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Relationship falling apart

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thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 10:22

I’ll try to keep this short (ish!) so may leave some stuff out but only to keep it readable.

DH and I were both married before. DH has 2 children who are adults now and I have 3 who are teens now. When we got together DH was pretty open about the 5 yr affair he had during his first marriage but said it was during a period where she was having affairs too and their marriage had been over for a while. (Bit of a red flag I ignored).

Our relationship is almost like in 2 parts. First 5 years we didn’t live together but saw each other an increasing amount of time - to the point that he would spend half the week with me and half in his house. During this period DH totally love bombed me with the most amazing thoughtful gifts / trips. My children liked him and our blended family was brilliant - holidays together and we had a lot of fun. He was supportive when my parents died with 12 months of each other. We married during this 5yr phase.

2020 came along and DH moved in with me permanently, quit his job and started his own business. It was Covid and I am working full time as well as trying to homeschool kids (2 of whom are neuro diverse), I was still grieving my parents death and had some other problems with my ex husband. DH and i had also made a financial investment largely with my inheritance and it was not going well. Added to this I realised how lazy DH is in the house - I do everything. Essentially the effort he put in when he was just visiting my house disappeared. His children also stopped speaking to me and to this day I don’t know why. I have tried (and cried) asking him why but he either doesnt want to ask them - or he knows and won’t tell me. I’ve not seen them in about 3 years and I am no longer invited to events on that side. He has also been drinking heavily and tells me last minute that he is going away to either visit his kids or go on trips alone. He never tells me when he is coming back. I am just expected to accept his lack of planning and to be honest, I now have. I don’t really care when he goes away for work or for how long. I just rely on myself and focus on my children, work and house.

A few months ago he went away and left his iPad which was pinging. So I looked at it. He has started an emotional affair with someone he works with and they’ve met up a few times for dinner and to moan about their partners. He has tried to get her to meet him for a weekend (at his expense) and they are still planning to meet up. The worst part though is the way he has portrayed me. He has lied about so many things and essentially said I am a money grabbing, cold, heartless bitch who has ignored him for the last 5 years and has had an affair (I haven’t - it’s laughable to even think I would have the time or energy and besides that’s just not me). There are so many outright lies in there, it couldn’t even be that he just sees things differently.

I also read the last few messages with one of his children where it’s clear he has told them I am horrible to him and I have betrayed him in the past. There are also references to being ‘allowed’ to visit them. This is total bullshit as my only issue is that I ideally wanted to know what his plans were. Clearly he has been misleading people about me and now I think I can guess why my relationship with his kids broke down. All of this while he is trying to persuade me to get a new puppy and talks about the future.

Its made me look back and now I see things a little clearer. I’ve always had a bit of a doubt about his faithfulness but I put it down to maybe some jealousy on my part. I also now feel ashamed that I believed everything he said about his ex wife. He is lying about me now so perhaps the whole “she had affairs” was a load of rubbish. He has to be a good liar to have a 5 yr affair during his first marriage doesn’t he?

This is where I am now… I’ve not said anything and I am biding my time. My kids still like him and he works away for a month at a time so I don’t see him a lot. There is so much distance between us but we are pleasant to each other when he is home. I just feel stuck and not quite ready for the fallout of splitting up. I also want to wait and see if he genuinely does meet this other woman and I assume their emotional affair will develop at that point. But that’s just me doubting myself and worrying I will split us up based on just words. I know he will tell me he was lonely and never had any intention of doing anything. But it feels like I am just hurting myself even more.

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thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 20:23

Yeah you are right @GrumpyInsomniac- she is encouraging him with his stories or despair

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AnnaSunshine · 31/08/2025 20:33

thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 20:20

@AnnaSunshine- I know i am so pleased I had that iPad for as long as I did so I can look back and take screen shots. He has taken to back now

Have you got anyone to talk this through with aside from here?

If you haven’t yet, I would really encourage you to tell someone you trust.

thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 20:49

@OfficerChurlish- your shit sandwich analogy really made me smile. God that’s so right! A fine layer of crap is enough to put anyone off!! And you’re totally right. Even if I was those things - be honest say we are done. I’ve had to juts read back over the message again as I was worrying that I was being overly negative in my posts. Of course there have been and still are some good times. But I feel like a deflated balloon when I think of the way he has spoken about me. He told this other woman that he missed the dog more than me. I also noticed he has never mentioned the rescue dog we got 10 months ago to her. Perhaps that wouldn’t sit well alongside his narrative

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thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 20:55

@AnnaSunshine- I have no family but I have spoken to a small handful of close friends. Many of whom know him. I don’t want to impose on them too much by being too focused on this. But the more I think the more I see other things. When we first got together I was quite surprised he has no equity or savings at his age and he implied that his ex-wife had essentially hidden a huge amount of money from the sale of their house when they divorced. He said he felt too guilty about his affair to push her on it so £200k just ‘went somewhere’. Of course I felt bad for him but it still seemed a tiny bit odd…. Now it seems even more odd and probably totally untrue. This is probably why I posted here as all this stuff is whirling round my head with little outlet

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Thecatthatgotthesouredmilk · 31/08/2025 21:06

You call him DH, are you actually married? Could he have a claim on your property?

This man sounds like a psychopath and I don't use that term lightly. He has shown complete contempt for you. Very dangerous individual who you need to keep away from your children ASAP.

CountryTunes · 31/08/2025 21:08

Are you likely to lose your house, pension etc in the divorce as it seems you have more assets than him. Your husband is a liar, cheater and a selfish person.

thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 21:09

@Thecatthatgotthesouredmilk- yes we are married for 7 years now. No he can’t get a claim on my house as I owned it before marriage and it’s still in my sole name so not a marital asset. I got advice on that when we married. I think I need that refreshed though to see if still true. I feel so guilty typing all this - I have a feeling he somehow can read it but in reality how could he?

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thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 21:25

@CountryTunes- that’s been my fear… he is 7 yrs older than me but I have far greater financial stability. I worry I could lose a lot. That’s where I need legal help I think

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PolyCat · 31/08/2025 23:38

thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 21:25

@CountryTunes- that’s been my fear… he is 7 yrs older than me but I have far greater financial stability. I worry I could lose a lot. That’s where I need legal help I think

Yes stick to your plan to talk to a lawyer this week! Crossing my fingers for you, you’re able to keep majority of your wealth. Hopefully the evidence of him writing these horrible things about you could be used somehow..

LeftieRightsHoarder · 01/09/2025 03:55

OP, he’s a horrible manipulative liar who cheats on you and smears you to other people. His new girlfriend is as crooked as he is, advising him to hide his assets so he can swindle you. You owe him nothing and he makes your life a misery. Please find a good lawyer (maybe Mumsnetters can help with recommendations?) and get rid of him.

I just feel stuck and not quite ready for the fallout of splitting up. I also want to wait and see if he genuinely does meet this other woman and I assume their emotional affair will develop at that point.
Please don’t waste time with this! You don’t need evidence of his wrongdoing to divorce him.

jeaux90 · 01/09/2025 07:45

No harm going to see a solicitor. Even if you aren’t quite ready to pull the trigger it might help you knowing where you stand. Honestly though, it’s like you are waiting for him to do something worse….what he has done already is enough.

PussInBin20 · 01/09/2025 09:32

I bet he’s stashed some of that £200k for sure.

You can’t trust a word he says. I would be gone. And would probably have messaged the other woman on the texts putting her right and calling him out!

thekewgirl · 01/09/2025 11:36

@LeftieRightsHoarder- I’ve got a lawyer appointment planned in for tomorrow.

@jeaux90- that’s exactly it - I am waiting for worse as I seem to need it to be absolutely sure. I often second guess myself and need certainty when making big decisions. I just loop round thinking - is it as bad as I think? The messages with other woman are quite subtle in terms of an emotional affair. Examples are - references to supporting each other when each leaves their partners “in more ways than just dinner”. Then the invitation to come and spend the weekend? Also comments about their future and my DH saying “lovely to think what our future could look like”… so it’s quite subtle and not like sex chat… they are sharing very emotional details and very much opening up about past relationships and current one. Including the lies obviously about me which is the knife twist for me. Does this fit the category of an emotional affair? I certainly wouldn’t be doing anything like this with anyone

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thekewgirl · 01/09/2025 11:37

@PussInBin20- not sure he has that money, but def more to the story. Think he may have just been embarrassed he had nothing so took a ‘victim’ steer on it

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Omgblueskys · 01/09/2025 12:00

Op yes it is and more because he's paving the way to a new life, he's painting a picture where your the bad one op, so yes it's worst, much worse, and it's unforgivable op ,

This is your time to get ahead of him op and you need too,
Yes you can ask all the questions and he will talk the talk, you don't need the here all the crap, but you know that's enough op,
Get yourself organised op, and ready , please

GrumpyInsomniac · 01/09/2025 12:09

thekewgirl · 01/09/2025 11:36

@LeftieRightsHoarder- I’ve got a lawyer appointment planned in for tomorrow.

@jeaux90- that’s exactly it - I am waiting for worse as I seem to need it to be absolutely sure. I often second guess myself and need certainty when making big decisions. I just loop round thinking - is it as bad as I think? The messages with other woman are quite subtle in terms of an emotional affair. Examples are - references to supporting each other when each leaves their partners “in more ways than just dinner”. Then the invitation to come and spend the weekend? Also comments about their future and my DH saying “lovely to think what our future could look like”… so it’s quite subtle and not like sex chat… they are sharing very emotional details and very much opening up about past relationships and current one. Including the lies obviously about me which is the knife twist for me. Does this fit the category of an emotional affair? I certainly wouldn’t be doing anything like this with anyone

I think that they’re both very conscious of not leaving absolute digital proof of what is happening, and might even find part of the thrill is in not saying anything explicit so they can deprive you and her partner of absolute proof. It’s designed to make you both think it’s no more than an emotional affair, but it stinks to high heaven and I would be wondering whether things hadn’t already gone further.

It’s the subtlety that sounds off from your DH: he’s admitted to cheating on his previous spouse, and the chat makes it plain they’re planning a future together. It’s almost inconceivable that it hasn’t gone further than words on a screen at this point. This sounds a lot like covering their tracks, and I wonder whether there isn’t a separate app they’re using either to call each other or send more explicit messages than those you’ve found.

You know he’s a liar. You know he’s cheated in the past. He’s saying vile, disloyal, untrue things about you to her and to his kids. You cannot trust him. And you cannot trust that this is all there is as a result. This almost feels like this is what he’s left for you to find so you won’t dig deeper. Get digging, then get rid.

thekewgirl · 01/09/2025 19:35

Thanks @GrumpyInsomniacand @Omgblueskys

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OneOliveDuck · 01/09/2025 20:02

First sort out your investment. Go to a lawyer and get the right advice. You are worth more than this. There is no trying to fix this as he has gone too far to come back now. How horrible to live with a person that is being decent to your face and making you appear like an ogre behind your back. This must be heartrending as every time he opens his mouth you must think who the hell am I living with, what an actor. Get as much evidence as possible and once you have sorted out your investment, kick him hard to the kerb. My heart goes out to you. I can imagine that you must going through the turmoil of wondering if anything was real. It won't feel like it now but thank God you found out. Get rid of him and start rebuilding your life. It will get easier as you go.

thekewgirl · 01/09/2025 20:06

Thanks @OneOliveDuck- lawyer visit planned for tomorrow. Yes my head is looping round on other things that keep popping into my head. Times when I am now sure he has been messing with me / telling half truths

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Almostthere800 · 01/09/2025 21:35

thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 14:53

@tsmainsqueeze- I think he does care - I think he is just very selfish and self absorbed. He ran me a lovely bath the other night and lit all the candles in the bathroom. He is good with a grand gesture. Conversely though he didn’t even wish my son a happy birthday (big birthday) or buy him a small gift. I’ve given up on things being from ‘us’ since the fallout from his family aa I presume nothing he gives to them is from us. I think that’s why I struggle - I see these flashes of amazing caring person. If I hadn’t read the texts I would be blaming myself for not making enough effort or driving him away

This is what's known as intermittent abuse, or intermittent reinforcement. You focus on the good times or his good points, rather than the bad and it stops you from acting. The good acts are him masking. Look up traumatic cognitive dissonance. He sounds like a manipulative liar. You should divorce sooner rather than later so he doesn't have a claim on your house.

thekewgirl · 01/09/2025 21:48

@Almostthere800- I just looked that up and it’s very much how I feel but I struggle to connect him to being the cause as he can be very lovely to me (but then I know that’s that the article I read said!). However something has been wrong since the start of the year when I was experiencing dizziness. I had several prolonged bouts of it and went to the GP a couple of times but nothing seemed wrong. The discussion then moved to it being anxiety as I can feel my heart racing when I have these moments and perhaps a form of panic attack. I’ve never been an anxious person but I do have OCD so I am aware I am likely on edge a lot. But now I wonder if I’ve been sub consciously aware things aren’t right and it’s causing some physiological issues

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LupaMoonhowl · 01/09/2025 21:59

PolyCat · 31/08/2025 15:17

It’s okay to mourn the good times. All relationships have good times and part of moving on is accepting that good times happened and you will miss the person he was, but he is not the same anymore.

This
OP you sound so lovely.
Please do protect yourself and your lovely DC.
I am not a LTB, but on this case please do get the paperwork order and require him to leave your house.
Appalling that he has been so manipulative with his own children - you really do need to get him out.
Others on this thread are much wiser and more articulate than me, but everyone is on your side and rooting for you in this awful situation.

thekewgirl · 02/09/2025 18:38

@LupaMoonhowl- thanks! Really good visit to the lawyer today. My house isn’t a marital asset essentially and I may be able to push for a larger split of the asset I invested in. My pension increase since marriage will go in the pot but as will his business so I am ok with that.

i need to sit tight for a while longer but i am getting myself organised and in the right mindset. I think he has been looking at my emails as he asked a few times what I had planned today. I need a lawyer for another reason so it was explained away but he has been super lovely, charming and helpful.

Honestly I don’t know why some men so this stuff. Everything could have been lovely if he had just been open and honest and kind since we married. I have my faults like any other person but I am generally kind and generous and it could have been so good

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pikkumyy77 · 02/09/2025 19:58

Try to barricade and protect your emails and other private communications. Get a burner phone or a separate account for legal issues.

jeaux90 · 02/09/2025 20:25

Change your passwords etc seriously do not give him any kind of heads up.

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