2026 07:02

INeedAnotherName · 25/01/2026 23:25

We have separated a few times.

Have the various issues that caused the separations been resolved/fixed permanently? If not then you will continue on this treadmill until death or he leaves. Although to be honest OP, one separation is enough and if that doesn't "fix" your relationship for the better then it will never be great. It may be time for you to say you are worth more than this.

I suspect he will only leave of his own accord when he comes into some money. I can imagine he will blow the lot, or family will rescue him by making decisions about what he should do with it for him.

Have the issues resolved themselves? No, not really. He drinks. It's an ongoing battle for him. He will argue that he doesn't as much as he used to, but it's still an uphill struggle for him. One that I am tired of supporting (not financially). I wanted to be the cycle breaker, and yet here I am, reliving my parents relationship. The only difference is I am not as meek as my mum was. But then DC sees it as I'm picking on her Daddy. We both used to drink a lot. Before DC it didn't matter. We were young (ish) and I was in a better financial position. When DC came along I changed a lot. Last time we separated it was because I found a couple of empty wraps (cocaine) hidden.

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ChangeTheDayJob · 26/01/2026 07:10

ChangeTheDayJob · 26/01/2026 07:02

I suspect he will only leave of his own accord when he comes into some money. I can imagine he will blow the lot, or family will rescue him by making decisions about what he should do with it for him.

Have the issues resolved themselves? No, not really. He drinks. It's an ongoing battle for him. He will argue that he doesn't as much as he used to, but it's still an uphill struggle for him. One that I am tired of supporting (not financially). I wanted to be the cycle breaker, and yet here I am, reliving my parents relationship. The only difference is I am not as meek as my mum was. But then DC sees it as I'm picking on her Daddy. We both used to drink a lot. Before DC it didn't matter. We were young (ish) and I was in a better financial position. When DC came along I changed a lot. Last time we separated it was because I found a couple of empty wraps (cocaine) hidden.

And the other thing is, everybody likes him. I was seen as the bad guy in a sense. He is a likable character. This is what makes me doubt myself. People were happy that we got back together, and actively supported it. But then, I shielded him a lot from telling people everything because I was ashamed. In his families eyes he can do no wrong. They are a very 'brush it under the carpet' family. They don't think very highly of me because I don't fall into line.

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OneHundredDays · 26/01/2026 07:13

You're flogging a dead horse with this one. He's not going to change now. Not enough, not permanently.
You're modelling a really poor relationship to your DD. I get that you feel she will blame you but longer term the impact of not leaving, of letting her think this is normal and ok, will be worse. Get out and show her that you can put yourself and her first. She will soon realise that mum is the stable, dependable parent.

Ask yourself if you'd be happy for her to have a similar relationship in future. It sounds like you've gone some way to break your parents cycle, and are telling yourself things aren't that bad - but they do sound bad, the cycle is continuing -albeit toba lesser degree - and could very well continue in your DDs life too.

I know it is all easy for a stranger on the internet to say and very different when you're the one living it and ground down by it. You're wasting your best years - and your DD's childhood - on someone who continually lets you down.

Wishing you all the very best.

ChangeTheDayJob · 26/01/2026 07:16

unsync · 26/01/2026 00:19

It's time to say "bye" to Bob. Don't let him wear you down this time. It's a terrible example for your child.

I know. I am doing my best to protect DC from this shit show, but it's hard because she adores him. She is a little older now. I think I could have age appropriate conversations about it with her. His family consider me terrible because I separated from him. I believe one of the comments was, have I thought about DC in all of this. DC was the very reason I made him leave. I was trying to shield her from our toxicity.

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Cando6 · 26/01/2026 07:20

He’s not good enough and it’s not your fault that you think that.

As you’re not married you run the risk of working hard to look after everyone and everything only to be left once he has some money and you’ve done the child rearing. Sounds as though you would be better off alone as the respect has completely gone.

It’s Ok to leave because of the drink and drugs.

Proccy · 26/01/2026 07:43

The definition of insanity: carrying on doing the same things, but expect things to change.
Bob is no good for you, you are no good for Bob. Lose Bob

RueLepic · 26/01/2026 07:51

Ditch Bob.

Notmyreality · 26/01/2026 07:55

Sounds like Bob has adhd. The inability to understand the main point of the convo, the avoiding of talking about important issues, the taking time to process and come back to the point later rather than talk in the moment. All adhd.

Seaoftroubles · 26/01/2026 07:56

You and Bob sound incompatible. You've separated several times and he has shown you he can't or won't change so this is your future unless you take control. Don't worry what family or friends say, you know the truth and it will be better for your child in the long run if you part ways.
The drink and drugs would have been the deal breaker for me, that alone is reason enough to separate.

ChangeTheDayJob · 26/01/2026 08:26

Notmyreality · 26/01/2026 07:55

Sounds like Bob has adhd. The inability to understand the main point of the convo, the avoiding of talking about important issues, the taking time to process and come back to the point later rather than talk in the moment. All adhd.

Yes! It's a very real possibility. Bob knows this. Trouble is, Bob will not take control and seek help for it. Or all the other issues he has.

Probably why when we separated last time, Bob (even though being in a very good financial position - no rent to pay, no major outgoings except CM) decided to get a number of high interest loans out, went on holiday and then drank himself stupid for a few months. All while his family stroked his back and enabled him.

As much as I've tried, I cannot carry this burden for him for the foreseeable. And it can not be a forever excuse.

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Bummmmblebee · 26/01/2026 08:30

Partners are supposed to actively enhance your life, not make it difficult and sad.

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 26/01/2026 08:35

Communicate in writing. Trying to have a conversation with someone who’s repeatedly demonstrated they can’t do it is insanity.

So grey rock every day, manage the situation for a calm home, not a lovely relationship. Get the day to day stuff under control, with no rows because you aren’t expecting him to do/be different.

Anything you might want to say that would inevitably blow up into a row, make a note. Decide later whether you want to tackle it or not. If you do, write it down, give him the letter!email and then go out so he can read and process without reacting in the moment.

I know this isn’t ideal, but it’s a step you are going to have to go through on the way to resolving things.

You could, for example, decide to be ‘together apart’. You and DC get a calm home, and a partner for the good times, he doesn’t have the responsibility of adulting.

INeedAnotherName · 26/01/2026 08:38

The problems are still there despite therapy and separations and as he won't change enough to become a decent partner you have two choices @ChangeTheDayJob

Stay as you are until you die or eventually leave in twenty years after more hell
Or you make plans to leave now

It doesn't matter what he thinks. It doesn't matter what his mother thinks. It doesn't matter what Dave down the pub thinks. Your child can still adore him in his place when he sees her and it's far better to have at least one happy parent than two unhappy ones. This is YOUR life and the only person who matters is you and you have had enough. Make this year the start of a happier life for you, your child will thank you eventually.

Nn9011 · 26/01/2026 08:47

ChangeTheDayJob · 26/01/2026 07:16

I know. I am doing my best to protect DC from this shit show, but it's hard because she adores him. She is a little older now. I think I could have age appropriate conversations about it with her. His family consider me terrible because I separated from him. I believe one of the comments was, have I thought about DC in all of this. DC was the very reason I made him leave. I was trying to shield her from our toxicity.

It is unfair for your child to make her stay in this situation. You cannot get around it by having whatever you consider an 'age related' conversation is because the harm is still being done. You say your parents were heavy drinkers who didn't teach you life skills, unfortunately you are continuing the generational trauma just in a different way.
I am not saying this to make you feel worse, I'm saying it because you need a real wake up call. Children model their parents when they have relationships as adults, this is what you are teaching her is acceptable treatment.
You need to split for both you and your daughter and the constant split and back together is much more harmful in the long run than any permanent split will be.

starrylightts · 26/01/2026 09:09

Every post you write OP he sounds worse and worse and worse. I think unfortunately the big mistake you made was in getting back with him when you split up. You can't keep going back and forth - that will be much worse for your dd - you need to end it and mean it. Get yourself counselling and concentrate on you and your DC.

ChangeTheDayJob · 26/01/2026 11:12

OneHundredDays · 26/01/2026 07:13

You're flogging a dead horse with this one. He's not going to change now. Not enough, not permanently.
You're modelling a really poor relationship to your DD. I get that you feel she will blame you but longer term the impact of not leaving, of letting her think this is normal and ok, will be worse. Get out and show her that you can put yourself and her first. She will soon realise that mum is the stable, dependable parent.

Ask yourself if you'd be happy for her to have a similar relationship in future. It sounds like you've gone some way to break your parents cycle, and are telling yourself things aren't that bad - but they do sound bad, the cycle is continuing -albeit toba lesser degree - and could very well continue in your DDs life too.

I know it is all easy for a stranger on the internet to say and very different when you're the one living it and ground down by it. You're wasting your best years - and your DD's childhood - on someone who continually lets you down.

Wishing you all the very best.

Edited

Thank you @OneHundredDays

I appreciate you taking the time to respond, and I know you're right.

I can already see the damage we're doing to DC. She speaks to her dad with so much disrespect. Not so much me. I believe because I have stronger boundaries, and because I rarely speak to her with disrespect. He believes it's because we separated, and will not hear that it's because she is mirroring him. I've sent him information and education about communicating with children. How some of the things she sees in him is considered verbal abuse.

It's all very real when it's written in black and white. There's nowhere to hide from it. I feel ashamed.

Thank you again, stranger on the internet.

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