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Marriage is outdated

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Lifepuzzle · 17/08/2025 10:06

For discussion/viewpoints really. I think marriage is increasingly becoming an outdated concept. I think the value system that underpins it is, theoretically lovely - commitment to one partner for the rest of your life. But the reality of human nature is that people often outgrow each other, sometimes quickly and sometimes after 30 + years together.

I don’t think there is any shame in parting ways with someone who you’ve had a good run with, you’ve been good friends, you might have had children, but seasons move on and the whole idea of “for life” actually becomes too much pressure for people who have tried their best, had good times, but just………moved on. Yes there is something nice about knowing one person forever, but in reality I’m beginning to wonder if the unrealistic expectation of the forever part just forces people into long term unhappiness eventually.

I think marriage often does work - but for a certain lifespan. It’s a contract, in many ways, but contracts that don’t have a review and renewal date after a certain period of time are dangerous things. People should be given the option of continuing to choose their partner. In a utopian world we like to imagine we all stay together until death do us part, but in reality many people are living under conditions that they wouldn’t choose if the contract came up for renewal.Then, when divorces do happen they are often acrimonious, leaving one or both partners feeling like a failure for calling time.

Marriage isn’t just about romance anyway, it is about nailing down financial security and loyalty for the sake of children and asset-building. Yes romance comes into it at the beginning and no-one enters a marriage thinking it will fail. But it’s an outdated concept that allows no flexibility for re-assessment or understanding of the fluid nature of people as they move from one life stage to another.

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CharSiu · 18/08/2025 09:09

Inheritance tax allowance, if you have assets of up to 650k they are IHT free plus you can move money between spouses without tax implications. You can also transfer some of your tax allowance to your spouse if you don’t use it.

It’s financially better but people marry badly or the marriage becomes bad but that is not predictable whereas death and taxes are inevitable.

Glassmatt · 18/08/2025 09:14

It’s mainly the legal and financial benefits marriage brings, however imagine a situations you didn’t get on with your in laws and your partner of 10 years was in hospital and they said you couldn’t visit - it’s stuff like that, that people wouldn’t think about. Or if your DP dies you’re not allowed a say in their funeral for example. You have so many more rights if you’re married.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 18/08/2025 09:30

Selfishshellfishies · 18/08/2025 09:06

I explained what I meant about unpaid labour in my previous post. If you have a relationship where the man thinks of day trips with the kids and organises, looks after his own family and gets all of the presents and healthcare sorted without you having to do it and does his share of the household jobs, life admin etc then bravo. You are in a vanishingly small minority according to all of the data.

So firstly my personal experience :
I would say we have areas of expertise which we respect in each other:

He does all utility bills, house maintance, gardening, DIY ( including making curtains etc) and decor decisions.

I do all health appointments ( making there of) food shopping including cleaning products, toliet roll etc.

We share ( Me doing Lion's share) laundry, school runs, taxing kids, communications with school (s) and other parents.

We share ( equally)food cooking, planning holidays, wider family communications and present buying.

We share ( he does most) day to day cleanig, tidying.

We both took time out when DC were preschool age ( about 18 monthsout of the workforce each). We both worked slightly less than ft while they were in primary school and have worked ft for the last 10 years ( they are 18& 21).

Over the last 21 years we have both had times when we feel like we are giving more and times when we have felt the other is doing more of the supporting role- both finacially and pratically- isn't that what a partnership is ?

More broadly socially speaker an uneven split of domestic labour is not a phenomenon seen only in couples with a marriage certificate. I would actually argue that being married gives a stronger position from which to negotiate a fair split of unpaid labour.

MaxTalk · 18/08/2025 09:32

CharSiu · 18/08/2025 09:09

Inheritance tax allowance, if you have assets of up to 650k they are IHT free plus you can move money between spouses without tax implications. You can also transfer some of your tax allowance to your spouse if you don’t use it.

It’s financially better but people marry badly or the marriage becomes bad but that is not predictable whereas death and taxes are inevitable.

That's if you want to give it away.

Selfishshellfishies · 18/08/2025 10:05

Neurodiversitydoctor · 18/08/2025 09:30

So firstly my personal experience :
I would say we have areas of expertise which we respect in each other:

He does all utility bills, house maintance, gardening, DIY ( including making curtains etc) and decor decisions.

I do all health appointments ( making there of) food shopping including cleaning products, toliet roll etc.

We share ( Me doing Lion's share) laundry, school runs, taxing kids, communications with school (s) and other parents.

We share ( equally)food cooking, planning holidays, wider family communications and present buying.

We share ( he does most) day to day cleanig, tidying.

We both took time out when DC were preschool age ( about 18 monthsout of the workforce each). We both worked slightly less than ft while they were in primary school and have worked ft for the last 10 years ( they are 18& 21).

Over the last 21 years we have both had times when we feel like we are giving more and times when we have felt the other is doing more of the supporting role- both finacially and pratically- isn't that what a partnership is ?

More broadly socially speaker an uneven split of domestic labour is not a phenomenon seen only in couples with a marriage certificate. I would actually argue that being married gives a stronger position from which to negotiate a fair split of unpaid labour.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/articles/womenshouldertheresponsibilityofunpaidwork/2016-11-10

https://ilostat.ilo.org/topics/unpaid-work/measuring-unpaid-domestic-and-care-work/

Why on earth would having a bit of paper (where you showed subservience by having to take their name) mean you could "argue" for them to do their share of life admin and housework? They have either been taught to do it as par for the course or you've married them hoping to change them, which is foolish.

Women shoulder the responsibility of 'unpaid work' - Office for National Statistics

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/articles/womenshouldertheresponsibilityofunpaidwork/2016-11-10

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 18/08/2025 10:20

BatchCookBabe · 17/08/2025 10:25

Don't get married then. No-one's forcing you are they?!

Any woman who doesn't get married, when she has children with the man she is with, is incredibly foolish and naive. As is anyone who thinks it's 'just a piece of paper.'

Not if the woman has more assets and a higher salary and owns her own home which happens more and more these days. It would only be silly if she gave up her career to be a sahm

Neurodiversitydoctor · 18/08/2025 11:20

Selfishshellfishies · 18/08/2025 10:05

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/articles/womenshouldertheresponsibilityofunpaidwork/2016-11-10

https://ilostat.ilo.org/topics/unpaid-work/measuring-unpaid-domestic-and-care-work/

Why on earth would having a bit of paper (where you showed subservience by having to take their name) mean you could "argue" for them to do their share of life admin and housework? They have either been taught to do it as par for the course or you've married them hoping to change them, which is foolish.

Edited

Interesting on those measures I probably do more, but I think some very important tasks are not included on there namely home improvement, gardening and organisation of bills etc.

teksquad · 18/08/2025 12:07

Yes, IHT is the only reason we eventually did a civil partnership, after being together for 25+ years and having 4 kids. We live in an area where a standard family home costs at least 900K so owning a fanily home always takes you into IHT territory.

Prior to that I was not in any finacial peril whatsoever (or no more than him anyway) as we were jointly on the mortgage, had mirror wills, earned pretty much the same throughout and contributed more or less equally, and I have always worked, except for the 4 mat leaves. The only other thing I could now possibly get which I couldn't before is a widows pension, though I expect that will soon be means tested, if it isnt already.

I do accept though that in relationships where the woman doesnt work or doesnt earn as much as the man, marriage/civil partnership is conferring significant protection there.

I dont really see why all non married long term partners with kids still at home dont just do a civil partnership now tbh. Ours cost £85 plus the cost of some nice clothes and a lunch. If I was divorced, with grown up kids and in a new relationship and wanted to protect my kids inheritance I definitely wouldnt though.

TheGoldoffEternal · 18/08/2025 12:17

To the poster with utopian thinking, fyi ....until death do us part , is the reality, time tested process. Your post is scam alert. Don't get married or just divorce. Makes it easy

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