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Am I being unreasonable…

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Snickers2356 · 29/06/2025 21:49

Hi all, firstly I just want to say sorry if this ends up a bit rambly. I’ll try to get to the point. I’ve been with my partner for seven years. At the very start of the relationship he lied to me and was unfaithful. It was to do with an ex who lived abroad and he had a child with and he was worried about her cutting the child from his life if he ended things with her. So during that first few months he lived a double life. When I found out, he finished things immediately with the woman. Because of location he visited once during this time and physically cheated while he was there (I naively thought he was just there to spend time with his child).

A few months later when trying to rebuild things, I found he’d been watching porn and lying/ hiding it. What hurt was that I was actually at our unborn babies hospital appt and he’d planned it so well so I wouldn’t find out with excuses all primed. Despite to my face claiming he’s not really into it etc. and me thinking we could talk about this stuff. Ok so on its own maybe not a huge deal but combined with the above which consisted of him messaging her every time I left the room and video calling every time I wasn’t there, was a big disappointment to me.

Both times I emphasised the importance to me of trust honesty and openness. And I don’t care how bad what you need to say is, just always say it straight to my face and I’ll be so grateful. And both times he’d lied, hidden, and deceived me so much (with the porn he denied it for weeks until he could t find a way out and had to admit it).

So fast forward six years, we were happy. Everything behind us, I thought we had an open close honest relationship. We talk about difficult things and understand each other much better. Atleast I thought. I thought he understood my non negotiable is lying. My previous marriage broke down because of his lies and I just find lying so disrespectful and pointless.

he smokes a few a day and was trying to cut down (I don’t like the smoking but after this long I accept it but try to support and encourage him when he goes through phases of wanting to quite/vape). So he decided he’ll try to smoke only three a day (he decided, not me) and asked me to keep the pack so he wouldn’t take more. The other day I came home and he smelt of smoke, so I said “oh I know what you’ve just had” in a cheeky but caught you out kind of way (kids were there so I didn’t say much). And he started denying. And twisting, and lying and making excuses to cover himself for the next fifteen minutes. But I wasn’t even that bothered. He could have just said “oh yes I had to buy more”. Or even backed out of the lie earlier. But instead he spent his time trying to flip it on me and make out his last one was six hours previously etc.

and I just felt so disrespected that he had lied and acted with this whole denial performance, instead of just saying “yes I did”. Over something so small when he should no that my one dealbreaker after everything we went through was “no lies, ever, not big or small”. And when we were in such a good place, with no problems or issues between us and he could have just told me and I wouldn’t have cared.

But now the problem is I see he acted and reacted exactly the same as previously. And it’s made me completely doubt him and mistrust him again. If he lies to me so desperately about this, what else will he lie to me about? Because maybe it’s just in his nature and it’s his MO. So because my boundaries were so clear and black and white, and because he overstepped them for no reason, I feel I don’t have any choice but to draw a line and finish things. Because if he chooses not to respect me, he’ll lie again if he hasn’t already and I think that’ll break me.

dont hold back, please tell me if I’m being unreasonable. I know a relationship takes effort and forgiveness. But I should mention that over the last two days all he’s done is tell me I’ve over reacted and still not shown any remorse. I think he’s just in shock that we’ve come to this stage over cigarettes. But it’s not that, it’s the lying. Even now he misses the point :-( . Thanks very much in advance …

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Springadorable · 29/06/2025 21:57

Well, the fundamental issue is that you're in a relationship with a liar. And he's not very good at lying and keeps getting caught. He's always going to lie. Realistically you should've ended it when he cheated on you as he showed you how much he respected you at that point. You don't lie to people you respect.

TwistedWonder · 29/06/2025 21:57

You’re being completely unreasonable by standing by a lying cheating porn obsessed prick who doesn’t appear to have even the slightest amount of respect for you

Please look at why your self esteem is so poor that you tolerate this puss poor behaviour.

Yoive forgiven him time and time again so he knows he can lie and cheat with zero consequences and so why would he have any interest in changing who he is now?

The first time he cheated and lied he was showing you exactly who he is and you choice to disregard the red flags he was waving in your face.

Snickers2356 · 29/06/2025 22:03

Springadorable · 29/06/2025 21:57

Well, the fundamental issue is that you're in a relationship with a liar. And he's not very good at lying and keeps getting caught. He's always going to lie. Realistically you should've ended it when he cheated on you as he showed you how much he respected you at that point. You don't lie to people you respect.

Thank you for this straightforward feedback. You’re right. Because my ex did the same thing (actually he was still married when I met him but I didn’t know until I was pregnant), I think I’m too accepting maybe. It seems a lot of men (ok not just men) just spew lies because it’s easier than a difficult conversation. Are there actually partners out there who genuinely don’t lie? I don’t because I don’t want to “dirty” our relationship with lies.

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DorothyStorm · 29/06/2025 22:05

I thought he understood my non negotiable is lying.
but it isnt a non-negotiable. You accept his lying.

Snickers2356 · 29/06/2025 22:09

TwistedWonder · 29/06/2025 21:57

You’re being completely unreasonable by standing by a lying cheating porn obsessed prick who doesn’t appear to have even the slightest amount of respect for you

Please look at why your self esteem is so poor that you tolerate this puss poor behaviour.

Yoive forgiven him time and time again so he knows he can lie and cheat with zero consequences and so why would he have any interest in changing who he is now?

The first time he cheated and lied he was showing you exactly who he is and you choice to disregard the red flags he was waving in your face.

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Wow, ok. I was already pregnant and had just been through the same thing with my ex. As I said I think I’d normalised it but the pregnancies also added pressure as each time it wasn’t just me to think about when I found out. But I take on board your point and it’s true. Thanks

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Snickers2356 · 29/06/2025 22:13

DorothyStorm · 29/06/2025 22:05

I thought he understood my non negotiable is lying.
but it isnt a non-negotiable. You accept his lying.

Well no this time I don’t. I made it so clear after the previous two things but they were five years ago. And like I said we’ve had five years of happiness together as a family between then and now. My reason for coming on here was to see if it’s me being unreasonable to finish with him for this latest lie. My gut tells me to finish as he should know me inside out and how I feel about lying, and there’s no excuse to disrespect me like that’ll

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LivelyMintViper · 29/06/2025 22:16

You either live with the lies or leave. He's clearly not going to change. So, it's make your mind up time

Snickers2356 · 29/06/2025 22:20

We’re separating. I told him already. And I’m clear in my head (really sad, but clear). But he kept saying that I’m making such a big thing about the cigarettes that it’s ridiculous And I was doubting myself if I’m basically being completely unreasonable. But my point was that the smoking is a tiny thing but to him it’s worth disrespecting me for, think how much effort he must go to if he has something big to hide. But I really thought maybe I’m being a nutter about this

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OchreRaven · 29/06/2025 22:21

I understand your frustration. I’ll be honest that my H tell lies that are in my view are unnecessary (never about other women— that’s a red line for me) but like you have said, he would rather tell a white lie than have an uncomfortable conversation. It drives me insane because honesty is really important to me and there is very little I couldn’t get over if he was honest but we end up arguing about the lie rather than the reason he lied for. I have told him on various occasions that this behaviour will impact on my overall trust even though he has very good boundaries with other women (never messages other women, his Instagram is just football and gives me free access to his devices.)

So not much advice to give!

HenDoNot · 29/06/2025 22:23

He didn’t cheat on you, he cheated on his ex with you.

He’s been a liar from day 1. The signs were all there. All you can do is put up or shut up.

Snickers2356 · 29/06/2025 22:24

OchreRaven · 29/06/2025 22:21

I understand your frustration. I’ll be honest that my H tell lies that are in my view are unnecessary (never about other women— that’s a red line for me) but like you have said, he would rather tell a white lie than have an uncomfortable conversation. It drives me insane because honesty is really important to me and there is very little I couldn’t get over if he was honest but we end up arguing about the lie rather than the reason he lied for. I have told him on various occasions that this behaviour will impact on my overall trust even though he has very good boundaries with other women (never messages other women, his Instagram is just football and gives me free access to his devices.)

So not much advice to give!

Thanks for understanding, it’s not easy. And might partner as well has everything open for me to see on his phone, there’s no social media or anything (as neither of us do have), he doesn’t go out with mates. We just work and have family time and do endless home chores… fun fun fun. But we’re like best friends and do everything together, so that’s why this has really shocked me.

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xSoFarSoGoodx · 29/06/2025 22:33

In as few words as I can... such relationships are nuanced but trust your gut instinct and follow through with that decision.

Wishing you well 👍

Snickers2356 · 30/06/2025 05:12

Thanks for taking the time to reply to me. I just want to know are many people in relationships where not a single lie is told? Of course all relationships are challenging sometimes. But can most people here say they fully wholly trust their partner? As in they know their partner inside and out won’t tell them a lie? I’m only asking genuinely because it’s easy for everyone to condemn when someone messes up, but no one replied “I know my partner would never think of lying” etc. so I’m just curious

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Snickers2356 · 30/06/2025 05:13

For me of course my relationship history is full of liars, so hard for me to distinguish what is normal (ok maybe realistic is a better word) and what is not

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OneCosyCrow · 30/06/2025 05:28

Snickers2356 · 30/06/2025 05:12

Thanks for taking the time to reply to me. I just want to know are many people in relationships where not a single lie is told? Of course all relationships are challenging sometimes. But can most people here say they fully wholly trust their partner? As in they know their partner inside and out won’t tell them a lie? I’m only asking genuinely because it’s easy for everyone to condemn when someone messes up, but no one replied “I know my partner would never think of lying” etc. so I’m just curious

Someone messing up is forgetting to buy milk. This is not the case with you. He’s cheated and lied to you and lived a double life, as well as have a porn addiction. Why on earth are you defending him. No, I don’t think you can trust anyone 100 percent but that’s the chance you take it. You said you’re separating so why do you care about this. Be civil at drop offs for the kid, if he decides to do that since he’s always abandoned the one he had with this ex, he doesn’t need to a part of your life.

Shoxfordian · 30/06/2025 05:32

Lying isn't non negotiable when you've already forgiven it - he has no integrity because of how you got together in the first place and he's gone on to prove that again and again.

Snickers2356 · 30/06/2025 05:34

OneCosyCrow · 30/06/2025 05:28

Someone messing up is forgetting to buy milk. This is not the case with you. He’s cheated and lied to you and lived a double life, as well as have a porn addiction. Why on earth are you defending him. No, I don’t think you can trust anyone 100 percent but that’s the chance you take it. You said you’re separating so why do you care about this. Be civil at drop offs for the kid, if he decides to do that since he’s always abandoned the one he had with this ex, he doesn’t need to a part of your life.

Thanks, I just wanted to know because it’s only been a couple of days and like I said we were really happy before. So it’s properly a head decision not a heart one. Which makes is so much harder for me as I have to keep reminding myself the facts. But I don’t actually feel super mad, just very sad

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Bittenonce · 30/06/2025 06:37

It’s normal to feel sad. Just wanted to give you credit for taking a stand - I’ve known some people who are just habitual liars, who will dig themselves into a hole and refuse to back down. And knowing that they’ll do this means you can never trust them. Most people aren’t like this - you just got unlucky, just be careful though because people like this often seem to sniff out the ones who are naturally trusting!

AgentJohnson · 30/06/2025 06:41

Both times I emphasised the importance to me of trust honesty and openness.

Interesting, trust, honesty and openness cant be that important to you if you keep choosing to stay in a relationship with someone who are none of those things. You are your own worst enemy, this man has been a wrong ’un from the very beginning and every time he shows you exactly who he is, you choose to forgive him develop amnesia.

What can you do? Accept that he’s never going to change but you can and should.

Snickers2356 · 30/06/2025 06:53

AgentJohnson · 30/06/2025 06:41

Both times I emphasised the importance to me of trust honesty and openness.

Interesting, trust, honesty and openness cant be that important to you if you keep choosing to stay in a relationship with someone who are none of those things. You are your own worst enemy, this man has been a wrong ’un from the very beginning and every time he shows you exactly who he is, you choose to forgive him develop amnesia.

What can you do? Accept that he’s never going to change but you can and should.

Yes this is true :-(

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OchreRaven · 30/06/2025 07:00

@Snickers2356 When I said my H tells white lies sometimes it’s nowhere near the scale you described. And he’s never even come close to cheating or lied about an interaction with a woman. That is a red line for me.

If it helps to understand he will say things like ‘Male friend wants to go for a drink.’ I see the message and it’s him who suggested going for the drink. Or ‘I’m only going for one’ and will get back at 1am after going back to a friend’s house on the way home. He basically says things that puts him in a better light at the time but doesn’t necessarily reflect reality. I find it frustrating but in every other area he’s a really good husband and dad so IMO not worth breaking up a happy family. But it affects my trust in his words and I’ve had this discussion with him many times.

With your scenario he’s shown he is capable of lying and cheating on a scale that should have ended your relationship at the start. His is a habitual liar and this latest lie is the straw that broke the camels back because you know his lies are capable of great harm. It’s self preservation and self respect and I commend you for sticking to what you have said. If you back down now he will assume you always will.

nopineapplepizza · 30/06/2025 07:04

How can you have had a great relationship for the last few years when you know that he was happy to see both you and his ex at the same time?

Surely, every time he sees his child/picks them up/converses with his ex about kid-related stuff etc it must be difficult for you?

Yes, you were (unknowingly) the OW (HUGE red flag btw), but if you know he’s prepared to lie about having sex with his ex whilst also having sex with you, AND you catch him lying about other stuff, how have you relaxed every time he’s seen his DC and their mum?

Snickers2356 · 30/06/2025 07:11

nopineapplepizza · 30/06/2025 07:04

How can you have had a great relationship for the last few years when you know that he was happy to see both you and his ex at the same time?

Surely, every time he sees his child/picks them up/converses with his ex about kid-related stuff etc it must be difficult for you?

Yes, you were (unknowingly) the OW (HUGE red flag btw), but if you know he’s prepared to lie about having sex with his ex whilst also having sex with you, AND you catch him lying about other stuff, how have you relaxed every time he’s seen his DC and their mum?

His child lives ten hours flight away and he was worried mum would block his contact, as in turn phone off and not let him speak with her if he finished with her. That’s why he tried to keep her happy while carrying on with life here in uk. He speaks with daughter on video call but I’m not worried about him speaking with the mum anymore as his phone is always there and I pick it up and freely look through it anytime. Plus the day he said he’d finish with the mum he did and I saw the messages, the conversations etc. so that’s not a concern for me at all. Of course the deception was a big thing for me but initially she did block him for weeks and he couldn’t contact his daughter. We’ve worked together for last five years and been very close so had no worries about cheating during that time

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Snickers2356 · 30/06/2025 07:16

OchreRaven · 30/06/2025 07:00

@Snickers2356 When I said my H tells white lies sometimes it’s nowhere near the scale you described. And he’s never even come close to cheating or lied about an interaction with a woman. That is a red line for me.

If it helps to understand he will say things like ‘Male friend wants to go for a drink.’ I see the message and it’s him who suggested going for the drink. Or ‘I’m only going for one’ and will get back at 1am after going back to a friend’s house on the way home. He basically says things that puts him in a better light at the time but doesn’t necessarily reflect reality. I find it frustrating but in every other area he’s a really good husband and dad so IMO not worth breaking up a happy family. But it affects my trust in his words and I’ve had this discussion with him many times.

With your scenario he’s shown he is capable of lying and cheating on a scale that should have ended your relationship at the start. His is a habitual liar and this latest lie is the straw that broke the camels back because you know his lies are capable of great harm. It’s self preservation and self respect and I commend you for sticking to what you have said. If you back down now he will assume you always will.

Thank you for this, I see why what your dh does is less serious and a lot more innocent. It is an eye opener for me as I’ve definitely been too understanding before and he’s obviously not taken my warnings and heart felt “honesty is everything to me” with much importance because of my understanding five years ago. He’s obviously just not done anything because nothing has come up that he’s wanted to do. Assuming of course he hasn’t. But I guess this is an eye opener that if the temptation comes along, he’ll take it and just try to cover himself.

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Snickers2356 · 30/06/2025 07:21

I reckon over the next few days I’ll have to keep coming here for support because I want to stay strong but it’s going to be really hard for me. Never finished a relationship where I actually really love the person and they’re like my best friend :-( its easier when you hate the person

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