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Struggling to forgive MIL

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OctopusDiscoball · 20/10/2025 19:38

This might be a bit long but I don't want to drip feed, so please bear with me. I have reached a bit of an impasse with DH regarding his mum and I'm stuck on what we can do to get past it.

When we first met she was wonderful. However, once I got pregnant she started to become more domineering and gradually started chipping away at me and criticising me. DH would speak to her after each incident and she would agree not to do it again but then it felt like the behaviour would just show up in a new form and I never knew whether I'd get the nice version of her or the difficult one.

Generally speaking, there is a lot of drama. DH is expected to call her multiple times each day and if he doesn't call, she panics and cries because he might have been in an accident. He finds it difficult that she relies on him so much emotionally. There's also a complicated family dynamic where DH is the golden child and his brother is the black sheep. Ultimately DH feels very responsible for her and worries about her outbursts/reactions if he steps out of line. I feel she is manipulative but he thinks she doesn't realise what she's doing.

There have been a few times where she has blown up and lost her temper with DH, and called him awful names. Two years ago she did this in the run up to Christmas, and he asked me to see if I could calm her down. I calmly and patiently told her that it wasn't okay to speak to him like that and that she knew that the things she was saying weren't true. She accepted it at the time and apologised but ever since then her behaviour towards me has taken a turn for the worse, as if she resents me for standing up to her. Later that week she 'forgot' that she had other plans for that Christmas and refused to come to us as planned a few days later, which made DH really sad and really spoiled the day.

As the year went by her behaviour got worse and worse and it culminated last December in her calling me stupid (in her language, which she thought I wouldn't understand) and, later, physically pushing me, something she'd done previously. At the time she was staying over at our house and I asked DH to take her home and then explained to him what had happened. He (rightly) pointed out that I should have fetched him and explained what happened immediately but spoke to her about it. The result was a torrent of abuse on the phone to him and via WhatsApp to me. In the end I had to block her. She has never apologised (to me) for what she said and she denies that she ever pushed me or said anything horrible to me, although she has said that perhaps she did, but has forgotten.

I would have been happy at this point to go NC but I know how much DH was struggling with everything so we put some boundaries in place which were basically: no more sleepovers at our house; we would see her less often but when we did see her we would go out (rather than having her at our home, for example) and she would only get one last chance.

Since then, things have been mostly okay. There was some drama around her not being invited to celebrate my birthday with us (we didn't celebrate, I had flu) which we only found out about a month later when it was her birthday and she refused to see us, but told BIL the real reason why. But overall the plan of seeing her for quality time outside has worked well. However, recently DH is upset that she isn't able to come and stay for the weekend, for example, and upset that I can't forgive her. He basically wishes that everything could go back to how it was and feels like my attitude is cold and hard. She is in her late 70s and in excellent health but he is worried that she's going to die soon (something she often says) and that their final years of memories will be marred by all of this. However, I still feel so wary of her and every time we see her I'm on edge and anxious. For context, she lives 30 minutes away so not too far, but she would be insulted if we only invited her for e.g. lunch and not to sleep over.

I have suggested she comes and stays overnight for Christmas this year but apparently she has already told him she doesn't want to "cause trouble" by seeing us and so doesn't want to celebrate Christmas at all.

I just don't know what to do next. I feel like we've tried to find a balance that works but it's hard to find a solution that everyone is happy with. Obviously it's DH's house too and he should be able to invite her, but I'm struggling to get past what happened: the fact that she physically laid hands on me and the torrent of awful messages - I cannot imagine ever doing either of those things to someone. There are lots of other things but this is long enough already. FWIW I have suggested they spend regular time alone together in addition to the times we see her as a family but he isn't keen on that idea.

I'd really appreciate any suggestions or ideas of ways to find a compromise here and any other perspectives. AIBU to still say no sleepovers? Should I be able to put it all behind me now, especially given her age? My biggest concern is that I feel like I'm caught between two bad options: I either try to pretend everything is fine, and feel awful, or I hold the boundaries and DH is potentially going to end up resenting me in a few years. He is a great husband and dad and so important to me; I hate that this is coming between us. Thank you for reading if you've made it this far.

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Anditstartedagain · 20/10/2025 19:41

I wouldn’t have her in my house again. She is abusive. Your DH needs counselling.

kiwiane · 20/10/2025 19:44

If it helps you not to have her at your home then for goodness sake don’t back down now; she’s relatively young and you have years ahead of her awful behaviour. I wonder if your husband would consider therapy?

dundermiffling · 20/10/2025 19:45

Hold your boundaries. They are more than fair. Your husband needs to go to therapy really but if he’s like mine he never will. They are enmeshed and therefore fairly spineless and it makes them pretty crap husbands - if he’s like mine that is, if not I’m just projecting!

nothing will ever be enough. What she is doing sounds manipulative, she is using fear, obligation and guilt to regain control and triangulating you as the ‘problem/ villain’. Husband wants an easy life and to slip back into appeasing the woman who was supposed to love him unconditionally but instead made him inappropriately responsible for her feelings.

sympathy to you, I’m over 12 years in and finally had enough but my husband is still inclined to try and pretend nothing has ever happened/ nothing was that bad and encourage me to ‘move on’ (translation: revert to appeasing her so he has an easier life).

I wish wish wish I’d been firmer far far earlier. As I say, nothing is ever enough anyway, and I have so much resentment for what I put up with and how much their dynamic ruined precious things for me like newborn days and made vulnerable times even harder like my child having cancer and her complaining she felt left out. Sorry. Rant over!!

Safxxx · 20/10/2025 19:48

Maybe your husband can go once a fortnight and have a sleepover at hers...You are right in setting boundaries but unfortunately it can be difficult...I feel for you as I can fully understand your situation...my in-laws always test my patience...🙄

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/10/2025 19:51

He isn’t keen on seeing her alone

that puts horrible unfair pressure on you. He should be able to see her alone if she’s safe enough person to have in your home. You need to point that out to him. Also, I would never have a guest that had assaulted me or my partner in our home.

I think she maybe narcissistic, those parents often have one golden child and one scapegoat

Purplecatshopaholic · 20/10/2025 19:52

Ugh. I wouldn’t be speaking to the old bat or seeing her again. Too much drama and toxicity. Your DH can see her if he wants but he needs to grow a pair and stand up for himself and you when necessary. You could have years more of this shit if you let things slide.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/10/2025 19:53

Also things will have only got calmer DUE to your boundaries. This doesn’t imply that she’s changed. It implies these boundaries are needed

SunshineAndFizz · 20/10/2025 19:55

Your husband needs counselling. His relationship with his mum isn’t healthy. And he shouldn’t be insisting you compromise to allow her to behave badly.

She sounds horrible and I wouldn’t accommodate her anymore. Interesting he doesn’t want to see her alone either.

PullTheBricksDown · 20/10/2025 19:55

Surely your boundaries can be understood by him as being to protect your children as well as you? He might be rationalising it as that you're an adult like him so can 'cope' - not that you should have to! - but what about his kids? Does he think they should have to put up with this too?

Princesspollyyy · 20/10/2025 19:56

Sorry, I couldn’t read the whole post as it’s just far too long, but I agree with other replies and think you should not have her in your house again.

Zempy · 20/10/2025 19:57

I can’t believe you invited her for Christmas?! What were you thinking?

I would be completely NC with her. If DH wants to continue being abused by her, that’s down to him. I agree with PP that he would benefit from therapy.

Stay away from her. Keep yourself and your DC safe.

Orders76 · 20/10/2025 19:57

I empathise and also have someone trying to move what I feel are reasonable boundaries. Unfortunately, no matter how much time passes those are the boundaries and a big help in my case in DH understanding that this is the level I am comfortable at, this is how it stays.

Some people will never be happy and constantly try to move things backwards to suit themselves, but unless you're happy with that you both have to hold the line. We also have no stays and neutral ground for meets, so no that's not unreasonable.

Tiswa · 20/10/2025 19:58

I agree with a PP your husband needs some counselling due to enmeshment

JadziaD · 20/10/2025 20:13

I sympathise massively with where you are at. I would be inclined to say that you tell your DH that she can come, but that you are putting firm boundaries in place. Then remember what boundaries ar e- you can't control what she says or does, but you can completely control your reactions and what you consider acceptable.

Your DH needs to be present, 100% of the time. You will not be with her alone. If he leaves the room or want sto go out, you will be in the bedroom/out/at a friend's house. If she says or does anything that is rude and manipulative, you will leave the room. Every single time.

fireandlightening · 20/10/2025 22:35

Your husband's relationship with his mother is deeply dysfunctional and co-dependent. He obviously craves her validation and approval, however irrational and badly behaved she is, and she is that. She is manipulating him and the situation. You need not to give an inch. Boundaries with her but also with him. He needs to respect you enough to not foist his dysfunctional relationship with his mother on you.

Vaxtable · 20/10/2025 23:51

As an ‘outsider’ you can see that the relationship between DH and his mum is too close, and that she has some form of control over him, he won’t see that though as it’s been like that probably all his life.

As others have said he needs counselling to see what shes really like and what she is doing.

I would not be having anything to do with her if your dh wants her to come and stay for the weekend I would be going to stay with family or friends. He can do everything for her

Ellie56 · 21/10/2025 00:00

Quite frankly I wouldn't want to see the ghastly old bat again and your DH needs to respect your feelings on this.

He can go and see her if he wants to but I wouldn't be going with him and she wouldn't be coming into my house while I was there either.

I agree with PP that your DH would benefit from therapy.

Fourfurrymonsters · 21/10/2025 00:07

Your DH’s relationship with his mother is toxic and unhealthy.
And I’m wondering why on god’s green Earth someone who lives only 30 mins away needs a “sleepover”. She’s not 5 🤦‍♀️
Hold your ground OP.

OctopusDiscoball · 21/10/2025 09:43

Thanks so much to everyone who took the time to reply, I really appreciate it. I thought the responses would have been more mixed so in a way it's reassuring to know that I'm not being unreasonable and that her behaviour is actually abusive, which is how I feel too.

I am going to speak to DH about it again later and reinforce the boundaries. I wonder whether she is pushing him to spend more time here/change the rules and that's why it's coming up now after it has been working well. I need him to stop putting me in the position of the villain here and to support the boundaries we agreed together. And thank you so much @Unexpectedlysinglemum, you have hit the nail on the head - it has been better because of the boundaries. I hadn't thought about it like that. I also suspect she is a covert narcissist but I haven't mentioned that to DH as I think it will only inflame things. Instead I just focus on her actual behaviour.

To those PPs who suggested counselling - I previously suggested counselling for both of us but he was horrified at the idea and just shut down when I mentioned it. I will keep trying, but if he isn't ready to face up to it then I can't force him.

@dundermiffling I am so sorry that you've had to deal with this too. The behaviour with your DC having cancer is appalling - I hope your DC is healthy and happy now. I also struggled in the newborn days because she insisted on spending whole days at the hospital and wouldn't give us any space, it was awful!

If anyone has advice or experience of how to get through to someone on this type of subject I'd love to hear it. To him, her behaviour is normal. I think he is so used to her behaving badly he doesn't realise it's not healthy. There have even been times where she's been truly nasty to him and he has totally forgotten about it (or, maybe more likely, blocked it out) until I've mentioned it. Thanks also to the PPs who pointed out about him not wanting to spend time with her alone - I hadn't thought about it as being anything other than a general preference to do things together but it makes sense that it would be related to her behaviour, even if he doesn't realise that.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 21/10/2025 10:32

OP

The red flags were always present re his mother and their behaviour often worsens when such types become grandparents. She was not a good parent to her kids when they were growing up (the effects of her so called nurturing on him are all too apparent because he is mired in fear, obligation and guilt; three buttons she installed in him). Your H's own inertia when it comes to his mother hurts him as much as you. He like his brother, have received the Special Training so commonly seen in adult children of narcissists to put her first with their own needs and wants dead last. Your H as well seeks her approval although he does not need it and she will never give this and is so very afraid of her even now. He really does think the sky will fall in on him if he "upsets" her but he is aware enough that he does not want to spend time with her on his own.

You do not mention his father in all this; is he still around?. Women like his mother cannot do relationships at all so the men in their lives are often discarded.

The golden child and scapegoat roles are interchangeable and your DH and his brother have likely been both to his mother over the years.

I would concur with the other respondents who state he needs therapy.

I'd be handing your DH a copy of "Toxic Parents" by Susan Forward as a starting point. He could also look at Dr Ramani's You tube channel re narcissists. You could read Toxic Inlaws by Susan Forward.

As for yourself you can impose boundaries but as you have seen these get ignored or otherwise trampled over. She does not like boundaries and will never accept any boundary you care to set her. And please never invite her over to your home ever again; you probably only did that because you are a heart a nice and kind person. Narcissists are not kind and or nice and see such as weakness. They have no empathy whatsoever and have also made the terrible choice not to love.

I would keep her well away from all of you going forward. It is NOT possible to have a relationship with someone this disordered of thinking. I was not at all surprised to see that she has never apologised nor has accepted any responsibility for her actions; they really never do. You are all bit part players with she being at the centre of her universe. If your DH wants to see her that is up to him but you do not go and see her. You can and should protect your own self her as well as your children. Honestly women like this are really not worth bothering about.

SquishyGloopyBum · 21/10/2025 11:37

Hold your boundaries op. Your DH is trying to take the path of least resistance for him. It’s not of course because it will take you down with him but he’s had conditioning all his life.

he does need therapy.

The staying over thing is bonkers if she’s only 30mins away. It says a lot.

Helpwithdivorce · 21/10/2025 11:50

I would never see her again and she would never set foot in my home again.
DH could see her at her own home if he wanted. I would keep reaffirming that her behaviour is not normal and is completely unacceptable until it sunk in

OctopusDiscoball · 21/10/2025 11:51

Thanks @AttilaTheMeerkat, that is good advice. I've read the Susan Forward book and it was helpful but I haven't broached him reading anything yet. His father died before we met and I'm not sure what the dynamic was like when he was alive, although I know he left her at least once. It's interesting what you say about the golden child and scapegoat roles being interchangeable, I wasn't aware of this. I wonder if he has been in the opposite position and that feels even scarier to him but I don't know. And you're right, I have to protect myself and DS. She is obsessed with DS (unhealthily, IMO) and I don't want her seeing him without me there. DH will stand up to her if she is smothering/suffocating DS with 'affection' but sometimes I don't think he notices how bad she can be - DS is 3, and for example, if he doesn't want to give a hug or a kiss she will pretend to cry and tell him that he has hurt her feelings/made her sad. We nip it in the bud every time and it's better than it used to be but it's definitely a theme (and of course I get painted by her as being overbearing for wanting her to not emotionally blackmail a preschooler).

All in all I am less worried about MIL per se - because the boundaries we've established have mostly worked well - but concerned about how it's impacting my relationship with DH and how to try and protect that bond when she is trying to chip away at it.

@SquishyGloopyBum yes I think so too. My own family aren't perfect by any means but there's nothing like this to deal with there. My mum lives 30 mins away from my siblings and is happy to pop over for a coffee - not only do they not do overnights, but it would feel weird if they did. I think a big part of it is that she wants to tell people that we love her/need her so much that she has to spend a lot of time with us - almost like a badge of honour. I can see that deep down she is deeply insecure and desperate to feel loved but her behaviour is just so awful, there's really no excuse for it.

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dundermiffling · 21/10/2025 11:54

I cannot tell you how eerily similar that sounds to my MIL and she has only gotten worse and worse as time has passed.

Hoppinggreen · 21/10/2025 12:01

Bollocks to that, he is using you as a Human Shield.

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