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Would you stay or leave if you were in my situation?

57 replies

prettytoxic · 05/09/2025 22:12

I’ve been with my partner for over a decade, and we have a young child together. From the outside, our life looks fairly stable but there have been incidents with my partner over the years that I’ve tried to rationalise or minimise, including:

Lack of care/empathy towards me.
For example, he refused to drive me to A&E or accompany me there during a cardiac scare last year, despite being able to do so (it was a Sunday and we were both relaxing at home with our child). I ended up driving myself there alone feeling quite unloved. For context I am not someone who seeks unnecessary medical care.

His lack of empathy/dismissiveness is evident in more subtle day to day actions too although I always chalked it up to him being more avoidant in his attachment style. E.g, even when we were first dating he'd always walk on ahead of me when we were in public, dismissed my feelings at times, and has ignored me for hours when we were out with friends etc.

Potential verbal/emotional abuse:
During a recent conversation where I had expressed that I was unhappy in our relationship and that I was considering separation, he called me a "terrible mother," and said I have "no personality,". He’s previously criticised my personality and appearance/choice of clothes. He’s said I’m "not normal" due to mental health struggles. and claimed therapy is useless for me as I will “never change”. He has not sought therapy himself.

Controlling/intimidating behaviour:
Incidents include physically intimidating behaviour on an isolated occasion while I was heavily pregnant, driving aggressively/too fast when annoyed with me and more recently slamming my laptop shut aggressively while I was using it (I think he felt he was losing control as I had talked about separation earlier that day and he knows I need my laptop for work).

Dismissal/denial:
He frequently denies or dismisses events I recall, then quickly wants to move on, accusing me of misunderstanding or not forgiving him/moving on fast enough

Financial control:
At points he has restricted my access to joint savings while I was left with most daily and childcare costs, leading to me having debts I cannot currently repay (although looking back I should have stood up for myself and not gone into debt trying to manage). He’s been very critical of me about this and told me I ‘deserve to pay’ for this although he later denied ever saying that.

He has also at times claimed that our jointly-owned house is “his” and claims to have "bought" items for me when actually the money was from joint funds. I think he sees the money in our savings as his, as a significant amount was gifted to us by relatives on his side of the family (who explicitly said the money was for us both, not just him).

He doesn’t identify any of his behaviour as abusive or controlling, and even seems genuinely confused by my feelings when I’ve tried to share my perspective. He is currently trying to show me that we can make our relationship work and overall he has been much more thoughtful and considerate recently. But his unpredictable nature concerns me…will this change last? He can also be helpful and caring and is generally a good Dad and reliable day to day.

I don’t want to break up our family as we have a young child but I don’t see how I will ever truly trust him again on an emotional level. Even if he has truly changed. Sometimes
I feel like I don’t truly know him which is strange after being together so long.

I’m really sad that he’s acted in these hurtful ways as if the safety and respect were there I think we could have worked through any relationship challenges we have.

I am at a crossroads and feeling like I’ve messed up my life. I have zero money and few friends right now (none nearby). I cannot turn to my own family for help for complex and multiple reasons. I’m also dealing with some health issues that makes finding consistent income challenging and our child is quite high needs and requires a lot of attention and care although she is in school now.

I feel so confused as sometimes he seems kind and reasonable and like a good person. I start to wonder if I’m misinterpreting his actions and behaviour and believing he’s being cruel or cold when he isn’t.

Is it possible to have a healthy relationship after relationship issues like these? I’d welcome your honest opinions and advice on my situation.

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WhereBoomBandsarePlaying · 05/09/2025 22:20

Leave, he sounds horrible in lots of different ways. Your relationship will never improve and you will just waste time and mental energy trying to fix something which is not fixable.
The sooner you leave the sooner you can build a new life for yourself and your child.

Burntt · 05/09/2025 22:26

I didn’t even read it all. Yes you should leave

Hummingbirdtree · 05/09/2025 22:28

How can you even ask? He sounds abhorrent.

Rightandwrong · 05/09/2025 22:36

Your first example where he refused to drive you to A and E truly shocked me OP. But then every following example of his behaviour towards you was almost equally as horrible.
Please don't stay with this man.
You say you own the house jointly and have joint savings. Perhaps you could get legal advice about what you are entitled to.

Indicateyourintentions · 05/09/2025 22:38

The fact that he shows you he can be a kind and considerate husband also shows you you that he chooses to not be kind and considerate. I would not want to go forward with that kind of manipulative, lying, stingy person.
What I would do is quietly find out what kind of benefits I would be entitled to, save every penny I old squirrel away, and also I would save up for some counselling to teach you how to separate and co-parent as well as is possible.
You need strong firm boundaries and to be very clear what they are, because he is hell bent on jumping all over them. There are various tools that other younger posters can sign post you to that will give some space to communicate what you need without him shouting you down all the time.

prettytoxic · 05/09/2025 23:13

Reading it back it does sound bad. He also shoved/pushed me during an argument once a few years ago now. I wasn’t physically injured, just shocked.

I can’t believe I’ve ended up here. I feel foolish for letting myself get to such a weak and disempowered place and not even having a FU fund.

Obviously I’ve listed his worst qualities and none of mine, I know there are things I need to work on too (I need to communicate better and improve my organisation and money management skills due to adhd) but I’ve never been cruel to him or betrayed his trust like I feel he has mine.

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prettytoxic · 05/09/2025 23:19

Thank you to everyone who has replied, it helps to consider things from a more objective perspective.

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WilfredsPies · 05/09/2025 23:51

I think you need to stop pretending he’s a good dad. Good dads want their daughter’s mother to be in the best possible state to care for them. They want their daughter to have a male role model so they see what a husband is supposed to look like. Would you want your daughter choosing to marry a man like him because that’s what they think is normal? He’s her model of what a good husband looks like.

You wouldn’t be breaking up a perfectly happy and healthy family unit. You’d be removing yourself and your child from an abusive marriage.

MeTooOverHere · 05/09/2025 23:53

prettytoxic · 05/09/2025 23:13

Reading it back it does sound bad. He also shoved/pushed me during an argument once a few years ago now. I wasn’t physically injured, just shocked.

I can’t believe I’ve ended up here. I feel foolish for letting myself get to such a weak and disempowered place and not even having a FU fund.

Obviously I’ve listed his worst qualities and none of mine, I know there are things I need to work on too (I need to communicate better and improve my organisation and money management skills due to adhd) but I’ve never been cruel to him or betrayed his trust like I feel he has mine.

Yes I would leave if I were in your situation. I agree with PP who said get legal advice. Find out what the divorce and property settlement laws are in your country, and find out what you might be entitled to under those rules.

Then start making plans to leave him.

Chameleonagain · 06/09/2025 00:04

Leave. If he won't be there for you when you need an ambulance then he won't be there for your dc. Mine went to work whilst I was waiting for an ambulance for one of our dcs. I've never forgotten it. It didn't get any better. I could hardly bare to type that. Please don't stay. Wish I'd left sooner. I didn't need to read further I knew which direction your post was going in. Just leave. Please.

outerspacepotato · 06/09/2025 00:12

I'd be gone.

I only had to read the first one. Possible cardiac event and he made you drive yourself despite the risk to you and others on the road when you should have been driven. That's cruel and unforgiveable. I knew someone who had an MI while driving and he hit a telephone pole and died.

He doesn't care about you or anyone else. Not really. Your home is already broken because he's abusive physically and financially and controlling. He sounds like he's possibly got a personality disorder.

prettytoxic · 06/09/2025 05:19

Thank you for the sobering replies.

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JustReal · 06/09/2025 05:26

I'm sorry you're going through all of this.

He sounds horrible and, if you can, I would recommend you leave.

Some verbal things can be excused, sometimes, just because things are said by both parties during the heat of an argument. It doesn't make it right, means communication needs worked on but I don't view it as a deal breaker.

But, there is no excusable reason for him to refuse to take you to the A&E or any of the other things you have mentioned e.g. financial control or laying his hands on you.

If he refuses to take accountability or to work with you on these issues, what is the incentive to stay? He is asking permission for you to accept the behaviour and it is not acceptable.

prettytoxic · 06/09/2025 05:41

There is no real positive incentive to stay, I’m emotionally and physically exhausted and my self-esteem is at rock bottom. I worry about seeing my child less or how awful he’ll be to divorce. I also think I’m in a state of learned helplessness, which is very unusual for me as I’ve always been high achieving and high energy.

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Leteveryoneseeit · 06/09/2025 05:56

This is like reading domestic abuse BINGO.

He is gaslighting you with the twisting and turning of words and events to invalidate your experience and feelings. He then uses DARVO (deny, attack, reverse victim and offender) to blame, shame, confuse and silence you when you want to bring up issues to resolve.

There is no kindness or respect here. He doesn’t care for you - beneath he is simmering with contempt. He doesn’t meet your needs and you are not compatible if you need softer words. It’s painful and unsustainable to live such a bleak emotional life.

Everyone deserves to be cherished and lifted up - not neglected and subjugated.

I’ve had the aggressive driving when pregnant. My son is now 27 and I have never forgotten it.

He is financially abusing you. There is coercive control in action and this is now a crime.

All of his actions are compounding and increasingly weighing on you. You are probably a shadow of your former self.

I suspect your MH issues would disappear if you stepped out of this bleak emotional relationship.

I also suspect your DDs high needs would automatically lessen if she had a mother who was not preoccupied with confusion, on the back foot about what will happen next, exhausted by the undermining and lying, You have no agency in your own life due to the burden of abuse and neglect you are carrying. It will never resolve only get worse. You likely feel hopeless and helpless - that’s where he wants you.

Get informed on DA, dysfunctional relationships, your financial and legal options. Do all of this by stealth. Seek professional emotional support at the same time - and one day you will be emotionally and physically ready to step into a wonderful new life for you and your daughter.

Do the Freedom Programme, access Women’s Aid, read ‘Why does he do that’ - keep posting here.

prettytoxic · 06/09/2025 06:07

Leteveryoneseeit · 06/09/2025 05:56

This is like reading domestic abuse BINGO.

He is gaslighting you with the twisting and turning of words and events to invalidate your experience and feelings. He then uses DARVO (deny, attack, reverse victim and offender) to blame, shame, confuse and silence you when you want to bring up issues to resolve.

There is no kindness or respect here. He doesn’t care for you - beneath he is simmering with contempt. He doesn’t meet your needs and you are not compatible if you need softer words. It’s painful and unsustainable to live such a bleak emotional life.

Everyone deserves to be cherished and lifted up - not neglected and subjugated.

I’ve had the aggressive driving when pregnant. My son is now 27 and I have never forgotten it.

He is financially abusing you. There is coercive control in action and this is now a crime.

All of his actions are compounding and increasingly weighing on you. You are probably a shadow of your former self.

I suspect your MH issues would disappear if you stepped out of this bleak emotional relationship.

I also suspect your DDs high needs would automatically lessen if she had a mother who was not preoccupied with confusion, on the back foot about what will happen next, exhausted by the undermining and lying, You have no agency in your own life due to the burden of abuse and neglect you are carrying. It will never resolve only get worse. You likely feel hopeless and helpless - that’s where he wants you.

Get informed on DA, dysfunctional relationships, your financial and legal options. Do all of this by stealth. Seek professional emotional support at the same time - and one day you will be emotionally and physically ready to step into a wonderful new life for you and your daughter.

Do the Freedom Programme, access Women’s Aid, read ‘Why does he do that’ - keep posting here.

Thank you, this response made me emotional (in a good way) as it’s exactly my experience, especially what you say about my child’s high needs potentially being linked to the situation and me feeling like a shadow of my former self. Other people have noticed the change in me but I doubt they have a clue as my partner seems like such a “good guy” on the surface. When I think about it it’s interesting that he seems to be thriving and totally unconcerned as my vitality drains away.

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Holliegee · 06/09/2025 06:11

I speak from experience.
leave.

prettytoxic · 06/09/2025 06:16

Chameleonagain · 06/09/2025 00:04

Leave. If he won't be there for you when you need an ambulance then he won't be there for your dc. Mine went to work whilst I was waiting for an ambulance for one of our dcs. I've never forgotten it. It didn't get any better. I could hardly bare to type that. Please don't stay. Wish I'd left sooner. I didn't need to read further I knew which direction your post was going in. Just leave. Please.

Thank you for sharing your experience, I’m so sorry you went through this and that it still impacts you now to remember it. I hope you’ve found some happiness now you’re no longer with him.

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newyearsresolurion · 06/09/2025 06:25

I agree that your mental health issues will be resolved once you've left. You're stuck in a toxic marriage. It's like a prison believe me I have been there. Leave. Good dads don't abuse the mother of their child. And next time you have chest pain call an ambulance

prettytoxic · 06/09/2025 06:30

outerspacepotato · 06/09/2025 00:12

I'd be gone.

I only had to read the first one. Possible cardiac event and he made you drive yourself despite the risk to you and others on the road when you should have been driven. That's cruel and unforgiveable. I knew someone who had an MI while driving and he hit a telephone pole and died.

He doesn't care about you or anyone else. Not really. Your home is already broken because he's abusive physically and financially and controlling. He sounds like he's possibly got a personality disorder.

Thank you for saying this, it was validating.

That’s awful about the person you knew dying that way. I was thinking at the time, what if my daughter never sees me again? How would he explain his choice not to help me? I’m sure he’d have an excuse. He says he knew I’d be fine… I don’t really get how he’d know that when the only information we had was me having palpitations and a notification of atrial fibrillation on a health monitoring device. NHS 111 told me to go straight to A&E. My dad died of heart failure at a young age unexpectedly a few years ago too, so I know how someone can seem okay one day and gone the next.

I have wondered if he has some narcissistic traits. I don’t think full blown as I think he has some empathy for others, just not me!! Although I can’t say I’ve ever witnessed him do anything kind that doesn’t serve him, sadly.

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Ooodelally · 06/09/2025 06:37

I am very sorry you are having to deal with this. He sounds a horribly abusive man and the best thing you can do for yourself and your daughter would be to leave. I wish you the strength to make a clean break. X

prettytoxic · 06/09/2025 06:39

newyearsresolurion · 06/09/2025 06:25

I agree that your mental health issues will be resolved once you've left. You're stuck in a toxic marriage. It's like a prison believe me I have been there. Leave. Good dads don't abuse the mother of their child. And next time you have chest pain call an ambulance

Looking back I should have called another family member and asked them to drive me, I don’t think I was thinking clearly and to be honest quite ashamed that my own husband wasn’t willing to take me. At the time it felt like it meant something awful about me. Hard to explain looking back but I wouldn’t put myself or others at risk if I had a scare like that again.

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Rainbowqueeen · 06/09/2025 06:42

Yes I would leave. But first, knowledge is power. Start by investigating what you are entitled to and coming up with a plan.

When I read about the hospital trip my first thought was that if you develop cancer or other serious illness he will leave you then. You’re better off leaving now to give yourself the chance to build a supportive tribe.

I agree with all the comments about how your MH will improve when you leave. Womens aid would be a good place to start. Wishing you all the best

thepariscrimefiles · 06/09/2025 07:01

Hi OP, you say that you don't want to break up the family, but your family is already broken due to your husband's abusve behabviour. You would be leaving to find a place of safety for you and your child because you are not safe living with him. He is abusive in every way, physically, financially and emotionally.

People who live in a constant state of fear can't function properly. It will affect every aspect of your life. You need to leave for the sake of yourself and your child.

Gordon1958 · 06/09/2025 07:09

Talk to Citizens Advice who can advise on benefits if you feel you have to walk out. Speak to a Solicitor as you are a joint owner and have property rights and you have the right to peaceful occupancy without hassle from your husband. The Solicitor can advise you in getting an injunction against your husband to stop being nasty to you.