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What do I do?

30 replies

cantpickaname · 11/06/2025 17:01

Apologies if this is long but I’d really love some impartial advice, long time lurker, infrequent poster. My partner and I are mid fifties have been together 3 years, don’t live together but were planning it for next year. We get on brilliantly, similar personalities, values, outlook, interests etc.

When we first met he told me he had a female friend who was an ex from 4 years before we met,they'd broken up because they became like brother and sister. Both agreed that they got on so well that it would be a shame not to remain friends. I had/have absolutely no problem with this and wouldn’t dream of policing him being friends with someone he’d known for years before we met.

He very rarely mentioned her but after a year I was in his car, and a call came onto speakerphone. I thought her opener was overfamiliar and he was very quick to say “cantpickaname is here, you’re on speaker”. It was clear from that conversation they had spoken earlier that day so I asked how often they were in contact. Eventually, and after a ‘Morning xx’ text popped up from her while I was with him, he said he met her regularly for coffee (and less frequently a meal) and they messaged/spoke to each other every few days but just as friends. No problem with this but he never once mentioned it. I had never had, or asked, to see his phone but I asked if I could see their messages and he had deleted them all, going back years. He said it was because they held private and personal information, eventually admitted some of the conversations would have made me ‘uncomfortable’. I was furious about the secrecy and lies by omission. We broke up for a while but after lots of discussion and promises that he would never lie/keep secrets again we got back on track. He agreed to back away from the friendship and recognised it wasn't healthy and was interfering with our relationship.

Last week (2 years later), he was showing me something on his Facebook and the same woman came up as number one on his shortcuts. I didn’t know what they were but googled it later out of curiosity. Turns out that No 1 in your shortcuts is the person you interact most with on FB. When I next saw him I asked about it, he showed me his phone and the shortcut was gone. He said he had never interacted with her, it was a random algorithm and he couldn’t control facebook. He looked me in the eye and swore he hadn’t deleted her from his shortcuts but when I looked it was there (he obv didn’t know I could find this). Again it's the deception I don't like

I feel about 12 with all of the fb nonsense, and I think I know the answer, but am I overreacting? I’m absolutely devastated over the loss of our potential future together but also think that if I back down again then I am showing him how I’m prepared to be treated. All I keep hearing in my head is “Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me”. Please help me find clarity!

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/06/2025 17:04

He still holds a torch for his ex. He telling you as much in the beginning was a test to see how your boundaries were.

I would end your relationship with him hard as this will be for you. And he lies about fb too.

Purplecatshopaholic · 11/06/2025 17:06

Ugh, he’s a liar. That’s all I would need to know tbh - you can’t trust him.

cantpickaname · 11/06/2025 17:07

Thank you, I wonder the same but surely if he wanted to be with her, which he says he doesn't, he had 4 years to get back with her? Tbh, if anything, she seems keener on him than the other way round

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Garfieldd · 11/06/2025 17:27

The most likely dynamic is he is into her and she's stringing him along.

NoMaryland · 11/06/2025 17:57

What age group are you, are there children involved ?

TwistedWonder · 11/06/2025 18:01

Garfieldd · 11/06/2025 17:27

The most likely dynamic is he is into her and she's stringing him along.

Agree. He’s got a crush and she’s no longer interested but wants to keep him in her life as a friend and someone to get attention from.

I dated someone with a similar set up and I realised she deliberately clung to him and I was seen as getting in the way of her using him as her ego boost. She had a partner but she was non stop calling g my ex to moan about him.

I walked very quickly - it’s too much drama imo at your time of life.

His initials aren’t SV are they? It sounds so similar

Treacletoots · 11/06/2025 18:10

Something very odd is going on here OP. You're not absolutely loaded are you OP? Are they planning to rip you off.

But honestly they sound like they're still far too entwined. You know he's lying to you, and he keeps lying to you. I would have dumped him the first time. They don't change OP

CharlotteSometimes1 · 11/06/2025 18:13

It’s probably innocent enough that he doesn’t think it’s a problem, but it sounds like it’s an ego boost for both of them. I’ve been on every side of this kind of situation, but when you meet someone and it’s serious, you either introduce the female friend who then becomes a friend of the couple, or the friendship ends. I’ve ended friendships for this reason including one with an ex I genuinely was like a sibling to, but when he mentioned his new girlfriend was uncomfortable and didn’t want to meet me I walked away.

I suspect the relationship between the two isn’t strictly a threat, but he has lied, not just a little lie, but one that caused major issues in your relationship. If you carry on with this man will you ever trust that his values are really the same as yours? If he can look you in the eyes, blatantly lie and carry that lie on for years you cannot trust him. Trust isn’t always about being sexually exclusive, it’s about knowing you will not do something knowingly to hurt the other person.

slinkiemalinkiey · 11/06/2025 18:44

I suspect he is still enjoying the kick he is getting from her . What I would not like is that he has lied BY OMISSION to you. He hasn't mentioned the coffees, the meet ups. It's normal for people to say " oh I saw so and so yesterday". He didn't - why not ? I assume because he thought you wouldn't like it? In that case he knows he's not being fair in a long term relationship. He's wanting his cake and to eat it too.

cantpickaname · 11/06/2025 18:59

NoMaryland · 11/06/2025 17:57

What age group are you, are there children involved ?

Mid fifties, adult children

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cantpickaname · 11/06/2025 19:02

Treacletoots · 11/06/2025 18:10

Something very odd is going on here OP. You're not absolutely loaded are you OP? Are they planning to rip you off.

But honestly they sound like they're still far too entwined. You know he's lying to you, and he keeps lying to you. I would have dumped him the first time. They don't change OP

We're both 'comfortable' financially, but not rich, if anything he's slightly better off than me. Very generous, has paid for many holidays and day to day expenses. You're absolutely right though, he keeps lying and that's what I can't and won't tolerate

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cantpickaname · 11/06/2025 19:04

@CharlotteSometimes1 thank you for your post, i think this hits it on the head, especially the comment about trust not being just sexual. Love the name BTW!

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cantpickaname · 11/06/2025 19:10

@Garfielddno, not the same initials, I feel like it's this dynamic but in reverse, she's an ego boost for him

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FoxAches · 11/06/2025 19:33

“Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.”

Indeed. I would walk away from this.

NoMaryland · 11/06/2025 21:48

cantpickaname · 11/06/2025 18:59

Mid fifties, adult children

Sorry missed this in your op, are the adult childrens hers ?

If not there is no reason for them to be so close when they have previously been intimate.

I would also walk away, you deserve more.

He lied.

Havingasmashingtime · 11/06/2025 21:55

If they wanted to be together - then they would be together.

if he wanted to be with her then why would he be with you?

he clearly loves you and wants you OR he would be with that woman

cantpickaname · 11/06/2025 22:22

@NoMaryland, no children together, they were only in a relationship about 18 months but he said she was very good to him after his divorce and so he still cares for her

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cantpickaname · 11/06/2025 22:24

@Havingasmashingtime but then why the secrecy and lies, it's not their friendship thats a problem, it's the deception

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CrackSpackle · 12/06/2025 00:49

@cantpickaname you know the reason he immediately said “cantpickaname is here and you’re on speaker” right? Who knows what sexy talk was about to come forth. Probably FB’s all this time. Ugh. Get rid and get tested for STI’s.

Sosostressedandanxious · 12/06/2025 05:48

If there wasn't something to hide there wouldn't be the deception.

There is obviously more to their relationship than he has ever admitted to you. I would assume they have a sexual arrangement.

I would end your relationship with him.
You will never be able to trust this man.

healthybychristmas · 12/06/2025 07:40

Definitely end this relationship. I agree about the speaker in the car. He really didn't want her to speak freely. You can't trust him and FFS if you can't trust someone when they are in their 50s you can never trust them! He will have had a lifetime of being untrustworthy. I'm really sorry as you did like him but this one should be thrown back in the sea.

devildeepbluesea · 12/06/2025 07:43

With almost all threads similarly titled, what is to be done is that OP should dump. I’ve read nothing here which suggests a different strategy

OchreRaven · 12/06/2025 07:54

I don’t think he’s cheating physically or will get back together if you end things but it’s an inappropriately close relationship. If he met her after his divorce she is his rebound. Those relationships very rarely work but she is still a safety blanket for him. This is why being any more than acquaintances with your ex it problematic in most scenarios. The level of intimacy established can very rarely be dialled back to an appropriate level for another relationship to feel secure.

It is ok if he was just chatting to her via FB and was open and honest about it. He is quite within his rights to say he wanted to maintain a friendship with her and you both agree the boundaries.

Instead he promised you the world which he had no intention of sticking to and then lied and hid things from you to cover it up. That says things about him and his capacity to deceive. He has it in him and that’s not something that you can tolerate.

Lurkingandlearning · 12/06/2025 09:10

Whatever the extent or depth of his relationship with her, it is important to him and he very much wants to hang on to it. It is more important to him than your feelings or probably the feelings of anyone else he might start a relationship with. He hid the frequency of their contact from you from the outset, which I think is dishonest even if by omission. He said he thought you’d be uncomfortable with it because he knows anyone would be uncomfortable playing third wheel to that friendship.
Whatever the reason their relationship ended they seem way more invested in each other than friendly exes usually are. He seems to be getting everything from his relationship with her that he would get from a girlfriend except the sex and holidays. It seems weird to me. Maybe the combination of you and her make the perfect girlfriend. It’s not a situation I would want to be in

Saltedcarameltiramisucheesecake · 12/06/2025 09:20

He will keep you on the back foot, always wondering if he is being honest about probably anything and everything. I could not live that way. Can you?

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