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Relationship falling apart

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thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 10:22

I’ll try to keep this short (ish!) so may leave some stuff out but only to keep it readable.

DH and I were both married before. DH has 2 children who are adults now and I have 3 who are teens now. When we got together DH was pretty open about the 5 yr affair he had during his first marriage but said it was during a period where she was having affairs too and their marriage had been over for a while. (Bit of a red flag I ignored).

Our relationship is almost like in 2 parts. First 5 years we didn’t live together but saw each other an increasing amount of time - to the point that he would spend half the week with me and half in his house. During this period DH totally love bombed me with the most amazing thoughtful gifts / trips. My children liked him and our blended family was brilliant - holidays together and we had a lot of fun. He was supportive when my parents died with 12 months of each other. We married during this 5yr phase.

2020 came along and DH moved in with me permanently, quit his job and started his own business. It was Covid and I am working full time as well as trying to homeschool kids (2 of whom are neuro diverse), I was still grieving my parents death and had some other problems with my ex husband. DH and i had also made a financial investment largely with my inheritance and it was not going well. Added to this I realised how lazy DH is in the house - I do everything. Essentially the effort he put in when he was just visiting my house disappeared. His children also stopped speaking to me and to this day I don’t know why. I have tried (and cried) asking him why but he either doesnt want to ask them - or he knows and won’t tell me. I’ve not seen them in about 3 years and I am no longer invited to events on that side. He has also been drinking heavily and tells me last minute that he is going away to either visit his kids or go on trips alone. He never tells me when he is coming back. I am just expected to accept his lack of planning and to be honest, I now have. I don’t really care when he goes away for work or for how long. I just rely on myself and focus on my children, work and house.

A few months ago he went away and left his iPad which was pinging. So I looked at it. He has started an emotional affair with someone he works with and they’ve met up a few times for dinner and to moan about their partners. He has tried to get her to meet him for a weekend (at his expense) and they are still planning to meet up. The worst part though is the way he has portrayed me. He has lied about so many things and essentially said I am a money grabbing, cold, heartless bitch who has ignored him for the last 5 years and has had an affair (I haven’t - it’s laughable to even think I would have the time or energy and besides that’s just not me). There are so many outright lies in there, it couldn’t even be that he just sees things differently.

I also read the last few messages with one of his children where it’s clear he has told them I am horrible to him and I have betrayed him in the past. There are also references to being ‘allowed’ to visit them. This is total bullshit as my only issue is that I ideally wanted to know what his plans were. Clearly he has been misleading people about me and now I think I can guess why my relationship with his kids broke down. All of this while he is trying to persuade me to get a new puppy and talks about the future.

Its made me look back and now I see things a little clearer. I’ve always had a bit of a doubt about his faithfulness but I put it down to maybe some jealousy on my part. I also now feel ashamed that I believed everything he said about his ex wife. He is lying about me now so perhaps the whole “she had affairs” was a load of rubbish. He has to be a good liar to have a 5 yr affair during his first marriage doesn’t he?

This is where I am now… I’ve not said anything and I am biding my time. My kids still like him and he works away for a month at a time so I don’t see him a lot. There is so much distance between us but we are pleasant to each other when he is home. I just feel stuck and not quite ready for the fallout of splitting up. I also want to wait and see if he genuinely does meet this other woman and I assume their emotional affair will develop at that point. But that’s just me doubting myself and worrying I will split us up based on just words. I know he will tell me he was lonely and never had any intention of doing anything. But it feels like I am just hurting myself even more.

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thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 14:53

@tsmainsqueeze- I think he does care - I think he is just very selfish and self absorbed. He ran me a lovely bath the other night and lit all the candles in the bathroom. He is good with a grand gesture. Conversely though he didn’t even wish my son a happy birthday (big birthday) or buy him a small gift. I’ve given up on things being from ‘us’ since the fallout from his family aa I presume nothing he gives to them is from us. I think that’s why I struggle - I see these flashes of amazing caring person. If I hadn’t read the texts I would be blaming myself for not making enough effort or driving him away

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thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 14:56

Then I remember odd moments. Years ago I accompanied my dad to get some test results and he was given months to live out the blue. I messaged DH - didn’t ask him to come over to be fair - but I was upset and in shock. Afterwards he said he couldn’t come and see me that day because he has just found out his mum needed some cares to come in every day, and that upset him. It was almost like he needed to trump my level of upset

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PolyCat · 31/08/2025 15:13

thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 14:53

@tsmainsqueeze- I think he does care - I think he is just very selfish and self absorbed. He ran me a lovely bath the other night and lit all the candles in the bathroom. He is good with a grand gesture. Conversely though he didn’t even wish my son a happy birthday (big birthday) or buy him a small gift. I’ve given up on things being from ‘us’ since the fallout from his family aa I presume nothing he gives to them is from us. I think that’s why I struggle - I see these flashes of amazing caring person. If I hadn’t read the texts I would be blaming myself for not making enough effort or driving him away

But isn’t that level of two-facedness appalling to you? He makes you a bath and lights you candles and then goes to text his affair partner and children how terrible you are. Knowing what you know now would make me feel that every nice gesture he does is fake!

A man that loves you would never think those things about you, let alone write them out to someone else.
I also would feel very upset about being portrayed a monster to others.

and of course he is the reason why his children don’t speak to you. Why else? He has a lot of control over their relationship with you. He purposely created a narrative of an evil stepmom about you and they hate you for “taking their poor victim dad away”.

I’m sorry you’re dealing with this OP, my blood boils for you.

PolyCat · 31/08/2025 15:17

thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 14:56

Then I remember odd moments. Years ago I accompanied my dad to get some test results and he was given months to live out the blue. I messaged DH - didn’t ask him to come over to be fair - but I was upset and in shock. Afterwards he said he couldn’t come and see me that day because he has just found out his mum needed some cares to come in every day, and that upset him. It was almost like he needed to trump my level of upset

It’s okay to mourn the good times. All relationships have good times and part of moving on is accepting that good times happened and you will miss the person he was, but he is not the same anymore.

thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 15:30

@PolyCat - yes the two faced nature of it does appall me and everything amazing he does seems shallow and contrived. I need to remember a person can be two things at the same time. I had treated him and my kids to a really expensive holiday this year - super treat type week away. In the build up to it he had been saying to his affair partner that he was unlikely to go as our marriage was over. To me he was saying he couldn’t wait. Funnily enough he forced himself onto that business class flight I had paid for

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PolyCat · 31/08/2025 15:39

thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 15:30

@PolyCat - yes the two faced nature of it does appall me and everything amazing he does seems shallow and contrived. I need to remember a person can be two things at the same time. I had treated him and my kids to a really expensive holiday this year - super treat type week away. In the build up to it he had been saying to his affair partner that he was unlikely to go as our marriage was over. To me he was saying he couldn’t wait. Funnily enough he forced himself onto that business class flight I had paid for

You sound like an incredibly kind, caring and generous person! He does not deserve you.
He is also lying to that woman. While she is not a good person for starting an emotional affair with a married man - it may be worth telling her how two-faced he has been especially if you have text evidence.

Seaoftroubles · 31/08/2025 15:43

OP the new woman is you, all those years ago, and he's spinning her a pack of lies just as he did with you. She's his next victim and he's probably paving the way to jump ship.
Fortunately it's your house so you can ask him to leave immediately. See a solicitor and get legal advice ASAP. This man has no conscience, he's lied to his children about you in order to cause a family rift and l couldn't forgive that.
The only one he cares about is himself so please protect yourself and your family and get rid of this nasty, manipulative, self serving excuse of a man.

thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 16:02

@PolyCat @Seaoftroubles - yeah agree with you both. That’s woman now was me 10 years ago. Lapping up the sad eyes and sad tales of neglect. He is def the leader in the discussion with her, so no blame from
mw for her - based on what she has been told. Yeah I will seek legal guidance this week - thanks

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Tigercrane · 31/08/2025 16:10

Wanted to comment as you seemed stuck and perhaps you are posting on here to get unstuck.
Come on get angry about the contemptuous way he treats you.Not just that he 's stolen your and your children's inheritance.
He's an alcoholic, lazy.He lies about you and speaks abiut you to others in a spiteful way.

You need to do something about this and divorce him even if he does get some of the money get rid of this nasty fellow.
You seem nice shame you attracted him.

Terrribletwos · 31/08/2025 16:21

thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 14:53

@tsmainsqueeze- I think he does care - I think he is just very selfish and self absorbed. He ran me a lovely bath the other night and lit all the candles in the bathroom. He is good with a grand gesture. Conversely though he didn’t even wish my son a happy birthday (big birthday) or buy him a small gift. I’ve given up on things being from ‘us’ since the fallout from his family aa I presume nothing he gives to them is from us. I think that’s why I struggle - I see these flashes of amazing caring person. If I hadn’t read the texts I would be blaming myself for not making enough effort or driving him away

@thekewgirl of course he doesn't care!! He is just very manipulative. Really he runs a bath for you and then behind your back he is lying about you. See the real him for goodness sake. He's a snake and is lying to you and using you....it's clear as day!

Analysisandparalysis · 31/08/2025 16:35

Jesus OP, your DH is an absolute snake in the grass and frankly, he always has been.

Please stop trying to make excuses for his behaviour and treatment of you and your kids. It’s all an act and his mask will slip right off the moment you pull the rug from under him.

Do not feel sorry for someone who holds no bars with utterly lying about you to others and to your face, for years, in fact, since the moment he met you, he’s been lying and creating an entire bullshit history. Even involving his own children in his web of deceit.

He is not your friend - AT ALL.

I would get everything in place with regards to a separation and serve it to him cold and factually. Including delivery a VERY damning update to his latest affair partner (who deserves the truth!)

Tigercrane · 31/08/2025 16:45

The affair partner only deserves to know if it suits you to tell her.Think about getting yourself out first, you can tell her later.

INeedAnotherAlibi · 31/08/2025 16:54

It’s ducks in a row time. Gather all info you can about finances that he may be hiding. If you’re married, you’d automatically be starting from a 50/50 share and then work from there. That’s why you need to find out anything you can about money he might be hiding.
When I got divorced, it started out fairly diplomatic along the lines of ‘Oh we’d been together a long time and as we grew up, we grew apart’. As time went on, people went one of two ways. They either listened to his smear campaign or started to read between the lines and realise how he’d been treating me. Those that believed him were never really my friends anyway 🤷🏻‍♀️ You need to brace yourself but stand up proud knowing you’ve done nothing wrong. Good luck.

AnnaSunshine · 31/08/2025 16:56

thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 10:22

I’ll try to keep this short (ish!) so may leave some stuff out but only to keep it readable.

DH and I were both married before. DH has 2 children who are adults now and I have 3 who are teens now. When we got together DH was pretty open about the 5 yr affair he had during his first marriage but said it was during a period where she was having affairs too and their marriage had been over for a while. (Bit of a red flag I ignored).

Our relationship is almost like in 2 parts. First 5 years we didn’t live together but saw each other an increasing amount of time - to the point that he would spend half the week with me and half in his house. During this period DH totally love bombed me with the most amazing thoughtful gifts / trips. My children liked him and our blended family was brilliant - holidays together and we had a lot of fun. He was supportive when my parents died with 12 months of each other. We married during this 5yr phase.

2020 came along and DH moved in with me permanently, quit his job and started his own business. It was Covid and I am working full time as well as trying to homeschool kids (2 of whom are neuro diverse), I was still grieving my parents death and had some other problems with my ex husband. DH and i had also made a financial investment largely with my inheritance and it was not going well. Added to this I realised how lazy DH is in the house - I do everything. Essentially the effort he put in when he was just visiting my house disappeared. His children also stopped speaking to me and to this day I don’t know why. I have tried (and cried) asking him why but he either doesnt want to ask them - or he knows and won’t tell me. I’ve not seen them in about 3 years and I am no longer invited to events on that side. He has also been drinking heavily and tells me last minute that he is going away to either visit his kids or go on trips alone. He never tells me when he is coming back. I am just expected to accept his lack of planning and to be honest, I now have. I don’t really care when he goes away for work or for how long. I just rely on myself and focus on my children, work and house.

A few months ago he went away and left his iPad which was pinging. So I looked at it. He has started an emotional affair with someone he works with and they’ve met up a few times for dinner and to moan about their partners. He has tried to get her to meet him for a weekend (at his expense) and they are still planning to meet up. The worst part though is the way he has portrayed me. He has lied about so many things and essentially said I am a money grabbing, cold, heartless bitch who has ignored him for the last 5 years and has had an affair (I haven’t - it’s laughable to even think I would have the time or energy and besides that’s just not me). There are so many outright lies in there, it couldn’t even be that he just sees things differently.

I also read the last few messages with one of his children where it’s clear he has told them I am horrible to him and I have betrayed him in the past. There are also references to being ‘allowed’ to visit them. This is total bullshit as my only issue is that I ideally wanted to know what his plans were. Clearly he has been misleading people about me and now I think I can guess why my relationship with his kids broke down. All of this while he is trying to persuade me to get a new puppy and talks about the future.

Its made me look back and now I see things a little clearer. I’ve always had a bit of a doubt about his faithfulness but I put it down to maybe some jealousy on my part. I also now feel ashamed that I believed everything he said about his ex wife. He is lying about me now so perhaps the whole “she had affairs” was a load of rubbish. He has to be a good liar to have a 5 yr affair during his first marriage doesn’t he?

This is where I am now… I’ve not said anything and I am biding my time. My kids still like him and he works away for a month at a time so I don’t see him a lot. There is so much distance between us but we are pleasant to each other when he is home. I just feel stuck and not quite ready for the fallout of splitting up. I also want to wait and see if he genuinely does meet this other woman and I assume their emotional affair will develop at that point. But that’s just me doubting myself and worrying I will split us up based on just words. I know he will tell me he was lonely and never had any intention of doing anything. But it feels like I am just hurting myself even more.

Oh, my love, what an absolutely awful situation that he has created.

I am only thankful that the device pinging revealed this all.

This community is famous for helping people to get all their ducks in a row before

Standingtree · 31/08/2025 17:08

He is treating you in a very awful way.Stop trying to find good things about him, it's all to keep you onside until he get's his next host /victim in place.
Stop making excuses for him.Really go and get that advise from a solicitor this week.
I hope it goes well for you.

GrumpyInsomniac · 31/08/2025 17:20

thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 16:02

@PolyCat @Seaoftroubles - yeah agree with you both. That’s woman now was me 10 years ago. Lapping up the sad eyes and sad tales of neglect. He is def the leader in the discussion with her, so no blame from
mw for her - based on what she has been told. Yeah I will seek legal guidance this week - thanks

Given that she’s been telling him to try and screw you over financially, I’d save your sympathy and find your anger. She’s not a victim in this: she could be encouraging him to take the high road and get out with a clear conscience. Any decent woman - OW or not - would not be advocating for him to hide assets from you.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 31/08/2025 18:38

He is a fundamentally dishonest man. He lies about your character and motivations to his dcs and to other people. These are the actions of someone who is sorely lacking in integrity and is thoroughly untrustworthy.

That alone is enough to divorce him. Plus the laziness. Plus the emotional affair. What a creepy man.

Please do yourself a favour and start divorce proceedings. You have to not care what he says about you to others. Keep your dignity and do not try to explain yourself to them.

He will always pull the rug from under you. You can never trust him. He is awful.

I feel sorry for his dcs, having a father who lies to them about other people. They will have felt great loss too because of his dishonesty.

thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 19:51

@Tigercrane- I am stuck, you are right. I know where this will end but I just can’t quite make myself the bad guy by pressing the button. Maybe that’s why I want to see if the emotionally charged text relationship turns physical - it’s almost them I will have my 100% undeniable proof. At the moment I read the things the lovely people on here are saying and I go… yes but… yes he has regularly drunk a bottle of wine a day but he can be so lovely when not drinking. Yes he is lazy household wise, but he works really long hours in his business. Yes he has been mean about me to this other woman, but perhaps he is lonely and it’s a fantasy escape. He asked her to go an visit him for the weekend where he is working (hot and sunny there) but she has a child so he knew she wouldn’t be able to say yes.

So that’s why I am stuck in limbo… I guess I need more. Got to say though saying to his child that I am horrible to him and have betrayed him was a low blow even I can’t excuse

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thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 19:54

@Terrribletwos- that’s what I need - someone to say it’s clear as day. I think he used to love me (hopefully!) but he is a user

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savethatkitty · 31/08/2025 20:08

Gosh, I don't know what you are waiting for OP. I'd have his belongings packed, ready & waiting for him.

What a real charmer he is!

OfficerChurlish · 31/08/2025 20:17

I think I doubt myself and I think he would explain all this away as him genuinely seeing things in the way he portrays it and he is reaching out for support.

OK, let's say he somehow believes that you are a money grabbing, cold, heartless bitch who has ignored him for the last 5 years and has had an affair, is horrible to him, has betrayed him in the past, and decides on a whim whether or not he is ‘allowed’ to visit his children. Is it at all acceptable that he is seeking support for these things from some random woman he invites away for the weekend and his poor children who should not be dragged in when he has never mentioned A SINGLE WORD of it to you, his wife - and is at the same time pretending to you he doesn't know why his children have cut you off when he knows you're distraught over it and talking to YOU about a future together and getting a new puppy?

Yes he has regularly drunk a bottle of wine a day but he can be so lovely when not drinking. Yes he is lazy household wise, but he works really long hours in his business. Yes he has been mean about me to this other woman, but perhaps he is lonely and it’s a fantasy escape. I read something on MN a while ago which really stuck with me: "imagine someone offers you you a huge sandwich, freshly made just as you like it with all your favourite ingredients and condiments. But the outside is completely slathered with a thin layer of feces. It's only about 10% of the total volume of the sandwich. Would you still eat it?"

Also, fuck no to his basically treating your house as a hotel whilst occasionally doing a competent little bit of housework if you specifically ask him to and he's in the mood. You'd be better off with a charming, entertaining, occasional-bath-running housemate who made their own bed and didn't tell horrible lies about you all over town.

thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 20:18

@Analysisandparalysis- you are right - I know I need to stop making excuses

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thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 20:19

@INeedAnotherAlibi- sorry to hear you had a smear campaign against you. What starts of nice can pretty soon turn nasty

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thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 20:20

@AnnaSunshine- I know i am so pleased I had that iPad for as long as I did so I can look back and take screen shots. He has taken to back now

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thekewgirl · 31/08/2025 20:22

thanks for your message @Standingtree

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