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Being friends with the parents of your children's friends

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Tigermoth · 15/03/2001 13:31

Is it me or do others get upset about this? My son has a good number of friends both in and out of school. I like to assume that if a friendship is making both children happy, their mothers (or fathers) would make some effort to get to know each other, too.

My son has one friend he has known since he was a toddler. They get on very well and I seem to get on well with his mother. But the only time we meet up is when she has her son on tow. Because our children naturally want our attention then, and the visits are fairly child-centered, it's difficult to hold a long adult conversation with her -though we do try! She's always eager to meet up, but when I've suggested we meet sometimes for a few hours by ourselves she has made it clear she does not want to. I'm sorry, but I find this a bit insulting. Presumably she likes my son and I enough to spend time with us - or is she just tolerating it for the sake of the children's friendship?

I've noticed the same thing happening with some of my son's other friends, both old and new. Some mothers seem to see it all in a very one-dimensional way. I obviously don't expect to become close buddies with each mother every time my son makes a new friend, but it's nice to get to know new people in my son's social circle, and if we like each other too, having our own friendship. I just don't like basing adult friendships on solely on meetings when I am in full-time mum mode. It makes me feel far too old and respectable!

I don't want to come across as Billy-no-friends - I do have lots of friends who aren't like this, honest!! but I find the mothers who do this rather baffling. Any comments?

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Kmg · 27/05/2001 17:22

Jodee, we moved two weeks before the eldest was born, so lost all contacts through antenatal groups. Our health visitors ran a postnatal group, which was helpful to meet people, but most of them were going back to work fairly quickly, and weren't interested in meeting up regularly. You could ask your h.v. to put you in contact with someone with a child a similar age. Or at your M&Ts invite someone to come to your house for coffee and play later in the week. This doesn't suit everyone, so expect some refusals, develop a tough skin and just keep asking.

Jodee · 27/05/2001 21:58

Hi kmg - yes, I did ask my hv to put me in touch with any mums with babies of a similar age to mine when my son was about 6 months old, but heard nothing back from her (surprise surprise). Sorry to be cynical but I haven't found her to be helpful at all.
I did feel a bit isolated when I was on mat leave; my mum is very close and she is fantastic, but it would have been nice to have another new mum to share the highs and lows with, as well as having a playmate for my boy. I feel a bit better now I've gone back to work and the M&T group is OK as I said, but I'm not as thick-skinned as I would like to be (getting better!) and don't take rejection too well, but working on it!

Winnie · 28/05/2001 04:45

Jodee, Hi. I read your post with interest as a similar thing has happened to me. With a daughter of eleven, and having been working or in fulltime education since she was a baby, I have found the experience of having a second baby (now seven and a half months) extremely isolating.

All my friends are either work related and childless, or university related and some miles away, or from my youth and spread out across the country/world!

I haven't attended a M & T group as yet as my baby boy is still so young & I am not sure I'd be welcome. Luckily, I do see friends regularly but usually at weekends or in the evenings. In the daytime, between the hours of 9-5 I see friends infrequently! (Although I have become a dab hand at inviting friends who work to lunch either at my home or out & about!)

I shall be returning to work soon so this isn't too much of a problem but like you I would like to have friends with children the same age as my son to share the highs and lows with and, it would be nice for my son to have children of his own age to interact with rather than the stream of eleven year old girls who simply find him a 'sweet' novelty. So, no advice I am afraid, but just letting you know that you are not the only person who hasn't made friends via antenatal groups etc...

Chairmum · 28/05/2001 18:54

NCT run groups called Bumps & Babies, which are for pregnant mums and mums with babies up to a year old. You don't need to have attended NCT classes, or even be a member of NCT to go along to them. NCT 020 8992 8637

Jodee · 28/05/2001 20:53

Hi Winnie, many thanks for your moral support. I'm sure there must be other mums out there in the same boat as us - pity we are all so spread out or we could have our own Mumsnet M&T group!
I did find it easier going to the M&T group when my son could crawl (he is 14 months now and started crawling at 10 months, but he's not walking yet) as it meant we could interact more with the other babies/Mums. When I tried the M&T groups where I didn't feel that I fitted in, he was only just sitting up so I was stuck in a corner on my own with him - no wonder I didn't go again.
I am going to enquire about the Tumbletots group near me; and I think they do something called Gymbabes for prewalkers - maybe there is one near you that you could take your son to?
I have finally come to the conclusion that no-one is going to come knocking on my door and invite me to their social activity; so, even though my stomach gets tied up in knots at the thought, I've got to do something about it.
Best wishes, Jodee

Marina · 29/05/2001 09:16

Jodee, Winnie, no you're not alone. It is isolating, isn't it? We have good friends with children our age...in Edinburgh and Guildford (we live in London), so like you, I don't think I'm that horrible a person to spend time with. My small NCT group hit it off OK and keep in touch: but two of the other three couples have also moved well out of London. Most of the people from my postnatal group (well done our health visitors, they hosted a six week "baby-parenting" course that was basically a coffee morning) have not yet returned to working outside the home or are on to baby number 2, so arrange lots of nice midweek meetings (fair enough). I really see mumsnet as a virtual parents' group sometimes...and to be honest, it's rather nice discussing issues without people looking beadily at each other's toddlers to see whose is talking best, biting least, etc. The atmosphere at the old group went off rather sharply when walking became an issue!

Beata · 21/06/2001 18:50

I read with fascinated recognition the accounts of people who don't even respond when greeted by another parent. I am dying to know why people behave like this, and why people won't try to welcome others to playgroups etc. Please could someone look deep into their own past and see if they've ever "cold-shouldered" anyone by leaving them out of a clique, or ignoring greetings etc? I can honestly say that as soon as I know the ropes anywhere I will welcome others who are newer than me, and i can't for the life of me imagine why anyone doesn't. Is it shyness? Own up, cliquey people. Perhaps you actually have a self-worth, insecurity problem ?

Suew · 22/06/2001 00:41

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Chelle · 22/06/2001 03:13

I hope I have never not responded to someone's greeting!! But, like Suew, I do tend to get a bit wrapped up in what I'm doing at times. I know at work I often have to ask people to repeat what they have just said. I know in the back of my mind that they said something while I was concentrating on something else, but I have no idea what it was they said!

I also have trouble picking specific sounds out if there is a lot of background noise, my poor husband usually bears the brunt of this though, not being heard by me with the range hood going, the tap running and 2 year old yelling for dinner!

Janh · 22/06/2001 08:45

jodee, i just read your message about sitting on your own in the corner at a M & T group with your precrawler. what sort of people run these groups where newcomers are not welcomed? do they just do it as a means of meeting up with their own friends and feeling proud because they are doing it? surely the organisers should make a point of greeting and involving new people? i think it's really sad that this happens. makes you hope they have to move to a new place one day and nobody talks to them either (scuse hypocrisy!!!)

Tigermoth · 22/06/2001 14:31

Just like to add a quick message here, already reiterated on the 'isolation' board.

Here's an invitation to you all: I'm one of a small, fledgling group of parents and their offspring who meet up in SE London, usually weekends - but it doesn't have to be.

The group met via mumsnet a while back. You don't have to live in SE London to join us! Anyone is welcome and we PROMISE to say hello to you.

If anyone would like to meet up with us in the park sometime, please e mail: [email protected]

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Star · 22/06/2001 19:45

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Jodee · 22/06/2001 20:55

Janh, it was so unfriendly I couldn't wait to leave. The organisers did greet me at the start but after I was plonked in the corner on my own they just left me to it, plus the looks I got from other Mums, you would have thought I'd grown an extra head or something. I am starting to settle in at the Toddler Group I go to now, have got chatting to a few other Mums and don't feel that I stick out like a sore thumb any more.
I always try and smile and say hello to someone who's on their own, even if you don't get a conversation going it at least sends out the right signals that your'e approachable.
Tigermoth, that really is such a nice idea, I will drop you a line to see when&where you are all meeting up.

Alexsmum · 23/06/2001 10:28

I've been reading lots of comments about sahm's being smug and looking down on working mothers and I just wanted to say that my experience is completely different.I'm a stay at home mum and practically every other mother I know works, either full time or part time.And what's more, I feel totally looked down on for being a sahm.I'm obviously brainless,boring and completely child fixated.How could I possibly find looking after my child a fulfilling job? I went to nct antenatal classes and I have kept in touch with everyone but one woman who was bonkers.They all work and so we meet up at weekends everry couple of months.I also go to nct coffee get togethers and none of the mums are smug and they nearly all work at least part time. I live 'oop north' so maybe that's the difference.I didn't meet any friends through nhs antenatal class as it was full of 16 year olds.It's incredibly difficult to not feel isolated during the week and as someone said earlier, its hypocritical but I hpoe the cliquey mums at m&T groups have the same thing done to them one day.Sorry if this sounds like a rant but I get weary of hearing people saying how difficult it is work and have children.I'm sure it is but its also bloody difficult to stay at home with them too.

Janh · 23/06/2001 22:02

alexsmum, i loved your bit about the one who was bonkers (i take it you don't mean literally!)

whereabouts are you oop north? what county?

Janh · 23/06/2001 22:05

alexsmum, i loved your bit about the one who was bonkers (i take it you don't mean literally!)

whereabouts are you oop north? what county?

Janh · 23/06/2001 22:06

oops

Allie · 24/06/2001 20:08

Good idea , mumsnet groups.
Anyone else within travelling distance of Sheffield?
Also - Sml and Marina - are you software developers? So am I. Oracle but thinking of retraining - what do you specialise in?
Agree about mums giving you the cold shoulder, but where I lived up till this year it was 90% cold shoulder, SHeffield it's about 5%. Why??

Janh · 24/06/2001 20:16

allie, where did you live before? (just roughly - region or county - if you don't want to specify!)

Allie · 25/06/2001 08:03

Well, it was Britain but not England...

Rubyrubyrubyrubee · 14/04/2024 05:52

Sorry I know i’m naughty for posting on this zombie thread. I did a Google search for a topic on Mumsnet and this popped up from 23 years ago!!!! I was still at school age 17 😂

I wonder if the posters are still on Mumsnet or where they are now?!

alexsmum · 14/04/2024 06:15

I am still at mumsnet.
The baby I was a sahm to is now 24 and has a master's degree!

Rubyrubyrubyrubee · 14/04/2024 07:46

@alexsmum i don’t know why but this has made me feel emotional!

HelloDenise · 14/04/2024 08:49

Doesn't anyone in this thread know how to tag anyone they're replying to? Very odd thread that's been hijacked.

Bobbotgegrinch · 14/04/2024 13:33

HelloDenise · 14/04/2024 08:49

Doesn't anyone in this thread know how to tag anyone they're replying to? Very odd thread that's been hijacked.

I doubt Mumsnet had a tagging feature 23 years ago!

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