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So sad ....... a good man, but (sorry a bit long)

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MargoLivebetter · 19/05/2025 10:04

I'm in my mid 50s. Been in a relationship for about 5 years now with DP. We are both financially independent, have our own place, do lots of nice things together, share interests, go on great holidays. He is consistent, generous, reliable, interesting and I find him physically attractive, which is nothing short of a miracle by the time you get to your mid-50s. We don't live together.

I have two early 20s children and a medium sized family who I see regularly. He has no children, one surviving parent and an estranged sibling who is 14 years younger than him. One of my DC still lives at home and the other lives in a shared house with friends, but comes home reasonably frequently.

Part of the reason we don't live together is that when we discussed it seriously, I said that it was really important to me that wherever I lived my children would always have a place to stay. Their father is a complete tool and they definitely are not welcome to stay with him, so I want them to feel that there is a home for them with me. My eldest is autistic and does now have a decent job with career prospects but still needs a fair bit of support with personal admin and just life generally. I see that DC living independently but not quite yet. DP said that whilst he'd always be happy to welcome both my DC into a shared home, it would have to be on a strictly time limited basis. I found that very off-putting and it made me decide to continue living in my own home.

I'm increasingly noticing that he has huge difficulties sharing people and is very insular. He doesn't like sharing his remaining parent with the step-parent and always prefers to meet them alone. Part of the reason I think he is estranged from his sibling is because he went from being an only child, who was clearly the apple of his parents' eye to having to share that attention. And he dislikes sharing me, not with friends and he isn't trying to isolate me, but sharing me with my family and particularly my children. He is incredibly reluctant to join in with my larger family events and more often than not will have other commitments that seem to prevent him from coming to birthday celebrations and so on. Obviously, with only one remaining family member that he sees at all, it is not something that happens much in his life.

He reiterated this weekend how important it was for him that we spend time together "alone". I don't disagree but we already spend every second weekend together alone and we also spend every holiday we go on "alone". For me it is important that he can be part of my family, which he definitely isn't at all. He sits on the outside dipping in very, very occasionally. I felt so profoundly sad when he said his alone thing again this weekend and I'm still trying to process it.

I can't change him, the only thing I can change is my approach and my response. I am a post-therapy people pleaser. My first instinct is to want to "fix" this by giving him more alone time, but my post-therapy self knows that this is not the solution. What I'm not entirely sure is how to tackle the issue, if it is even worth tackling, or if I accept that to have a relationship with him, this is how it has to be.

Thoughts welcome!

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MrsKeats · 19/05/2025 16:10

HoppingPavlova · 19/05/2025 10:09

And he dislikes sharing me, not with friends and he isn't trying to isolate me, but sharing me with my family and particularly my children

Anyone who dislikes sharing me with my (adult) kids would be a non-starter.

100% this.

SandrenaIsMyBloodType · 19/05/2025 16:33

I agree with others that there’s a lack of compatibility which means you can’t reasonably integrate this relationship further into your family life. He doesn’t want it and even though you might be able to “leverage” his dislike of being seen as unreasonable, you shouldn’t have to and ultimately it wouldn’t work. He is who he is.
But I do think there’s value in the relationship as it stands. A good, introverted, attractive man who is respectful of your family despite not wanting to be involved with them, who is kind to you and whose company you enjoy still seems like a pretty good addition to your life.
You can’t change him but can you perhaps change what you want from the future. Lots of people are “living apart together” these days. Could you just carry on as you are or will you always feel you are missing something? Crucially, might you really miss him if you ended things?

3pointmountain · 19/05/2025 16:37

SandrenaIsMyBloodType · 19/05/2025 16:33

I agree with others that there’s a lack of compatibility which means you can’t reasonably integrate this relationship further into your family life. He doesn’t want it and even though you might be able to “leverage” his dislike of being seen as unreasonable, you shouldn’t have to and ultimately it wouldn’t work. He is who he is.
But I do think there’s value in the relationship as it stands. A good, introverted, attractive man who is respectful of your family despite not wanting to be involved with them, who is kind to you and whose company you enjoy still seems like a pretty good addition to your life.
You can’t change him but can you perhaps change what you want from the future. Lots of people are “living apart together” these days. Could you just carry on as you are or will you always feel you are missing something? Crucially, might you really miss him if you ended things?

Yes, it seems like an idyllic arrangement to me, but if it's not for you.....

MargoLivebetter · 19/05/2025 16:58

@SandrenaIsMyBloodType carrying on as we are is distinctly possible.

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4kids3pets · 19/05/2025 17:02

Nope I wouldn't do this, made very clear before got married again that the guy had to be family orientated etc and luckily several years on very much so. About every 6 months we will go for a couple of nights alone away other than that we do everything with our own family and extended

GeorgeMichaelsCat · 19/05/2025 17:04

DP said that whilst he'd always be happy to welcome both my DC into a shared home, it would have to be on a strictly time limited basis.

I suspect that by the time you live together, this would start to change and he would start to ensure your kids didn't spend that much time at your shared home.

Olika · 19/05/2025 17:19

I am worried of his possesses of you. If you were to
live together I think it would increase as he would start controlling you more and isolate you from all others.

TheHerboriste · 19/05/2025 17:27

I’m not clear on “dislikes sharing me.”

Is it just that he dislikes people coming and going unexpectedly when you are cooking or watching a film or whatever? Many live-aloners are unaccustomed to interruptions and the hustle & bustle of a multi person household.

Is it that he is tired and doesn’t want to make conversation with others during his leisure time? Again, understandable.

Or is he controlling and jealous?

MargoLivebetter · 19/05/2025 17:31

@TheHerboriste I suspect a definite yes to your first two points. Both of which are understandable. I hope it is a no to your third, but I guess, I am not 100% sure.

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Communitywebbing · 19/05/2025 17:33

ruddygreattiger · 19/05/2025 11:48

Just his statement that your children would only be able to visit for limited times would have seen him dumped. How DARE he dictate how you spend time with your children!
If you haven't got the major ick from that alone then be honest and say your relationship will continue separately on YOUR terms and if he doesn't like it he is free to find someone else who is willing to give up everything for him.

I don’t think this means that he’s expecting to limit op’s time with her children, he’s saying that he isn’t prepared to live with them himself for indefinite periods. If that’s not OK with his partner then they can’t live together. It’s good that he’s been so clear before living together.
I have said similar to my partner; his adult DC are welcome to stay with us as often as they like but not to move in for an indefinite period, unless they were ill or vulnerable in some way.

BoundaryGirl3939 · 19/05/2025 17:50

I'm a bit like your partner. I find it hard to make connections with many people. It seems as though his upbringing caused much of this. Having a sibling 14/15 years younger is tough. Very hard to form a connection with someone so much younger. Pity he doesnt have more siblings. Thats not his fault. And I understand that he prefers to spend time with his parent minus the step parent. I would be the same.
Perhaps he feels uncomfortable around your dcs and subconsciously feels as though he is intruding on another family.
You seem to get on well with him. Perhaps when your dc's have flown the nest, the dynamic will balance.

3pointmountain · 19/05/2025 17:52

Communitywebbing · 19/05/2025 17:33

I don’t think this means that he’s expecting to limit op’s time with her children, he’s saying that he isn’t prepared to live with them himself for indefinite periods. If that’s not OK with his partner then they can’t live together. It’s good that he’s been so clear before living together.
I have said similar to my partner; his adult DC are welcome to stay with us as often as they like but not to move in for an indefinite period, unless they were ill or vulnerable in some way.

I agree. I wouldn't want to live with someone else's adult DC either. TBH although I'd never turn them away, I'd prefer my own adult children lived elsewhere too!

Not wanting to live with OP's children isn't the same thing as wanting to seperate her from them, but probably does mean they shouldn't live together.

Noshadelamp · 19/05/2025 18:01

Perhaps spend an extra evening in the week just the two of you if he shows more willing to hang out with your children once in a while?

It's normal to want to spend quality time alone with your partner, and as far as I understand, you only spend two weekends a month alone together.

This isn't a lot especially as you don't live together.

And it seems like he's an introvert, maybe has social anxiety so he doesn't like being around other people.

There's nothing wrong with either of you, it depends how important you are to each other as to how much time you're willing to give.

Turmerictolly · 19/05/2025 18:59

I think he needs to accept that, if he’s at yours, that means your children and family will be around. I’d keep it as it is for the time being and see where it goes longer term should the need arise. If you enjoy being around your family, future grandkids, don’t compromise. His happiness shouldn’t trump yours or the welfare of your children.

MissPrismsMistake · 19/05/2025 21:48

If you can accept his lack of feeling towards your family you could probably carry on as you are, for now. You’re both young and presumably healthy and don’t actually need anything from the other except the fun parts of a relationship. Skip forward twenty or thirty years … I’d hope you’d still be maintaining separate households - because if he should become ill or incapacitated, it wouldn’t be easy on you if you were living together and he said he didn’t want anyone else coming in to help him. Just you …

🤔

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 20/05/2025 13:37

Some of his points seem perfectly reasonable (not hanging out often with extended family) but the insistence that if your children needed a safe harbour it could only be temporary would have to make it a no. I might feel the same way, but Id welcome them both if it was essential. To have to time- limit it would created considerable resentment.... and the adult child might really need you, worst case.

But the possessiveness would be final straw. You're no one's posession.

He sounds good in many ways but moving in together would be asking for trouble.

Orarita · 20/05/2025 13:57

MargoLivebetter · 19/05/2025 11:47

@IceAndShadow are you trying to push an organisation called "Heartsong"? Do you have a financial connection to it or some other vested interest? If you do, you should be declaring that upfront.

Thank you for all your thoughts. He is definitely a loner. I see myself as very self-sufficient but he takes it to a whole other level.

I also am aware that I see my wider family a fair bit and it does take away from time that we could spend together. He is of course always welcome but he chooses not to come. I have expressed disappointment when he hasn't been available for family celebrations, but I certainly don't think he needs to be seeing my wider family for an afternoon every second weekend like I do. I had also hoped that he might be able to come on holiday with me and the DC at some point, but I cannot see that as a possibility at all.

I think a further conversation is definitely warranted before I give up. He is not closed off to discussion and hates being seen as "unreasonable", so that might give me a bit of leverage.

To be honest I wouldn’t wouldn’t want to go on holiday with adult kids either so I can understand that one.

Empress13 · 20/05/2025 13:59

What will happen when your kids have children?

disturbia · 08/09/2025 19:40

Remember you are not his possession and wanting to be with you alone all the time doesn't mean he loves you . Trying to isolate a person from their family is a common form of control. Although his desire to spend all these times with you alone can seem romantic he could be trying to control you. Don't accept this behaviour for your own sake

MargoLivebetter · 09/09/2025 10:29

@disturbia agree, thank you. We are no longer together.

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