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Would you go NC over this?

51 replies

Statelyhomes · 06/05/2025 16:04

My sisters wedding abroad. We manage to get a newborn and a 2/3yo child over there without a hitch. Perfect flight. Accommodation amazing. Weather glorious. Everything great.

Day one is the young child’s birthday. We did their presents and party a week before so they could have the full experience. So we didn’t do the whole birthday thing as didn’t want to confuse them. But we did want to have a really nice day. Planned to visit a very cool park, have lunch and an other fun visit for the afternoon.

My parents didn’t want to come to the planned events. Said they wanted to chill. Many family were arriving in the town so not offended by this. We had one car between us all. They said they would be fine making their own way around with taxis and for us not to worry about them.

My mother is very intense and stressy, also a contrarian. Constantly doing the opposite to what I say. Ie. On the plane keeps telling my child he can come out of his seatbelt and wander the plane. I say no please (as what an utter nightmare it would be to get him back in). This is just one example. It’s a constant stream. Minor and major. My dad is quiet. Quite intense also but can be lighthearted and is usually the reasonable one.

Anyway. We have the best day. Then get home at 7pm. No sight of my parents but then they have met many in the town so assume they are having a great time drinking. Received a phone call half an hour later. Can we pick them up? I said ‘oh, DP has just had half a beer and we are doing dinner and bedtime’. Do you really need picking up? They say it’s fine no worries - they can get a cab.

Turns out getting a cab was a nightmare and another relative had to drive them back. We say oh no. Sit down and start dinner for ourselves. I say to my mum well what’s the plan for tommorow then? She says why do we need to make plans? I said because it would be nice to tell DC what we are doing and also as we have to make sure we share the car now. She’s going on and on drunk about why do we need to tell DC what we are doing? Clearly just wanting to critique our parenting. I said because we do and why is it a big deal. Takes serious offence that we told DC we were going to the park. I said why does it matter. This is clearly annoying you - why? She said it is. She doesn’t know why and will think about it. I said well we need a plan because of the car anyway. Then starts gaslighting that it was me who said we should have one car and it’s all my fault. Ends up in her screaming at me whilst I am just sitting trying to eat dinner.

Meanwhile my partner left. It’s best to avoid my mum when she’s drunk and on a warpath like this. It’s quite normal. He went and sat with my dad in the porch as thought he looked lonely. Started chatting about a work meeting tomorrow that was worrying him. My dad turns round and very spitefully starts saying he deserves everything he gets for ripping off public services (which he doesn’t otherwise we wouldn’t get any work). DP then just leaves and goes to bed but quite upset and shocked.

Next morning I find out about the incident with my dad. I was very sad, quite shaken. With tears in my eyes said please can you apologise to DP. He said he never said that. I said well you did. Mum comes blazing in. Huge argument where she’s screaming that we are liars. DP and I both call them out and say you might not remember but it happened and last night was outrageous behaviour and we aren’t having it.

Anyway they didn’t get over it. For the whole week they sulked, silent treatment, and when the did interact were spiteful and nasty to me and DP. Ignored the children who were so naively wanting to interact with them. Huffing, door slamming. Would blow up every now and then about how it’s all our fault and we want to ruin the wedding. I felt so embarrassed and awful that I was putting my DP and children through this but I couldn’t leave. I think that’s what they wanted. They always pit my sister and I against each other in manufactured petty drama. It wasn’t an option to leave before her wedding.

We held it together but it was foul. We put on brave faces and tried our best to show up for the wedding and ancillary events and I think it went unnoticed. I tried reasoning with my parents. They then decided it wasn’t me it was all DP. A long list of offences from pre-argument included he was not happy with the house (untrue), not happy with the car seats (true but he didn’t express that just quietly grappled with them for the best part of 40 minutes trying to get them as well attached as possible); that we thought the car was ours and had no intention of sharing, we were ungrateful, rude, that we were originally unhappy (untrue).

It was honestly a week from hell. So petty. So damaging I don’t think we can come back from this. My DP shaken and in tears at times. My children confused and rejected. My poor sister likely picked up on something too, I don’t know how she couldn’t have - her wedding day tainted.

It’s all so dramatic and over nothing (well I suspect they were upset we didn’t pick them up?). I have no idea. Would you go NC?

OP posts:
StrawberryWater · 06/05/2025 16:13

I would.

Life is too short to put up with assholes.

Go and enjoy your family and DP and enjoy the peace.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 06/05/2025 16:14

What on earth were you doing staying with and sharing a car with Mr and Mrs Nuts?

Surely you know what your parents are like OP. Were you expecting them to somehow miraculously be other people for the time you were together?

Just go low contact , leave if they get drunk and start 'screaming' and don't book accommodation with them again. You're not going to get an apology. Have they ever apologised?

The only reason I suggest staying in contact is because of your children but if they affect them then don't.

TwinklyRoseTurtle · 06/05/2025 16:19

100% go low contact besides everything else that happened it’s despicable how they treated their own grandchildren and I think that’s the part that would make me cut them off- I think they clearly feel very resentful of you and your dp for some reason, maybe financial?

JustRollIt · 06/05/2025 16:19

What positives do they add to your life? I had a horrible grandparent I wish my parents had gone no contact with. You just end up hearing them slag off your parents to your face, not a nice thing to have been subjected to. If they are not nice people to be around then don't subject yourself or your children to them.

If your Mum goes down the we want to see you front ask her why when she makes it very clear she doesn't enjoy spending time with either you or your poor DP.

Luddite26 · 06/05/2025 16:19

Oh my god I had to skim read from half way how bloody stressful. It's just given me PTSD.
Yes go no or low. Never Ever stay with them again. What a pair. Screaming at you when trying to have your dinner. Your quiet father obviously can't stand your DH. Where were your poor children during the initial row. Definitely keep them away.
Poor DC trying to interact. Horrible pair of c©®**.
I need a coffee after reading that. What was your childhood like?
Did they always drink/nasty drunks?💐

Kattovitpanic · 06/05/2025 16:27

Yeah, they sound awful. Being willing to be like this at your sister’s wedding, and to treat their grandchildren poorly - I think you and your kids would be better off without them in your lives. I wouldn’t bother trying to explain or justify your decision to them, just quietly fade out of their lives as far as you can, and if you have to be around them for any family events, make sure you are not in any way dependent on or beholden to them. Sorry OP, it sounds like a horrible experience and it’s hard to go NC - there’s that sense of having to mourn that the relationships weren’t what you should have had, but it sounds like you will be happier once the decision is made.

OriginalUsername2 · 06/05/2025 16:27

It’s a hard decision but what would swing it for me is the children. They shouldn’t be anywhere near this type of behaviour or taught that it’s normal.

I’m sorry it’s been normal for you. Sometimes it takes an outsider to witness the situation - then you see what they see and it opens your eyes.

nopineapplepizza · 06/05/2025 16:31

Yep.

Your life will be so much better without people like this in it.

Ph3 · 06/05/2025 16:32

@Statelyhomes OP - I’m so sorry! It sounds so incredibly stressful. If you can’t reason with them I don’t think there is much you can do. If people are open to solve disagreements is one thing but this is not that.

NoPrivateSpy · 06/05/2025 16:34

Oh OP, this sounds truly horrible. Only you can decide whether this is enough to go non contact but I would definitely suggest a discussion with your sister, once the nuptials and honeymoon are over. I am sure she would want to support you unpick what is happening here.

Do you have any indication of why else they might be acting like this? Do they have history for sabotaging important events? Any chance they are reacting really badly to ‘losing’ both daughters?

I find it hard to believe that they would be quite so vile to your family as a result of what you have written. No one I know would let the relationships with the children suffer in that way.

You are right to hold firm on your boundaries to apologise to DH.

bigboykitty · 06/05/2025 16:49

I'd be done. It sounds like your mum may have alcohol (is your dad a drinker too?) and/or personality issues. Your dad sounds like he's your mum's enabler. You can't reason with this dysfunctional nonsense and will never be able to get on the same page. Enough is enough.

BeNiceWhenItsFinished · 06/05/2025 16:50

That would be the absolute end for me.

ItGhoul · 06/05/2025 16:52

In short, yes.

Honestly, I was feeling annoyed and stressed on your behalf from the moment you said your mum was telling your child to get up and wander around the plane.

I actually think that for me, laying into my partner would have been the final straw. I might be able to deal with my parents being arseholes to me, but I couldn't stand for them turning on my partner. And whatever their beef with you and him, it's utterly unforgivable that they kept rejecting your children. Really, really nasty behaviour. I would find it hard to move past it and I would be inclined to cut contact with with them before your kids get old enough to be dragged into their nonsense.

You and your partner both sound lovely, by the way.

Maddy70 · 06/05/2025 17:04

NC is super dramatic. You had a shit holiday.
Go low contact

S0j0urn4r · 06/05/2025 17:08

Yes.

Someone2025 · 06/05/2025 17:10

Statelyhomes · 06/05/2025 16:04

My sisters wedding abroad. We manage to get a newborn and a 2/3yo child over there without a hitch. Perfect flight. Accommodation amazing. Weather glorious. Everything great.

Day one is the young child’s birthday. We did their presents and party a week before so they could have the full experience. So we didn’t do the whole birthday thing as didn’t want to confuse them. But we did want to have a really nice day. Planned to visit a very cool park, have lunch and an other fun visit for the afternoon.

My parents didn’t want to come to the planned events. Said they wanted to chill. Many family were arriving in the town so not offended by this. We had one car between us all. They said they would be fine making their own way around with taxis and for us not to worry about them.

My mother is very intense and stressy, also a contrarian. Constantly doing the opposite to what I say. Ie. On the plane keeps telling my child he can come out of his seatbelt and wander the plane. I say no please (as what an utter nightmare it would be to get him back in). This is just one example. It’s a constant stream. Minor and major. My dad is quiet. Quite intense also but can be lighthearted and is usually the reasonable one.

Anyway. We have the best day. Then get home at 7pm. No sight of my parents but then they have met many in the town so assume they are having a great time drinking. Received a phone call half an hour later. Can we pick them up? I said ‘oh, DP has just had half a beer and we are doing dinner and bedtime’. Do you really need picking up? They say it’s fine no worries - they can get a cab.

Turns out getting a cab was a nightmare and another relative had to drive them back. We say oh no. Sit down and start dinner for ourselves. I say to my mum well what’s the plan for tommorow then? She says why do we need to make plans? I said because it would be nice to tell DC what we are doing and also as we have to make sure we share the car now. She’s going on and on drunk about why do we need to tell DC what we are doing? Clearly just wanting to critique our parenting. I said because we do and why is it a big deal. Takes serious offence that we told DC we were going to the park. I said why does it matter. This is clearly annoying you - why? She said it is. She doesn’t know why and will think about it. I said well we need a plan because of the car anyway. Then starts gaslighting that it was me who said we should have one car and it’s all my fault. Ends up in her screaming at me whilst I am just sitting trying to eat dinner.

Meanwhile my partner left. It’s best to avoid my mum when she’s drunk and on a warpath like this. It’s quite normal. He went and sat with my dad in the porch as thought he looked lonely. Started chatting about a work meeting tomorrow that was worrying him. My dad turns round and very spitefully starts saying he deserves everything he gets for ripping off public services (which he doesn’t otherwise we wouldn’t get any work). DP then just leaves and goes to bed but quite upset and shocked.

Next morning I find out about the incident with my dad. I was very sad, quite shaken. With tears in my eyes said please can you apologise to DP. He said he never said that. I said well you did. Mum comes blazing in. Huge argument where she’s screaming that we are liars. DP and I both call them out and say you might not remember but it happened and last night was outrageous behaviour and we aren’t having it.

Anyway they didn’t get over it. For the whole week they sulked, silent treatment, and when the did interact were spiteful and nasty to me and DP. Ignored the children who were so naively wanting to interact with them. Huffing, door slamming. Would blow up every now and then about how it’s all our fault and we want to ruin the wedding. I felt so embarrassed and awful that I was putting my DP and children through this but I couldn’t leave. I think that’s what they wanted. They always pit my sister and I against each other in manufactured petty drama. It wasn’t an option to leave before her wedding.

We held it together but it was foul. We put on brave faces and tried our best to show up for the wedding and ancillary events and I think it went unnoticed. I tried reasoning with my parents. They then decided it wasn’t me it was all DP. A long list of offences from pre-argument included he was not happy with the house (untrue), not happy with the car seats (true but he didn’t express that just quietly grappled with them for the best part of 40 minutes trying to get them as well attached as possible); that we thought the car was ours and had no intention of sharing, we were ungrateful, rude, that we were originally unhappy (untrue).

It was honestly a week from hell. So petty. So damaging I don’t think we can come back from this. My DP shaken and in tears at times. My children confused and rejected. My poor sister likely picked up on something too, I don’t know how she couldn’t have - her wedding day tainted.

It’s all so dramatic and over nothing (well I suspect they were upset we didn’t pick them up?). I have no idea. Would you go NC?

They sound quite nasty, I would definitely be going low contact with them for a while to get over this and see what happens

My mother can also be quite difficult (79), she is mentally fine, just chooses to be difficult and a bit of a shit stirrer, very critical and passive aggressive so I sympathise with you, at least my father is very sound and reasonable and tells her off sometimes for her behaviour…..doesn’t stop her for long though as she is arrogant enough to never think she is wrong

MaggiesShadow · 06/05/2025 17:10

I think this is a combination of being in such close quarters, your parents being drunk, you being a bit precious about the children, and a bit dramatic with tears in your eyes asking for an apology for your partner because of a snarky comment...

What I'm saying is that there seems to be fault on all sides, though IMO your mother is the most badly behaved. I'm not sure I'd go completely NC but I wouldn't be falling over myself to see or speak to them much!

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 06/05/2025 17:15

More than anything else you need to speak to your sister before long. You said your mother tries to play you off against each other - if you do go NC then she will drip a lot of poison in your sister's ear.

I would apologise for the tension in the air, and put your side, and make it very clear that you're stepping back (either some way or wholly) from your parents, but that you value her and you're afraid your mother will be spiteful and try to create a wedge, and that you really don't want to happen. Keep in close contact with your sister.

Regarding your parents they sound like the THEY ARE RIGHT sort no matter how appallingly they behave. I would stop making an effort with them and leave it to them to reach out, and keep any meetings in a cafe. If they start getting critical, leave. You may find they are orbiting so far out from normality that contact fades fairly fast.

I'm sorry - this kind of crap really is heartbreaking. It may be that they were feeling tense from such a special occasion and their behaviour nose-dived, but that is no excuse. How were they at your own wedding?

thedeadneverdie · 06/05/2025 17:16

Never share a car abroad. How long would it have taken you to pick them up?

thepariscrimefiles · 06/05/2025 17:18

What horrible people your parents are. Absolutely go no contact to protect you, your DH and your children. They sound utterly toxic.

Bunnyisputbackinthebox · 06/05/2025 17:20

Last time my dm flounced I left her to it.
For 10 years...
Leave them be and embrace the new drama free life...

Statelyhomes · 06/05/2025 17:28

Surely you know what your parents are like OP. Were you expecting them to somehow miraculously be other people for the time you were together?

Its only ever targeted at me. I am long in the tooth at dealing with this behaviour so it’s like water off a ducks back. I never bother to ask for an apology because it wouldnt happen and I just file it under ‘drunk’. But I wasn't going to accept anything less than apology to my DP. My dad being the usually reasonable one I wasn’t expecting him to deny it and for it to blow up. I thought he would go oh no did I?! And apologise.

Where were the children?
In bed for the evening chaos, but unfortunately there having breakfast in the kitchen for the morning blow up. Felt awful about that. And after having to deal with the atmosphere and rejection.

What was your childhood like?
It was like that all the time. Me being the one having caused arguments. Always all my fault. I dont remember any of the details of why these arguments happened; just the sadness, anger at feeling the unjustness and general confusion. But as I grew into an adult and had space; and became wiser on how to deal with them things became calmer. It wasn't so much an issue. These moments were just drunk them, or contrarian them, or intense them. About childhood I tried not really to bother dissecting it. Partly wondered maybe it was really me? I thought oh well it’s all in the past anyway. They are my parents. It is what it is.

You should talk to your sister/ outside experience?
I think thats whats really affected me this time. Watching them go at DP from an outside perspective in a way made me realise it probably wasn't me. That in hindsight I think the toxicity has really affected my sister and Is relationship into being not close and quite guarded. That I cant talk to her about this because that will be me trying to make her wedding about me.

It is all really fucked up and so many childhood memories have come flooding back. Me crying on the floor begging them to be reasonable, them chasing me around the house when I tried to get away to shout at me more, my 18th birthday when my present was car insurance but they orchestrated some argument in the afternoon which resulted in it being withheld and I had to sit in my room crying that evening until a kind friend lent me the money.

It’s all very sad! I went in to this week expecting utter joy. To show off our newborn, my son to spend time with immediate and extended family. To enjoy the most glorious wedding my sister spent so much time and money on. To watch her start her new life. Celebrate her. And really I have left shellshocked and emotionally drained; with my illusion/ disillusion of my life shattered. That really I do have awful parents, my childhood likely was incredibly toxic and that somehow no matter what I do now; contact, LC, NC - that it will still all be my fault. The realisation that my sister and Is relationship has been so tainted by all this over the years and what a shame.

It’s all just a lot and it is a struggle to process.

OP posts:
thedeadneverdie · 06/05/2025 17:37

How long would it have taken you to pick them up?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 06/05/2025 17:38

The problem many survivors of abusive parents have is that they live in hope that they'll change and turn into the parents you need.

It's devastating to realise that will never happen but it means that you stay in a dysfunctional dynamic for years.

I was reading about you attempting to rationalise with a drunk lunatic wondering what you were doing. You seem stuck in a child's role instead of taking control like an adult.

You might find Toxic Parents by Susan Forward a helpful read.

2024onwardsandup · 06/05/2025 17:43

The only reason I wouldn’t go NC now is because they will make it about your sisters wedding - ie your sisters wedding will forever be the cause of the fallout.

so I’d go low contact for a few months and then do a freeze out.

They want a reaction from you

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