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I can't forgive my SIL - sorry long post - please advise

61 replies

susia · 10/06/2008 21:16

I am a single mother of a lovely 4 and a half year old boy. I think I am bringing him up well and we have a good life. I have a well paid part time job, own my own house, have lots of friends and although sometimes life is a bit lonely for me, my son is happy and well adjusted.

However, an incident happened 3 years ago that I find impossible to forgive with my SIL. It was on her hen night and at the time we both had one year olds. Until that point I thought we'd always got on ok. Anyway, I was staying at their house and after going out with her friends she was really, really drunk. She then proceeded to tell me loads of stuff about her family such as how her father had sexually abused her as a child and had committed suicide when she was 14 and how they weren't close as a family etc.

Obviously I was really shocked and felt really sorry for her. BUT then she said, 'you're lucky having such a close family...AND your father told me you were the cross he has to bear' I said 'WHAT???!' and she said 'you've always been the black sheep of the family, your father is at his wits end about you, he came into your brother's shop (my other brother) ranting about you...I know you and X (other brother) don't get on...'

I was completely flabbergasted, can't remember what I said but I remember her saying 'you're twisting things...like you always do!' but went to bed, drove home and then spoke to my parent's about it. My dad denied it to the hilt and wrote her a letter which she didn't respond to. Two weeks later it was their wedding. I went to it for the sake of my parents but couldn't look at her let alone congratulate her and for a long time my family supported the way I felt.

Time has obviously moved on, they now have 2 children, she has never apologised and over time I have learned to be civil to her for the sake of my parents who are in their 70's and would hate a confrontation.

My brother and I have lost the close relationship we once had. We were really close, in fact he lived with me rent free for about 2 years when he first met her.

My brother unfortunatley had eavesdropped part of our conversation that night and had misunderstood another part of the conversation where I had been telling SIL about how much he loved her. That he had previously been a real player (everyone including her knew that) and had cheated badly on his ex. The point of the conversation - although really stupid now I realise (I was quite drunk too though not too much to remember every word) was to reassure her that he loved her - he never would have committed to another relationship. Anyway, my brother heard snippits of this and they must have discussed it and she told him nothing of what she said.

The three of us fell out for about a year, he took her side (obviously as he had just married her) and had heard nothing about what she said to me.

Even now I still can't forgive her, she has ruined my relationship with my brother (which is now alot better but not like it was), and tried to ruin the relationship I have with my father. To be fair, I split with my son's father when I was 6 months pregnant and then moved house so wasn't in the best of places and there was one family row in that time where I behaved immaturely. However, considering the circumstances (both my SILs were pregnant at the time) I think I coped really well, didn't go off the rails, sold my flat, bought a new one nearer my family and since then I have brought up my son without looking back.

To an outsider we get on ok, we only see each other at family functions (still about 8 times a year) but I can't forgive her. I have told my brother about what was said and he doesn't say anything/denies it. She has never apologised. For a long time I felt so insecure - that my father must have felt that although he has completely denied ever feeling that way.

I would really like some advice, do you think I should one day say something to her?

OP posts:
Kewcumber · 12/06/2008 22:19

If you think that those of us saying let it go are "siding" with your SIL then you are very much mistaken. I have no idea if she said what she said in retaliation or not (and I suspect you don't know either) I'm saying that her memory of that evening may be very different to you AND I am saying that if you want a good relationship with your brother trying to humiliate his wife into apologising for something she may (or may not) have done three years ago is not the way to do it. Being relentlessly pleasant to his wife and him (whatever your views of her) is.

If you just want sympathy then I sympathise dyfunctional families are the pits. If you want is advise (as you claimed to) then my advice is, no, I don't think that you should say anything to her.

Kewcumber · 12/06/2008 22:20

much more neatly put than me, Quattro

milkgoddessmakesthefinestmilk · 12/06/2008 22:24

if she was sexually abused as a child its no wonder shes a bit messed up.
leave her alone imo.
you dont want to be friends with her fine, just be cival

milkgoddessmakesthefinestmilk · 12/06/2008 22:25

if she was sexually abused as a child its no wonder shes a bit messed up.
leave her alone imo.
you dont want to be friends with her fine, just be cival

milkgoddessmakesthefinestmilk · 12/06/2008 22:26

if she was sexually abused as a child its no wonder shes a bit messed up.
leave her alone imo.
you dont want to be friends with her fine, just be cival

milkgoddessmakesthefinestmilk · 12/06/2008 22:29

opps sorry that was my cat walking on the keyboard pesky git

anniemac · 12/06/2008 23:04

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quinne · 18/06/2008 21:24

Why don't you call your brother and ask him to meet you (as casually as possible)? When you see him tell him that you miss having him around, you know things change when a sibling gets married and it is all normal etc but say you would really like to be in touch with him a bit more. Pretend you haven't noticed any problem with his wife and talk normally. Basically try to pretend to him (and her) that you are neutral about her and slowly try to rebuild your relationship with your brother.
Think of it this way.. she has made the rest of your family unhappy, so imagine what she may well be doing to his life behind closed doors. He might need you. So give him a chance and don't back him into a corner where he feels he has to defend his wife.

skidoodle · 18/06/2008 22:32

Sounds to me like what she said was true and she's spent the last 3 years suffering because of it.

It makes far more sense that she stupidly and drunkenly blurted out something she thought you knew but completely misjudged the situation through being an outsider.

It sounds like you were having one of those ridiculous late-night drunken conversations that veer into very dangerous areas. The stuff you said to her about your brother was a horrible thing to say. I assume you would never have said it while sober, but it came out because you were having one of those "let's go there even though we shouldn't, because we are so close" conversations, aka "when I first knew you I thought you were an asshole, but now I think you're great".

I think the reason you are so angry about this situation and won't let it go, is because you need the story about her deliberately trying to split up your family to be true, and her to be a terrible person, because it's easier than facing the truth of how the rest of your family saw/see you.

It's very hard hearing what other people think of you when it's not positive and particularly when it comes as a surprise. It's normally best not to know what people say about us when we're not around, because they will express the same things they say to us but in different ways that we might find hurtful.

I suspect that she was trying to tell you how much your family loved you in the same cackhanded way you were trying to tell her how much her brother loved her. But you were both interposing yourselves in relationships where you had no business being and didn't know the score. And you were both saying things that at base were pretty hurtful and unnecessary.

Stop punishing her because you're afraid your parents are disappointed in you.

MerryMarigold · 18/06/2008 22:44

You're right, susia, that we really don't know the situation, you, your family or her. We are (some more than others) judging and reading into the situation based on our own experiences.

However, there are some issues which do not rely on any interpretation of the situation:

  1. Not letting go of this issue is doing you more harm than it is doing her
  2. You, and your family, are responsible for yourselves. She has not 'made' you do anything and is still not 'making' you do everything.

You are not a victim here, though you can choose to be. You totally have the control and the power to turn this situation around. Sounds like everyone would be happier if you did.

QuintessentialShadows · 18/06/2008 22:49

So, she confides that she was sexually abused by her father, who later committed suicide. You try to reassure her of her fiancees love for her by telling her he was shagging about until he met her. Sounds like exactly the kind of thing an incest victim likes to hear 2 weeks before her wedding...
And you dont understand her possible rage and frustration and why she may have wanted to hurt you? SHE was hurt by her father, she wanted you too to feel hurt in regards to your father.

You should pity her, and find out why are so keen to lay all the blame on her for this fall-out. Your brother is possibly a very good and understanding man. And your parents in a very tricky position.

Dont make it worse.

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