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Marriage is outdated

109 replies

Lifepuzzle · 17/08/2025 10:06

For discussion/viewpoints really. I think marriage is increasingly becoming an outdated concept. I think the value system that underpins it is, theoretically lovely - commitment to one partner for the rest of your life. But the reality of human nature is that people often outgrow each other, sometimes quickly and sometimes after 30 + years together.

I don’t think there is any shame in parting ways with someone who you’ve had a good run with, you’ve been good friends, you might have had children, but seasons move on and the whole idea of “for life” actually becomes too much pressure for people who have tried their best, had good times, but just………moved on. Yes there is something nice about knowing one person forever, but in reality I’m beginning to wonder if the unrealistic expectation of the forever part just forces people into long term unhappiness eventually.

I think marriage often does work - but for a certain lifespan. It’s a contract, in many ways, but contracts that don’t have a review and renewal date after a certain period of time are dangerous things. People should be given the option of continuing to choose their partner. In a utopian world we like to imagine we all stay together until death do us part, but in reality many people are living under conditions that they wouldn’t choose if the contract came up for renewal.Then, when divorces do happen they are often acrimonious, leaving one or both partners feeling like a failure for calling time.

Marriage isn’t just about romance anyway, it is about nailing down financial security and loyalty for the sake of children and asset-building. Yes romance comes into it at the beginning and no-one enters a marriage thinking it will fail. But it’s an outdated concept that allows no flexibility for re-assessment or understanding of the fluid nature of people as they move from one life stage to another.

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Berlin2018 · 17/08/2025 10:22

I probably would have agreed with you in my late teens/ early twenties but life since has taught me the value of having a proper partner - a team mate who is always on your side when things get tough. It’s easy to give up when things get hard or mundane but there is huge value in sticking with it not just for the two of you but for any children you have. My siblings and I all have long happy marriages that have massively enriched our lives. A couple of friends have ended up with a twat and very sensibly have divorced them, but would love to have met and started their families with someone different and still be together now. I also have a colleague who called time on an ok but not exciting marriage who now massively regrets it.

BatchCookBabe · 17/08/2025 10:25

Don't get married then. No-one's forcing you are they?!

Any woman who doesn't get married, when she has children with the man she is with, is incredibly foolish and naive. As is anyone who thinks it's 'just a piece of paper.'

ComtesseDeSpair · 17/08/2025 10:25

It’s a contract, in many ways, but contracts that don’t have a review and renewal date after a certain period of time are dangerous things. People should be given the option of continuing to choose their partner.

Since the legalisation of divorce, and particularly now, with no fault divorce meaning the only reason you need to have for ending a marriage is “I don’t want be married any more”, marriage as a contract does have a review period, constantly, and those in one are free to continue to chose their partner, or not. With the exception perhaps of those who are very religious, people stay in unhappy marriages usually for the same reasons people stay in unhappy cohabiting partnerships: because of the children, for financial reasons, for fear of the unknown, for fear of being alone etc rather than because marriage is a contract they can’t break.

I don’t think marriage itself is outdated. As an institution, it’s changed with the times: divorce, equity of both sexes, civil marriage rather than only religious marriage, same sex marriage etc. It’s the relationships within marriages themselves, and societal structures around relationships, which make flexibility and change difficult.

Venalopolos · 17/08/2025 10:31

Marriage isn’t for life though, it’s until you get divorced (or die if you don’t want to divorce).

It’s about being recognised as a legal union while you are acting as one economic unit and protecting both parties while they make decisions as one economic unit.

It’s okay to just be married for a particular season of your life, eg while you raise children together and then part ways. Marriage means you should both come out of it equally even if you haven’t been able to financially contribute the same throughout that period.

I think marriage is a really relevant part of modern life and it’s really sad that so many people on here don’t value it as such.

CrumpledBlouse · 17/08/2025 10:34

ComtesseDeSpair · 17/08/2025 10:25

It’s a contract, in many ways, but contracts that don’t have a review and renewal date after a certain period of time are dangerous things. People should be given the option of continuing to choose their partner.

Since the legalisation of divorce, and particularly now, with no fault divorce meaning the only reason you need to have for ending a marriage is “I don’t want be married any more”, marriage as a contract does have a review period, constantly, and those in one are free to continue to chose their partner, or not. With the exception perhaps of those who are very religious, people stay in unhappy marriages usually for the same reasons people stay in unhappy cohabiting partnerships: because of the children, for financial reasons, for fear of the unknown, for fear of being alone etc rather than because marriage is a contract they can’t break.

I don’t think marriage itself is outdated. As an institution, it’s changed with the times: divorce, equity of both sexes, civil marriage rather than only religious marriage, same sex marriage etc. It’s the relationships within marriages themselves, and societal structures around relationships, which make flexibility and change difficult.

This.

And marriage has a long history before romance came into it at all, when it was a purely dynastic/economic alliance, anyway. It’s a pretty flexible beast.

Lifepuzzle · 17/08/2025 10:35

@Venalopolos

Marriage isn’t for life though, it’s until you get divorced

”Until death do us part.”

It’s literally for life

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Longnightmoon · 17/08/2025 10:35

Marriage suits many people. For others, a joint mortgage serves the same function

kalokagathos · 17/08/2025 10:37

Well written. I agree with all your points! Been saying similar points since I was in my early 20s! Especially after reading “Love in the Time of Cholera”…

ComtesseDeSpair · 17/08/2025 10:39

Lifepuzzle · 17/08/2025 10:35

@Venalopolos

Marriage isn’t for life though, it’s until you get divorced

”Until death do us part.”

It’s literally for life

Only if you choose to make this declaration in your marriage vows. You don’t have to. It’s not a legal requirement for the vows. Many people don’t. And you can invoke the break clause of divorce at any point in your marriage.

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 17/08/2025 10:42

Personally I think if you are married you are more likely to work through issues and the relationship than say if you aren't. Controversial I know but I think it is better for children too if parents are married as well.

MrsSunshine2b · 17/08/2025 10:43

The same people who say marriage is outdated also say, "I gave up my career to stay at home and look after our children, what do you mean I own nothing now his secretary is moving into our house?" and "I have nothing for retirement and my stepchildren are selling the house I've lived in for decades!" and "My partner is in a coma and the hospital have said that his parents are now in charge of making all the decisions!"

Not everyone is monogamous by nature but lots of people are. I think anyone who hasn't come through difficult times in a marriage and experienced how the partnership deepens and strengthens over time probably isn't aware of what they are missing.

CrumpledBlouse · 17/08/2025 10:44

ComtesseDeSpair · 17/08/2025 10:39

Only if you choose to make this declaration in your marriage vows. You don’t have to. It’s not a legal requirement for the vows. Many people don’t. And you can invoke the break clause of divorce at any point in your marriage.

Yes. It’s certainly not in the civil ceremony wording we had. All we said is that we were (1) free to marry and (2) marrying each other.

NewBlueNoteBook · 17/08/2025 10:46

Marriage isn’t about romance at all. It’s absolutely nothing to do with romance.

Marriage is a legal contract benefitting both sides but providing particular financial protections for women who still tend to be the ones whose career is impacted by childbearing.

You don’t have to get married. Legally and socially you are free to live with a man or have children without those legal protections.

Just make sure you don’t give up your job, and seek legal advice around parent rights, joint house purchases, life insurance and inheritance.

teksquad · 17/08/2025 10:47

I agree with you but you do need some form of contract once you have children and joint mortgages (and joint wills hopefully) - that's why I did a (opposite sex) civil partnership instead. Then you can just dissolve the contract if the relationship ends and don't have to go through an expensive divorce.

CurlewKate · 17/08/2025 10:47

Marriage is outdated. Having a committed life partner isn’t. 2 very different things.

helphelpimbeingrepressed · 17/08/2025 10:47

Lifepuzzle · 17/08/2025 10:35

@Venalopolos

Marriage isn’t for life though, it’s until you get divorced

”Until death do us part.”

It’s literally for life

that isn’t the standard wording for most civil ceremonies in the UK - it is ‘ do you promise to love cherish and respect [x] for the rest of your lives together’ which is quite different. Also, marriage is not ‘literally for life’ or divorce wouldn’t exist at all, yet it does, and is no fault.

Gettingbysomehow · 17/08/2025 10:49

I think romantic fairy tale ending marriage is ridiculous.
If you want a contract to protect yourself and any children you might have then go ahead, but that's all it is.
I won't ever get married again because I have independent property and savings I want to leave to my DS not a husband and Im not prepared to risk the expense of a divorce.
Any relationships I have will be non married ones only.
For me that's just common sense.

teksquad · 17/08/2025 10:49

do a civil partnership and dont have any of the archaic, outdted wording ....

Venalopolos · 17/08/2025 10:53

Lifepuzzle · 17/08/2025 10:35

@Venalopolos

Marriage isn’t for life though, it’s until you get divorced

”Until death do us part.”

It’s literally for life

Well, yes if you want a religious ceremony where the religion sees marriage as a life long sacrament. I doubt many people believe this any more, given the rate of divorce and remarriage.

Many people choose a civil ceremony nowadays that doesn’t include this wording as standard.

ginasevern · 17/08/2025 10:57

It probably is outdated but someone needs to come up with a new contract to protect women and kids financially. Let's face it, men aren't going to voluntarily do that. So if we have a "free for all" society, they'll be the outright winners on every level. OP, would you like to propose a workable alternative?

teksquad · 17/08/2025 11:00

They have ... civil partnerships ...

Goldbar · 17/08/2025 11:29

The main issue with getting rid of marriage imo is kids. You can't send them back and, even if a lot of relationships have a lifespan of under 5 or 6 years, kids are an 18+ year commitment.

If there was some kind of system where default parents got compensated through an hourly rate payable by the parent in caring deficit to the parent in caring surplus, and kids could be surrendered up to the state if a marriage failed so that both parties could be restored to their pre-marriage position, then abolishing marriage might work.

GoodCharl · 17/08/2025 11:31

I agree. Having just got divorced. Been together 27 years so gave it a good go but realised lifes to short to be unhappy.

I still felt the awful 1950s vibes of “you need to try harder/how could you divorce/what about the kids/you cant possibly cope alone/but the shame of being a divorcee” from older Family

newsflash, id been a single, lonely parent for years flogging this dead horse. Id given it my best. Now i had to pay ridiculous money to the divorce process to ask permission, from people who dont know me/him, if we can be granted a divorce! I wont make this mistake again!

I always feel like when you see Edna and Derick who are “celebrating” 70 years together, i feel sad that maybe they werent happy together. Neither were from a generation where divorce was accepted as an option. Its could be more like commiserating 70 years of a crappy marriage where there was no other option and now theyve been together so long they would both be scared to live alone?? Idk

i think some people do find their soulmates and best friends but a lot of people are paving over cracks and posting on fb weekly about how fabulous their hubby is, when we all know behind the scenes it really aint like that! 🤣

burnoutmum · 17/08/2025 11:43

I think the real reason people aren’t getting married is because they are saving for a house deposit and don’t have a spare 10k for a glorified party.
I did get married but at a registry office in a pretty white dress from new look with 2 friends as witnesses and met our parents after for a meal in a restaurant.
Its early days we’ve only been married 9 years but we’re strong and we’re happy and have 3 children and I’m glad we are a family all with the same name but I’m also glad I didn’t get into debt to pay for it or have my parents pay and I know many who did who’s marriages were over after a year.

Dabberlocks · 17/08/2025 11:48

Lifepuzzle · 17/08/2025 10:35

@Venalopolos

Marriage isn’t for life though, it’s until you get divorced

”Until death do us part.”

It’s literally for life

If you are devoutly religious and take those vows then yes, that's what they mean.

Most people do not think that way, even if they get married in a church, so don't take it quite so literally.

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