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I can't forgive my SIL - sorry long post - please advise

61 replies

susia · 10/06/2008 21:16

I am a single mother of a lovely 4 and a half year old boy. I think I am bringing him up well and we have a good life. I have a well paid part time job, own my own house, have lots of friends and although sometimes life is a bit lonely for me, my son is happy and well adjusted.

However, an incident happened 3 years ago that I find impossible to forgive with my SIL. It was on her hen night and at the time we both had one year olds. Until that point I thought we'd always got on ok. Anyway, I was staying at their house and after going out with her friends she was really, really drunk. She then proceeded to tell me loads of stuff about her family such as how her father had sexually abused her as a child and had committed suicide when she was 14 and how they weren't close as a family etc.

Obviously I was really shocked and felt really sorry for her. BUT then she said, 'you're lucky having such a close family...AND your father told me you were the cross he has to bear' I said 'WHAT???!' and she said 'you've always been the black sheep of the family, your father is at his wits end about you, he came into your brother's shop (my other brother) ranting about you...I know you and X (other brother) don't get on...'

I was completely flabbergasted, can't remember what I said but I remember her saying 'you're twisting things...like you always do!' but went to bed, drove home and then spoke to my parent's about it. My dad denied it to the hilt and wrote her a letter which she didn't respond to. Two weeks later it was their wedding. I went to it for the sake of my parents but couldn't look at her let alone congratulate her and for a long time my family supported the way I felt.

Time has obviously moved on, they now have 2 children, she has never apologised and over time I have learned to be civil to her for the sake of my parents who are in their 70's and would hate a confrontation.

My brother and I have lost the close relationship we once had. We were really close, in fact he lived with me rent free for about 2 years when he first met her.

My brother unfortunatley had eavesdropped part of our conversation that night and had misunderstood another part of the conversation where I had been telling SIL about how much he loved her. That he had previously been a real player (everyone including her knew that) and had cheated badly on his ex. The point of the conversation - although really stupid now I realise (I was quite drunk too though not too much to remember every word) was to reassure her that he loved her - he never would have committed to another relationship. Anyway, my brother heard snippits of this and they must have discussed it and she told him nothing of what she said.

The three of us fell out for about a year, he took her side (obviously as he had just married her) and had heard nothing about what she said to me.

Even now I still can't forgive her, she has ruined my relationship with my brother (which is now alot better but not like it was), and tried to ruin the relationship I have with my father. To be fair, I split with my son's father when I was 6 months pregnant and then moved house so wasn't in the best of places and there was one family row in that time where I behaved immaturely. However, considering the circumstances (both my SILs were pregnant at the time) I think I coped really well, didn't go off the rails, sold my flat, bought a new one nearer my family and since then I have brought up my son without looking back.

To an outsider we get on ok, we only see each other at family functions (still about 8 times a year) but I can't forgive her. I have told my brother about what was said and he doesn't say anything/denies it. She has never apologised. For a long time I felt so insecure - that my father must have felt that although he has completely denied ever feeling that way.

I would really like some advice, do you think I should one day say something to her?

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warthog · 10/06/2008 22:25

thing is i think you're feeling quite bitter about her and want to get beyond it somehow. i'm not sure a confrontation is going to provide you with that solution.

TheFallenMadonna · 10/06/2008 22:27

I think if you have it out with her you may well caue problmes between you and your brother. And I can't see why you would want to do that.

susia · 10/06/2008 22:31

No, I did like her before. I thought we had a close relationship. I said what I did about my brother out of tactlessness not out of spite, it was well intentioned and misinterpreted whatever you think. But she said things that were designed to cause alot of hurt and they did.

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susia · 10/06/2008 22:36

I also feel as my parents do as well that she wanted to spoil the relationship within our family as her own as been so bad.

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dittany · 10/06/2008 22:39

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ravenAK · 10/06/2008 22:40

& could you like her again?

If she took on board your comments, apologised etc?

Because if not, why go there?

susia · 10/06/2008 22:43

No I never felt like a burden to my parents, the black sheep etc, etc. But I felt insecure being on my own pregnant and that's why it bothered me so much as well as the fact that she was trying to cause a rift within a family she was joining. If I had believed my Dad had said those things it could have caused a rift between us and really isolated me at a time that I needed my parents.

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Kewcumber · 10/06/2008 22:47

if you feel the things she said were designed to be hurtful why on earth do you think she's going to apologise or even care that you were hurt.

You don't have to forgive her. Just move on. The only person who is carrying this inside them in a way which sounds very corrosive is you and you need to find a way past it. One of the sad wisdoms which comes with age is that people don't often get what they deserve.

i wonder if she even remembers what was said and if she does I stringly suspect the comments about your brother are the ones she;d remember - being well intentioned doesn;t make tactless commetns any less hurtful for the hearer unfortunately and it was presumably just before her wedding. Perhaps she is struggling with the whole concept of forgiving you.

I am shocked though that you appear to doubt your Dad's word over a drunken insecure SIL.

susia · 10/06/2008 22:52

No I NEVER doubted my Dad's word - I don't know why I gave that impression. I always have known how much my Dad loves me. He has always been totally supportive.

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Kewcumber · 10/06/2008 23:01

"my father must have felt that " thats what gave me the impression.

But do you understand the point people are trying to make? You seem to think there is going to be a way you are going to feel btter - you will rake it up again and she will realise how hurt you were and apologise. Its not going to happen..

You will rake it all up again and either:

a) your brother will jump to the defence of his wife and the family will divide along party lines;
b) she will have completely forgotten the drunken comment she made and think you qare bonkers to still be festering over it;
c) she will only remember you trying to tell her what a two-timing shit her soon to be husband is and which she has never forgiven you for;
d) she recalls deliberately stirring to try to force a wedge between you and your family and will be highly amused that it has been bugging you ever since. "Job well done" she will think in that case.

Scenario e) she acknowledges hurt and apologieses is only going to happen if she is a nice and self aware indiviual and if thats the case then she was unlikely to have deliberately said the things she did and you will have been guilty of turning the whole event into such a big deal that it hurt many of the family.

Which of a - e, would you fancy having to deal with?

Sorry I know that sounds blunt but I'd suggest you leave this thread - read it again tomorrow in the cold light of day and try to see why people are reacting the way they are based on the one of your OP.

This whole crusade is not good for you, it will not give you the closure you think you need.

Scavo · 10/06/2008 23:01

i suggest writing the letter as warthog just said, but send it to her, at least then she'll know the hurt she has caused you, maybe she's not too clear on what she said that night either??

MerryMarigold · 12/06/2008 04:13

If you listen to Scavo over everyone else on here, then it's because it's the only thing you want to hear. Don't do it, and run over Kewcumber's different outcomes in your head...I'm sure there's a few more too, but I doubt ANY of them are positive.

If you can, figure out why you are so hurt about this and can't let it go. Where is your issue - and forget about hers - because dealing with whatever has caused you to feel this way (and it is really not reasonable, though there may be a good reason in yourself why you are not reacting reasonable). This awareness may help you to change and mature. People say silly, stupid things all the time when they are drunk, let alone as drunk as on a hen night! Tbh, I feel sorry for her that her in laws still resent it years later.

EffiePerine · 12/06/2008 06:42

It comes down to hating your SIL over a drunken argument at her hen night (always fraught IME) 3 years ago. You need to move on. You were both drunk, you prob both said things you regret, you liked her beforehand - I think it's time for you to be the adult here.

quinne · 12/06/2008 07:03

I am probably being dim but which is the problem:-

  1. You don't get on with you SIL?
  2. Your relationship with your brother?
  3. She hurt you one night a few years ago?

If its 1., then forget it. She is only your SIL. Just be polite and civil and make your friends elsewhere.

If it is 2. Then you should try to fix it without bringing his wife into it.

If it is 3., then you need to let go, especially as it sounds like the hurt was reciprocal even if not intended on your side.

PortAndLemon · 12/06/2008 08:14

You were both drunk.

The fact that at the time she immediately said you were twisting things suggests that she didn't necessarily mean what she said the way it came out.

You fell out with your brother over what you said (OK, you didn't mean it the way he took it, but you still said it) and probably also because of the way you were treating his wife, who has to be his top priority. If one of my siblings refused to even look at my DH then you bet it would affect my relationship with that sibling. I don't think your attitude that "she has ruined my relationship with my brother" is fair.

And listen to Kewcumber, who is Always Right.

Kewcumber · 12/06/2008 20:03

Snort at "Kewcumber is always right"! If only!

susia · 12/06/2008 21:41

No I fell out with my brother because of what SHE said! incidentally, my parents had to talk my other brother and his wife and my aunt into attending their wedding because they were so angry on my behalf.

My SIL didn't take offence at the time to what I said and AGREED with me which is why I think you are misunderstanding - only when she realised how upset I was by what she'd said. Then later my brother said that he had heard and they had discussed what I had said. I think she said it in her defence to make out I'd said something awful first and though it might sound awful - she agreed and that was not the cause of the argument.

TBH it really wasn't a case of me saying something bad and her retailiating.

I know that I do need to move on but my only issue is my relationship with my brother. My whole family (my parent's feel they have 'lost' him to her) feel she is manipulative and unhinged (suicide attempts, manic way of talking, even her own mother didn't speak to her for 2 years).

I know you are all probably thinking 'poor her' but I think maybe I have phrased it all wrong. She is a very strange woman.

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greenelizabeth · 12/06/2008 21:49

That is really sad. I can't give you any advice, but I think she resented the fact that you had had a happy childhood. I knw a man who married a girl who had been abused. And to start with it all seemed OK, but she seemed to turn on him after a while. She couldn't bear the fact that his childhood had been happy and that he wasn't suffering like she was. He couldn't help her. He said to her that his childhood was over and both of them having had miserable childhoods wouldn't make things easier.

It sounds YOU represent what she didn't have. NO excuse though.

I agree with PPs that suggest NOT bringing it up. She envies you as it is. She probably wouldn't welcome being humiliated and she might say nasty things to you that would stir it all up again.

She KNOWS she tried to cause troube and was caught out! Leave it at that! She KNOWS it's YOUR choice not to be close to her. She KNOWS she pushed you away by being devious and nasty.

I still pity her though. I'm glad my brother isn't married to her mind you. I don't blame you for thinking wtf did my brother not marry somebody else?

madamez · 12/06/2008 21:55

Well I'm glad I'm not married to the OPs brother, if the whole family want to carry on a 3-year feud over a drunken rant on a hen-night.
It's equally possible that the brother clings to his wife and prefers her to his grudge-holding self-righteous family, after all.

susia · 12/06/2008 21:57

thankyou greenelizabeth I feel you understand what the issue is about but I feel that other people have felt that what I said was the cause of it all. I really don't believe it was. I believe that was an excuse and although I really shouldn't have said what I did I honestly believe that she said what she did to try (and succeeded) to break up what was previously a normal happy family to make it more like hers.

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dittany · 12/06/2008 21:57

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susia · 12/06/2008 22:01

because Dittany she has caused damage within our family. I resent her for the hurt she caused me and for causing our family to not get on.

Her mother didn't speak to her - doesn't mean she was in the wrong but it a part of many things.

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LittlePeanut · 12/06/2008 22:06

Susia

I feel so sorry for you. My SIL has caused problems between myself and DB and it is bloody heartbreaking.

The people that are siding with your "poor" SIL clearly have never been in this situation.

I do agree though that you have little to gain by raking it all up. You have just got to try to move on and accept that this unjustice will never be put right. Hard, I know.

Good luck.

saadia · 12/06/2008 22:10

FWIW I think that if you are still so angry and can't feel any forgiveness for her then the best thing is to have as little to do with her as possible and accept your brother's stance. I know it's horrible to in a sense "lose" a sibling, but I think it would do you more harm than good to bring it all up now.

Quattrocento · 12/06/2008 22:17

If you keep picking at scabs, you will end up with a permanent scar