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Discussing not feeling anything during sex with partner

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Whackamole11 · 21/11/2025 20:40

After 8 years together I think I've worked out that my wife does not feel much during sex. Not just not orgasm, but like the sensation is rubbing your elbow. It took a while because she makes the movements and sounds, but I think its for me. I'm considering talking to her about it so it becomes less of a secret and a burden to her.

When we started dating I eventually asked her how she orgasms. She said that she never has. I went through a phase of trying to be the one to make her come but did not have success with different types of foreplay, oral vibrators etc. She said that oral overstimulates her. I eventually settled on keeping things varied trusting that she enjoyed it and that she wasn't able to orgasm. The frequency goes up and down depending on stress and life, but has typically been 3-5 times per month.

Our children are getting older, and we have our lives back to an extent. I thought she might have had more energy and interest, but she is receptive only, and never asks for specific things, never touches herself, and wants things to stop after I come. I read a lot of relationship blogs and learned about receptive desire, loss of desire in monogamy etc. So I tried more romance, foreplay, being the best partner I can be. I could tell it stressed her out and of course little changed. She has never brought up sex in a conversation and is uncomfortable when I do.

The best explanation I can think of is that she doesn't actually feel much. I think she is worried about being 'broken' or not enough'. She is scared Inwill be upset/angry and that it will push us apart or lead to an affair.

The thing she most enjoys is a long slow massage. Should I try to bring this up and see if we can change. More massages. When we do have sex, focus on closeness and forget the toys and foreplay that doesn't seem to work, and have aftercare. I feel like being accepted not having to perform/pretend would have to be better for her. I know that she has persisted for my sake and cannot imagine what it is like.

OP posts:
Roselily123 · 23/11/2025 11:58

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 23/11/2025 11:50

We don't know whether it hurts her physically, maybe not, but there is evidence that it is unpleasant for her mentally and perhaps also emotionally: otherwise she'd be more keen. From what OP has said, it seems she consents without enthusiasm, which suggests that her consent comes at a personal cost.

She may just find it boring and would rather be knitting

GarlicHound · 23/11/2025 12:12

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 23/11/2025 11:50

We don't know whether it hurts her physically, maybe not, but there is evidence that it is unpleasant for her mentally and perhaps also emotionally: otherwise she'd be more keen. From what OP has said, it seems she consents without enthusiasm, which suggests that her consent comes at a personal cost.

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does not feel much during sex. Not just not orgasm, but like the sensation is rubbing your elbow.

favourable or indifferent

If we have sex too often I get the feeling she's really not into it and it's a chore.

Getting engaged and special occasions are where she has most wanted it.

She doesn't really kiss or cuddle much afterwards. But we talk deeply.

Take away pleasure and you are left with closeness and emotional connection.

I disagree that this is evidence it's unpleasant for her - more like uninteresting! A PP echoed the 'rubbing your elbow' thing. I'm imagining a partner whose biggest excitement was rubbing my elbow. I'd let him rub my elbow, sure, but I wouldn't be begging him for an elbow rub! Supposing he feels all relaxed and smooshy after a good elbow rub, I'd enjoy the connection, the feeling that my elbow had given him such pleasure. I'd be happy for an elbow session once or twice a week maybe, but doing it all the time would make me feel weird.

Doesn't mean I feel coerced into letting him have his way with my elbow.

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 23/11/2025 13:45

GarlicHound · 23/11/2025 12:12

Quotes:

does not feel much during sex. Not just not orgasm, but like the sensation is rubbing your elbow.

favourable or indifferent

If we have sex too often I get the feeling she's really not into it and it's a chore.

Getting engaged and special occasions are where she has most wanted it.

She doesn't really kiss or cuddle much afterwards. But we talk deeply.

Take away pleasure and you are left with closeness and emotional connection.

I disagree that this is evidence it's unpleasant for her - more like uninteresting! A PP echoed the 'rubbing your elbow' thing. I'm imagining a partner whose biggest excitement was rubbing my elbow. I'd let him rub my elbow, sure, but I wouldn't be begging him for an elbow rub! Supposing he feels all relaxed and smooshy after a good elbow rub, I'd enjoy the connection, the feeling that my elbow had given him such pleasure. I'd be happy for an elbow session once or twice a week maybe, but doing it all the time would make me feel weird.

Doesn't mean I feel coerced into letting him have his way with my elbow.

The PP who made the comment about "rubbing your arm" also said, "It doesn’t feel good at all for me and never has"

That's hardly an endorsement for unwanted consensual sex.

Unwanted consensual sex - or duty sex - is common in sexual relationships, with women being subjected to it more than men. It's increasingly being realised that it has significant negative psychological outcomes:

"Many women—without a history of sexual trauma—find themselves in situations where they agree to sex out of a sense of obligation or to preserve relationship harmony. These women often don’t see their behavior as harmful at first. They might feel that they’re fulfilling a partner’s needs or keeping the peace. But, over time, the emotional and physical consequences of this pattern can be profound.
The research revealed that women experiencing duty sex—a term used to describe sexual activity undertaken out of obligation rather than desire—often begin to feel the following:

  • A significant drop in libido
  • Physical discomfort or shutdown
  • Emotional detachment from their partner
  • A sense of being used, even in loving relationships
The Long-Term Emotional Consequences It’s essential to note that many women involved in the study did not initially identify their experience as harmful. In fact, the majority of women engaged in this pattern for years before the emotional toll became undeniable. However, as time went on, they began to notice subtle but powerful emotional and physical shifts. Women described a gradual erosion of sexual desire, with some even reporting that they felt “repulsed” by sex after prolonged patterns of acquiescence. The emotional outcome was similarly distressing. Over time, many women began to feel a deep sense of resentment, which made the act of intimacy feel more like a transactional exchange than a loving, connected experience. ... The research found that women in long-term relationships who engage in unwanted sex often experience:
  • Feelings of resentment and guilt
  • Increased irritability and emotional distress
  • A growing emotional detachment from their partner
  • Reduced sexual desire, even leading to a complete shutdown of arousal or interest in sex
As one participant expressed: “It feels easier to cope with to just have sex and know that I will have a day or a few days of peace where I don't have to worry about his advances.” Over time, these unresolved emotional experiences lead to greater difficulty in maintaining intimacy, both physically and emotionally. The study found that, as sexual resentment built, women became more likely to feel disconnected from their partners, unable to see intimacy as a mutually enriching experience. Instead, it felt like an obligation. Unrecognized Coercion: A Key Factor A key finding of the study was that many women did not recognize emotional coercion in their relationships. The subtle but pervasive pressure to consent to sex—even when they didn’t want to—was often described as “pouty,” “sad,” or emotionally manipulative rather than physically coercive. These women did not recognize the emotional and verbal manipulation as coercion. Over time, this unrecognized coercion exacerbated feelings of guilt, shame, and frustration. Beyond Consent: The Need for True Emotional Safety The study’s findings highlight a critical gap in how we understand consent. True consent is not just about the act of saying “yes.” It’s about feeling emotionally and physically safe enough to say “no.” Women must be able to express their boundaries without fear of judgment or relational consequences. True consent involves:
  • The freedom to say “no” without fear of emotional repercussions"
https://www.voxmentalhealth.com/blogs/the-hidden-emotional-toll-of-duty-sex-in-long-term-relationships

OP, do you think your wife feels safe enough to be able to tell you that she doesn't want sex, and/or wants much less or no sex?

The Emotional Toll of Duty Sex | Couples & Individual Therapy Ontario | VOX Mental Health Barrie

Explore the hidden emotional impact of duty sex in long-term relationships. Learn about the psychological consequences of consent without desire and how true emotional safety and intimacy can reshape sexual health. Based on research by Cami Hurst, LAMF...

https://www.voxmentalhealth.com/blogs/the-hidden-emotional-toll-of-duty-sex-in-long-term-relationships

Roselily123 · 23/11/2025 15:14

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 23/11/2025 13:45

The PP who made the comment about "rubbing your arm" also said, "It doesn’t feel good at all for me and never has"

That's hardly an endorsement for unwanted consensual sex.

Unwanted consensual sex - or duty sex - is common in sexual relationships, with women being subjected to it more than men. It's increasingly being realised that it has significant negative psychological outcomes:

"Many women—without a history of sexual trauma—find themselves in situations where they agree to sex out of a sense of obligation or to preserve relationship harmony. These women often don’t see their behavior as harmful at first. They might feel that they’re fulfilling a partner’s needs or keeping the peace. But, over time, the emotional and physical consequences of this pattern can be profound.
The research revealed that women experiencing duty sex—a term used to describe sexual activity undertaken out of obligation rather than desire—often begin to feel the following:

  • A significant drop in libido
  • Physical discomfort or shutdown
  • Emotional detachment from their partner
  • A sense of being used, even in loving relationships
The Long-Term Emotional Consequences It’s essential to note that many women involved in the study did not initially identify their experience as harmful. In fact, the majority of women engaged in this pattern for years before the emotional toll became undeniable. However, as time went on, they began to notice subtle but powerful emotional and physical shifts. Women described a gradual erosion of sexual desire, with some even reporting that they felt “repulsed” by sex after prolonged patterns of acquiescence. The emotional outcome was similarly distressing. Over time, many women began to feel a deep sense of resentment, which made the act of intimacy feel more like a transactional exchange than a loving, connected experience. ... The research found that women in long-term relationships who engage in unwanted sex often experience:
  • Feelings of resentment and guilt
  • Increased irritability and emotional distress
  • A growing emotional detachment from their partner
  • Reduced sexual desire, even leading to a complete shutdown of arousal or interest in sex
As one participant expressed: “It feels easier to cope with to just have sex and know that I will have a day or a few days of peace where I don't have to worry about his advances.” Over time, these unresolved emotional experiences lead to greater difficulty in maintaining intimacy, both physically and emotionally. The study found that, as sexual resentment built, women became more likely to feel disconnected from their partners, unable to see intimacy as a mutually enriching experience. Instead, it felt like an obligation. Unrecognized Coercion: A Key Factor A key finding of the study was that many women did not recognize emotional coercion in their relationships. The subtle but pervasive pressure to consent to sex—even when they didn’t want to—was often described as “pouty,” “sad,” or emotionally manipulative rather than physically coercive. These women did not recognize the emotional and verbal manipulation as coercion. Over time, this unrecognized coercion exacerbated feelings of guilt, shame, and frustration. Beyond Consent: The Need for True Emotional Safety The study’s findings highlight a critical gap in how we understand consent. True consent is not just about the act of saying “yes.” It’s about feeling emotionally and physically safe enough to say “no.” Women must be able to express their boundaries without fear of judgment or relational consequences. True consent involves:
  • The freedom to say “no” without fear of emotional repercussions"
https://www.voxmentalhealth.com/blogs/the-hidden-emotional-toll-of-duty-sex-in-long-term-relationships

OP, do you think your wife feels safe enough to be able to tell you that she doesn't want sex, and/or wants much less or no sex?

Not sure I’m completely get what you’re saying….but wives don’t have pv sex to look after their husbands …

GarlicHound · 23/11/2025 15:21

Roselily123 · 23/11/2025 15:14

Not sure I’m completely get what you’re saying….but wives don’t have pv sex to look after their husbands …

Yeah, they do. Friendly term is maintenance sex.

I always found I got into it once I'd started! I know there are a lot of women who'd prefer infrequent sex - or none - but I've never got into any discussions about whether it's the men's techniques or just generally low libido. I do know they engaged in maintenance sex, though (that's usually how the information emerged). "Oh, I just let him get on with it".

ImthatBoleyngirl · 23/11/2025 15:37

I can orgasm using a vibrator but penetration does nothing for me. As PP says, it's like just rubbing my arm.

GarlicHound · 23/11/2025 16:45

ImthatBoleyngirl · 23/11/2025 15:37

I can orgasm using a vibrator but penetration does nothing for me. As PP says, it's like just rubbing my arm.

Haha, I'm the exact opposite! (Or was, before I gave it up.) Love penetration, though I prefer to think of it as envelopment. Vibrators a total waste of money. Has to be living flesh attached to a human.

GarlicHound · 23/11/2025 17:50

Sorry, just realised my last reply looks a bit like I was trying to start a raunchy conversation 😳 I missed out the main point, which was merely that it just shows how different we all are!

I'll get back in my box now ...

Whackamole11 · 24/11/2025 06:01

@VimesandhisCardboardBoots Thank you for sharing your experience

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Whackamole11 · 24/11/2025 06:02

GooseyGandalf · 23/11/2025 08:58

Do you talk much as a couple about other things? Open, honest communication is the lifeblood of relationships but it takes practice, it’s a skill to hone and starting with a difficult topic like sex isn’t going to lead to anything if you don’t already have a well established foundation of being able to talk about everything else.

Something that has added hugely to my marriage, is our habit of taking a walk together after dinner. It’s become our time to talk, and to listen to each other. Mostly we just share the humdrum minutiae of our day, sometimes we talk about world events and wider issues and very occasionally about harder things. We have a signal to let each other know when we need to talk something out without interruption.

It’s not an exercise in communication either. It’s just a walk. The point is really that it’s completely low pressure in every way.

It’s a different kind of intimacy, and obviously one that is completely unrelated to sex. But that’s the point. The more we trust each other with our ordinary vulnerabilities of a run in with the boss, a frustrating parent, an issue we wished we handled differently, the more natural it feels to be honest and vulnerable in the bedroom.

Yes we do, it's amazing.

OP posts:
user1492757084 · 24/11/2025 06:10

Keep with the long massage, definitely.
Could you do courses on massage together?
Maybe she prefers natural stimulation rather than toys.

Spend time in her company doing what brings joy. Concentrate not so much on sex but on loving sharing close contact and communication.
Swimming in remote beaches?
Water slides?
Skiing?
Reading same books, watching films, cooking, gardening?
Memories of those lovely hours together might enhance sexuality.

Perfect28 · 24/11/2025 06:51

Sorry op I appreciate you're trying to be honest etc but how can you get hard and penetrate someone who doesn't want it?

In our minds, consent is enthusiastic or it's not there.

MarvellousMonsters · 24/11/2025 06:56

GarlicHound · 23/11/2025 11:35

Except not, because there's no suggestion PIV hurts her or is uncomfortable.

Plenty of people (male and female) enjoy anal sex, so for them it isn’t hurting or uncomfortable, but for those who don’t enjoy anal sex, it’s as unwanted as PIV is for OPs wife. Something doesn’t have to be painful for you to not want to do it. This isn’t about pain, it’s about lack of desire.

I don't enjoy having my neck kissed, it’s not a pleasant experience for me, it doesn’t hurt, it’s not uncomfortable, it’s just tickly and can get overwhelming, so I don’t want people to do it to me. Should I let my partner kiss my neck because they like to do it, even though I don’t enjoy it?

BuckChuckets · 24/11/2025 07:23

Whackamole11 · 24/11/2025 06:02

Yes we do, it's amazing.

So why can't you talk about sex? I struggle to understand how a couple with seemingly great communication are in this position.

ChikinLikin · 25/11/2025 04:35

Maybe she can't have an honest conversation about sex because the truth 'I'd rather not do it at all" would be marriage ending.

Mygardenandme · 25/11/2025 07:51

Sounds like me. I physically like things to a point and then it just stops and I sort of feel numb or I get over sensitive. Sometimes that happens quite early, sometimes it takes longer.

I can only speak for me but I wonder if your wife feels like the below...

I know it comes from a good place but my husband is/was(?) like you and wants to change it but it makes me feel like I have to perform.

For me, having a "sexy massage" as opposed to a "relaxing, no expectations massage before sleep" would be massive. I do not like "being on a promise" or the build up to sex. It makes me almost anxious or under pressure. If you are going to do the massage, be clear that it's about the massage, not about having sex afterwards.

What I really hate, is the pressure to orgasm but unfirtunately it can feel like that is all that matters. Making that the end goal, will never make me orgasm.

I've kind of given up on ever having an orgasm and I'm mostly ok with.

I dont like feeling like its all about me.

I know it makes my husband feel like he has failed me somehow. I know he sees it as a problem and thinks I'm broken/have a problem/need to fix it. I know he doesnt enjoy sex as much because of it.

If it reassures you, I do enjoy the intimacy. I like the physical closeness and I like my partner enjoying it. I genuingely like focusing on him. An orgasm would (presumably!) be lovely but that isnt what sex is about for me.

Have an honest chat with your wife about whether having an orgasm is even the end goal for her and about whether she enjoys the toys or seduction. Follow her lead and listen.

Holdmeclosertinydancer2018 · 25/11/2025 20:47

In the kindest possible way, you speak as if your wife is malfunctioning and you are desperately trying to fix her. In her position I'd feel like a human guinea pig which would seriously put me off.

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