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Am I a terrible person? What should I do.

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IveStuffedUp · 07/01/2026 00:06

This is very long. I'm not a creative writing wannabe and it is not AI. But I am in a mess.

TL;DR
I escaped an abusive marriage and later spent years in a complicated, unhealthy relationship with Gordon, who was still legally married. A crisis involving Lee led to a pregnancy and termination, which Gordon never stopped using against me. Over time he became verbally abusive, controlling, financially dependent, and unwilling to change or leave his marital home. As I rebuilt my life and became more independent, my feelings faded.

I had an abusive marriage with Charles (he was verbally and physically abusive and raped me) and it ended in my 30s after 11 years when I found out he had been cheating and asked him to leave. He moved in with the OW and my in-laws gaslit me about it pretending he lived with them. I was blindsided though because he'd conditioned me to think that I couldn't cope alone, but two years later I bought a house. I had a tough two years in between as my XH continued to be abusive financially, I lost my job and was scraping by on temping money, I had some disastrous dates and felt a failure and Charles was trying to get me out of the house so he could move back in. I got a decent job and bought a house in the end though.

I then started a relationship with my XH's former friend Gordon - they had fallen out when XH and I split. He was married with 2 small children. Now with hindsight I would NEVER go out with a married man EVER. He told me that he hadn't really ever been in love with his wife Jenny, she didn't like his family and was rude to his friends. I knew her, she wasn't my cup of tea but she wasn't a bad person, a bit stand offish and superior but OK.

I had a relationship for four years with Gordon and it was very positive, we loved each other and got on well and he was a great person. He said he would leave his wife Jenny and we made plans to buy a house, and got engaged (I know you can't really if you are married, but you know what I mean). We bought a house, and he left home and we moved in. He told his children and his wife bought him out of the house. I now feel ashamed of this.

What happened next was terrible. I had been doing a research project for a few months and I was on a discussion forum for it, and I became friendly with one of the participants, Lee, whose ancestor was part of the historical story I was researching about. We corresponded a lot on this, and eventually he started low key flirting with me. He was a good 15 years younger than me and lived in Canada though his family was originally local to me. He became very infatuated and because I wanted info from him for my research I played along more than I should have. I was invited to Canada for a holiday. I went, reasoning to myself that it was an opportunity I wouldn't get again. I stayed with his parents. I liked chatting with him, but I wasn't attracted to him and I didn't want to be with him as a partner. This was never on the cards. I did this when Gordon was away himself, and fibbed about where I went. I know of course this was deceitful. I went there for about 10 days, met his family and friends, saw the sights. He was also coming to the UK later to meet family, but when he did, he seemed to think I was his girlfriend. I had told him about Gordon and the house. I was trying to juggle my job and new house and life and I didn't want any more than to be friends with Lee. He started turning up at my work, phoning me and so on, sending gifts. I didn't want to fall out with him but I didn't want a romantic relationship with him. My partner was furious about this as he thought he had left his family for nothing and I had let him down. I was naive, but I was still committed to the relationship with him. We'd bought a house!

Lee just ramped up the attention, turning up at my work and annoying me and upsetting my colleagues. I got into bother at work and couldn't focus. I felt terrified. I should have told him to FRIG OFF but I felt that too harsh, and it all came to a head when I went on a conference with work, and agreed to meet Lee. My plan was to tell him Face to Face that I wanted him to leave me alone. I met him at his hotel, he was crying and upset and telling me he loved me and would kill himself, his mother was dying, all sorts of stuff, and to shut him up and get him off my case I allowed him to shag me. I won't say I slept with him because that is not what happened. I then planned to ghost him. But what actually happened is I became pregnant and had to confess to Gordon.

This caused massive fallout. I chose a termination. That was my choice and I will defend it forever, and it was the right thing for me. It ended my relationship with Gordon, because he couldn't forgive me (even though he had cheated with me for four years and I later found he'd cheated on his wife with others before me). He moved back home, told his wife all about it, Jenny said I was irrational and was to be nowhere near her children, and there was a hell of a fallout. It was horrendous and I was signed off sick from work. Though I had done the right thing with the termination, I knew that, it was no picnic and it affected my mental health. But that was all OK as I deserved it, I had brought it on myself.

Gordon blamed me for conning him, said I had pushed things, nagged him to leave Jenny, that I was evil, had conned his children, stolen their lives, all sorts of things. I still loved him and carried a massive burden of guilt for ruining the relationship and I wanted to make it right. The termination was not a bed of roses, and though I have no regrets, I got a lot of abuse from Gordon during that time. He hated me. I had to constantly prove myself. I could never be sorry enough for him.

I would add that he didn't move back as husband and wife. I know that might sound naive, but it really is true. They have had no physical relationship since then, Jenny has had other relationships. They have separate rooms. He was bought out of the property and AFAIK is not on the deeds of the house.

What then happened was that he wanted us to get back together, he had never stopped loving me etc. He wanted us to start again. Cue a lot of messing about with offers for property and him changing his mind because he said he couldn't trust me. At that time all I wanted to do was settle down, but I was full of guilt and felt it was all on me to repair the relationship. In the end, he blew me out at the solicitors when we were to sign for a property saying he couldn't trust me. At this point the house we had bought together was sold and I was in crappy rented accommodation. I went out that afternoon and viewed properties and bought my own house which I have now paid off. It's small but it's mine.

We continued to see each other but after that I never felt quite the same. We went on holidays, days out, meals etc but over the years since then the glue has come away. It has been a very slow long process. I didn't want to sleep with him anymore. Not sure why - menopause, emotional fallout, don't know. He continued to live at the former marital home and contribute to bills. He then again over the years talked about us buying a property, getting married, starting again, but I was always reticent. He did a lot for me, helping me with the house and garden. But since he left me at the solicitors office something closed off for me and I don't know what. I did love him, but I couldn't make myself vulnerable any more. I also couldn't tie myself to him financially and legally and be abused in my own home, as he went on and on about Lee and "what you did" and the effect it had on him.

Why did he seek a reconciliation with me then?

Over the years too things changed about my feelings about seeing someone who is married. Even though they're not husband and wife in the traditional way they've both gaslit their (now adult) children - who must know things aren't right, parents have their own room and never do things together unless it was going to their sons' graduations, have separate holidays and friends and so on. When I told Gordon I couldn't (could no longer) commit to someone who is legally married to and living with another woman, even if the relationship wasn't sexual or romantic, he didn't like that. He is still legally married and living with Jenny. Jenny won't fork out for a divorce and he has nowhere else to go. But he says that he can never let Jenny know if he is in a relationship with someone else (be that me or anyone) or she would chuck him out. Why if she's not interested in him? She doesn't present herself as a married woman or wear a ring.

Over the years with Gordon after me buying my own house, I did get "involved" with two other men. I am embarrassed and ashamed of this. Not in a cheating or relationship or sexual way. But I had what I think was a very low key but inappropriate friendship with a (18+) student - nothing ever happened but we were too friendly, and I also met up with a man called George for drinks a time or two (I met him accidentally in a shopping centre) whom I had known as a teenager who like Lee, wouldn't let go, used the compassion trap on me and I felt guilty about not seeing him. After one meeting with him after catching up I thought "yep, that's done" but I felt guilty about ignoring his texts. I didn't want him, I didn't fancy him, I didn't even like him when I met him again as he got worse. When I knew George as a young teenager he was six years older and seemed glamorous now he just seemed a foolish failure. He hung on like a limpet and I was too soft to tell him to leave me alone. I knew there was something odd about him, and I was right as he has now been in the worst kind of trouble with the police. At the time he was in touch with me (he behaved terribly) Gordon intervened with that one and I never saw George again thankfully.

Years after I went to Canada, Lee got in touch again out of the blue, finding my contact details at work online. He emailed me and told me he was now married with kids, and I exchanged a couple of emails with him about the World Cup. This must be at least four World Cups ago. Nothing more than that. Gordon read it and went mad at me accusing me of cheating.

But it took its toll on my mental health, feeling a failure, and Gordon dined out on both of these for years and years. Evidence of me being untrustworthy and a cheat. But I didn't do anything with these guys.

Now to the present.

Gordon is now retired (v.early) and on a 75% pension - he never has any money. There is no way he can leave the former marital home, because he can't get a mortgage and can't afford to rent anywhere, he also says renting is dead money. I agree. He also says he likes doing the garden and he has a selection of mates nearby who he meets for a drink and to play pool with. When we've been on holiday or out I have paid for 100% of everything. I don't want to have sex with him, and I don't know why. I've tried talking about it and he gets angry. He tells me that Jenny loathes me (after a quarter of a century) and would pour petrol through my letterbox and set my house on fire. Why would she? And why doesn't she loathe the other women he went with before me?

I told him I am happy to be friends. He suggested this a year ago himself. But he gets very abusive towards me (verbally never physical) about lack of sex. I don't see him a lot, once a week maybe, going out for a drink. It all blew up the other week when he said he wanted us to try again and I don't show him any "affection". I said our relationship was that of friends, he'd agreed to that and I was working within those parameters. He didn't agree and said I never hold his hand, tweak his ear, smack his bum, squeeze his shoulder when I get up to go to the bar (I would never do that! He doesn't know me at all if he suggested that!) or make supermarket trips exciting. "We're friends are we? Where are the benefits?" he asks. These rants happen every so often, usually when away. It's bizarre.

I also have confided in him a lot, because I saw him as a mash up of a friend, family member and big brother. But he uses that information against me in insults. He says I abuse him, but whilst I may be guilty of not being tactile or public displays of affection, nothing is deliberate or personal. His attacks on me are deeply personal and intended to wound.

He spent an hour on the phone to me ranting, last week telling me all my faults, acknowledging that he is abusive, but that I bring it on myself by not showing him affection or caring. That's why he gets abusive and calls me names, moans, complains and nitpicks about my driving, my intelligence and abilities. He says something has to give sometimes. Then he says I am "gorgeous" and he loves me. He thinks I am "loaded" because of my job, which is not true. I can pay my way, afford a few minibreaks and outings, stay in the black, but that's about it. There were more insults all about me as a person and character assassination. If I was so terrible, why do my friends still continue to be my friends? Why don't my colleagues hate me?

I also asked him what would happen if one of us died. How would I know if he had died? How would I attend the funeral? What would his family think? I would not exist. Meanwhile his wife whom he has not had a "marriage" with for decades gets to benefit from that. He expects a committed sexual relationship but with all the benefits - legal and financial - to go to his family. Not that he has much, if anything, only a pension. He refuses to discuss that, saying "I have no plans to sign off". Neither did Tom Parker or Lisa Marie Presley. But it happens. It's not that I actually want money or an inheritance from him, it is the principle of it. He expects a sexual relationship from someone who is persona non grata. "Oh it's all about money is it?" he says. No it isn't. He refuses to understand. The fact that I was prepared to have a relationship with a married man decades ago doesn't mean I think that it is OK to do that now. I have changed.

I have a very independent life now. After lots of hit and miss jobs I have a really good one plus lots of outside interests, I am very busy. I enjoy the times I spend with him chatting but not when he turns on me. The last outburst called me selfish, cold as ice, like a brick, like a stone, wrapped up in myself, me me me, using him for a mug. Yes he has helped me physically with DIY over the years. When we have been away, he has contributed half until recently and it's all on me 100%. How does that make him a mug? I do all the driving, use my petrol, my car.

There have been lots of nice times, but always I feel he is critical of me, I don't measure up. I don't cook like his mum. I am no longer the sexy person I was in the beginning. I don't wear high heels. (nobody would for a lunchtime drink in the pub when you are doing all the driving)

I have covered up for him going back to live in the former marital home after we sold our property by telling my friends that he has a flat by himself. I was embarrassed as I didn't want comments about affairs with a married man and people thinking badly of him, but I have cut off my support system and anyone to talk to by doing that.

What am I asking? I have brought all this on myself by "cheating" as he sees it. Trying to make it up for years and years and never being able to. Why have my feelings changed? Is all this a result of me going to Canada, and would it have been bliss if this had never happened? Or is this his nature that has become more pronounced with getting older and he would have been like that anyway? He's admitted he is an "arse" but does that mean he can do it with impunity because he can't help it?

He said I conned him. I never did. I did a lot of things wrong, but I didn't con him or cheat on him. Am I a terrible person who deserves to be guilty forever? I think I have wasted a lot of years, that is for sure.

OP posts:
Thegiant60yearoldbaby · 07/01/2026 00:20

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StarCourt · 07/01/2026 00:41

You’re right Op you’re not a creative writer

Runningoutofpatiencefucksandmoney · 07/01/2026 01:17

😐🙄

TheCosyViewer · 07/01/2026 01:20

Well done to anyone who reads that in its entirety from start to finish. I started reading, then skimmed through parts and then gave up altogether.

WinterWooliesBaa · 07/01/2026 01:22

StarCourt · 07/01/2026 00:41

You’re right Op you’re not a creative writer

🤣🤣👍🏻🙌

Cappie73 · 07/01/2026 01:26

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FiveShelties · 07/01/2026 01:32

Are you a terrible person?

Well maybe, or perhaps not......................

CamillaMcCauley · 07/01/2026 01:44

Nobody has the time or energy to read all that but from as far as I got, yes, you seem to be a fairly terrible person.

Lifesyoungdream · 07/01/2026 01:58

TheCosyViewer · 07/01/2026 01:20

Well done to anyone who reads that in its entirety from start to finish. I started reading, then skimmed through parts and then gave up altogether.

I did the same and only because I suffer from insomnia and can’t sleep.
It’s too difficult a post to understand to have an opinion.

MaggieBsBoat · 07/01/2026 02:04

You’re not terrible, but you are conflict avoidant and emotionally immature.

gishgalloping · 07/01/2026 02:53

I read the whole thing. Dump Gordon and get yourself therapy (a lot of therapy) to work out why you repeatedly allow these losers to control your life and happiness.

Lurkingandlearning · 07/01/2026 03:31

You are not naive but you seem to think everyone else is. Good luck with that

Neighull · 07/01/2026 03:44

Why are you still pursuing an abusive married man? What does he give you?

jackdunnock · 07/01/2026 04:07

All I got from that is that you think your life choices are everyone's fault but your own. You cheated on your partner (who you were actually the ow with) with a bloke you didn't even fancy, got pregnant, had a termination, and yet you have no regrets? If you don't regret that lot, and you can't accept responsobilty for your actions, then you can't improve yourself and rise of of this cycle of shittiness.

LilyBunch25 · 07/01/2026 06:26

This was just too long for me.

Kidsgotothatschool · 07/01/2026 06:43

You do sound pretty terrible - yes!

My advice, ditch the men, you’re clearly able to stand on your own two feet financially and get into therapy!

Seaoftroubles · 07/01/2026 08:21

You seem to have no self awareness, no ability to learn from past mistakes and have made irrational choices with toxic men. My advice would be to steer clear of all men, including Gordon (who is not your friend!) and get therapy to help you understand why you have behaved in such a reckless, erratic way and self sabotaging way.

PipeOfPringles · 07/01/2026 08:43

You seem incredibly passive in your own life. And you seem unable to just be yourself and not be involved with a man.

Why have you got anything to do with any of them? How do they benefit your life? I don't get it.

Catza · 07/01/2026 08:45

I'm a bit confused about your last paragraph where you said you didn't cheat on him when half of your post is going on about you cheating on him and getting pregnant...

But, more broadly, neither of you covered yourselves in glory and I am not entirely sure why you continued with this charade of a relationship for quarter of a century. What you should do is cut ties with him and get some counselling to process your guilt. That's no way to live your life even if you are a "terrible person".

Waitingfordoggo · 07/01/2026 08:57

I got about halfway through then gave up. Therapists are paid to hear other people’s long and complicated life stories. Maybe see one of those.

PashaMinaMio · 07/01/2026 09:23

Ive read it all but only because I’m laid up poorly in bed!

I do wonder if you’re writing a book?

Anyway, no you’re not a terrible person but you have poor judgement and terrible taste in men who clearly manipulate you.

Stop being so passive.

It’s time to totally kick Gordon into touch, block him on everything. You are never going to recover your self esteem until you totally stop it being dependent on him. He’s an abuser and user.

Get some therapy and take some time to heal. Find out who you are and what you’re capable of!

Learn to stand on your own two feet. Stop wasting your life on useless men. Make 2026 your year and shrug off the guilt and millstone around your neck.

RealEagle · 07/01/2026 09:31

My head hurts

AnneLovesGilbert · 07/01/2026 09:44

Why are you so scared to be on your own? I’ve read the whole thing and it’s a litany of navel gazing and absolving yourself of responsibility for innumerable appalling decisions.

HelloDenise · 07/01/2026 10:07

It's taken 20 minutes to read this post. Id wonder about what messages you got about men and relationships as you grew up. It sounds like excessive people pleasing in the extreme.

@Catza I was confused about that but reading it again it looks like she had a pity shag with the Canadian fella.

OpheliaHamlet · 07/01/2026 10:49

It is time to put Gordon out of his misery. Whatever your current relationship with him is limping on as, I think you should sever that link. You and Gordon aren’t the first ex lovers to mistake a lengthy shared history, and familiarity, for friendship and mutual respect.
Then, get therapy. Find whatever therapy works for you, and stick with it. I recommend choosing to be by yourself for awhile. Reconnect with friends. Enjoy life without a man.

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