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Would you go NC over this?

51 replies

Statelyhomes · 06/05/2025 16:04

My sisters wedding abroad. We manage to get a newborn and a 2/3yo child over there without a hitch. Perfect flight. Accommodation amazing. Weather glorious. Everything great.

Day one is the young child’s birthday. We did their presents and party a week before so they could have the full experience. So we didn’t do the whole birthday thing as didn’t want to confuse them. But we did want to have a really nice day. Planned to visit a very cool park, have lunch and an other fun visit for the afternoon.

My parents didn’t want to come to the planned events. Said they wanted to chill. Many family were arriving in the town so not offended by this. We had one car between us all. They said they would be fine making their own way around with taxis and for us not to worry about them.

My mother is very intense and stressy, also a contrarian. Constantly doing the opposite to what I say. Ie. On the plane keeps telling my child he can come out of his seatbelt and wander the plane. I say no please (as what an utter nightmare it would be to get him back in). This is just one example. It’s a constant stream. Minor and major. My dad is quiet. Quite intense also but can be lighthearted and is usually the reasonable one.

Anyway. We have the best day. Then get home at 7pm. No sight of my parents but then they have met many in the town so assume they are having a great time drinking. Received a phone call half an hour later. Can we pick them up? I said ‘oh, DP has just had half a beer and we are doing dinner and bedtime’. Do you really need picking up? They say it’s fine no worries - they can get a cab.

Turns out getting a cab was a nightmare and another relative had to drive them back. We say oh no. Sit down and start dinner for ourselves. I say to my mum well what’s the plan for tommorow then? She says why do we need to make plans? I said because it would be nice to tell DC what we are doing and also as we have to make sure we share the car now. She’s going on and on drunk about why do we need to tell DC what we are doing? Clearly just wanting to critique our parenting. I said because we do and why is it a big deal. Takes serious offence that we told DC we were going to the park. I said why does it matter. This is clearly annoying you - why? She said it is. She doesn’t know why and will think about it. I said well we need a plan because of the car anyway. Then starts gaslighting that it was me who said we should have one car and it’s all my fault. Ends up in her screaming at me whilst I am just sitting trying to eat dinner.

Meanwhile my partner left. It’s best to avoid my mum when she’s drunk and on a warpath like this. It’s quite normal. He went and sat with my dad in the porch as thought he looked lonely. Started chatting about a work meeting tomorrow that was worrying him. My dad turns round and very spitefully starts saying he deserves everything he gets for ripping off public services (which he doesn’t otherwise we wouldn’t get any work). DP then just leaves and goes to bed but quite upset and shocked.

Next morning I find out about the incident with my dad. I was very sad, quite shaken. With tears in my eyes said please can you apologise to DP. He said he never said that. I said well you did. Mum comes blazing in. Huge argument where she’s screaming that we are liars. DP and I both call them out and say you might not remember but it happened and last night was outrageous behaviour and we aren’t having it.

Anyway they didn’t get over it. For the whole week they sulked, silent treatment, and when the did interact were spiteful and nasty to me and DP. Ignored the children who were so naively wanting to interact with them. Huffing, door slamming. Would blow up every now and then about how it’s all our fault and we want to ruin the wedding. I felt so embarrassed and awful that I was putting my DP and children through this but I couldn’t leave. I think that’s what they wanted. They always pit my sister and I against each other in manufactured petty drama. It wasn’t an option to leave before her wedding.

We held it together but it was foul. We put on brave faces and tried our best to show up for the wedding and ancillary events and I think it went unnoticed. I tried reasoning with my parents. They then decided it wasn’t me it was all DP. A long list of offences from pre-argument included he was not happy with the house (untrue), not happy with the car seats (true but he didn’t express that just quietly grappled with them for the best part of 40 minutes trying to get them as well attached as possible); that we thought the car was ours and had no intention of sharing, we were ungrateful, rude, that we were originally unhappy (untrue).

It was honestly a week from hell. So petty. So damaging I don’t think we can come back from this. My DP shaken and in tears at times. My children confused and rejected. My poor sister likely picked up on something too, I don’t know how she couldn’t have - her wedding day tainted.

It’s all so dramatic and over nothing (well I suspect they were upset we didn’t pick them up?). I have no idea. Would you go NC?

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2024onwardsandup · 06/05/2025 17:46

Im NC but have managed to now have a workable relationship with my sister - she still sees them. We just don’t talk about them. She’s knows why I’m NC and I don’t think she surprised (she’s got her own issues).

DeepLimeBird · 06/05/2025 17:46

OP my mother was exactly like this and my father was her enabler. Everything was my fault, even things that happened before I was even born. My dad died a few years ago. I am NC with my mother and it’s the best thing I’ve ever done.

Statelyhomes · 06/05/2025 17:52

thedeadneverdie · 06/05/2025 17:37

How long would it have taken you to pick them up?

Not long. Probably about 30 minutes max round trip. But it was a zero tolerance drink drive country and we were doing dinner/ bedtime with a newborn in witching hour and a young child.

I didn’t say no. I just paused and said oh - explained the beer and children, my mother cut me off quite breezily saying don’t worry it’s fine.

I think at that point they didn’t realise taxis were an issue. But they never called us back to ask for help. Just turned up a couple of hours later.

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Statelyhomes · 06/05/2025 17:54

2024onwardsandup · 06/05/2025 17:43

The only reason I wouldn’t go NC now is because they will make it about your sisters wedding - ie your sisters wedding will forever be the cause of the fallout.

so I’d go low contact for a few months and then do a freeze out.

They want a reaction from you

Yes true

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saltnvinegarhulahoops · 06/05/2025 17:54

Go low/no contact with them, but make sure to reach out to your sister and tell her that you had a great time at her wedding, she looked great etc (lay it on thick), but your parents were acting in such an unreasonable fashion that you need to take some time to process their actions. Your mum will try to pit you against one another, so it is important to create a relationship outside of that. Also have a somewhat toxic mum (though she doesn't drink... I can only imagine if she did), and the best thing my sister and I ever did was bond in our later 20s and we discovered that we both had a lot of mum issues which had set us against each other in our teenage years. We're close now, but wow it did a number on us both growing up. Don't lose that as your mum will "win".

Anyonefoundmysparesock · 06/05/2025 17:57

OP for your own families sake I would minimise contact. I have similar experience just without the alcohol. Family dynamics like this never gets better, no matter how much work you do on yourself, you or someone in your little family will always be under attack with rewritten history and gaslighting. Its so toxic for little ones to grown up in.

It takes everything out of you to try and understand where you are going wrong, how you promise yourself you will approach things differently next time, how you will avoid x y and z, and its endless chess game of taboo scenarios you try and forsee in order to survive the next upset. Protect your family from this, your partner should not be in tears over things like this, and your children will be caught in the fire of this.

Whatever you do it will never resolve anything with individuals like this. You love them and all but they are toxic.

OhBow · 06/05/2025 18:10

You say it's water off a duck's back but deep down this will have damaged you enormously.

Imagine someone you love being treated like you are. You'd be outraged and furious, and want to protect them.

Please protect yourself.

thedeadneverdie · 06/05/2025 18:15

Things got heated. There is a lot of resentment on both sides. As other posters have said don’t react now. Don’t let them make you be the person they believe you to be. Be smarter. Stop being their scapegoat. Bide your time. Consider your next move. Protect yourself and your family but don’t go nuclear.

It hurts. It’s shit. But now you know. You have more power.

persikmeow · 06/05/2025 18:15

Yes if you feel ready. Mine are like this and I am very low contact with them (living in a different country so relatively easy to do so). If when they come over they behave unreasonably, I would flag it after DC have gone to bed and refuse to get involved in an argument / explain myself in more than one sentence. Basically speaking to my mum like she is an overstimulated 2 year old, “I will not allow an alcoholic drinking in front of my child”. - “But you drink wine in front of him!” - “In my opinion, there is a difference between having a glass of wine with dinner and drinking until you pass out on the sofa, and this conversation is over”.

It took a long time to stop assuming responsibility for their feelings, but I am getting better at it. If they want to leave, they can leave and I won’t do anything to stop them. If my mum wants to cry and say I am a terrible daughter, I’ll nod and take my cup of tea to my office.

Also, you have done absolutely nothing to deserve this, and your DP sounds lovely. Focus on what you can influence - your own immediate family.

Chungai · 06/05/2025 18:25

OhBow · 06/05/2025 18:10

You say it's water off a duck's back but deep down this will have damaged you enormously.

Imagine someone you love being treated like you are. You'd be outraged and furious, and want to protect them.

Please protect yourself.

Yes - also it's water off a ducks back for you (aka you are so ground down by it you have come to expect it) but it's not for your DP or your children.

My DH accepts his mother's behaviour but I find it toxic.

He finds my father's behaviour toxic - whereas I've become used to it so it doesn't shock me as much.

We both realise it's not healthy for our DC to be around it though.

Fluffyholeysocks · 06/05/2025 18:37

I would go LC with them and gradually fade them out. Whatever you do, don't allow your DM to accuse you of 'ruining your sisters wedding' - she will and you know she will if you react. So dont try and clear the air, don't speak to your sister about it - just don't talk about it. Just go LC with your parents, no blowups but no more holidays/days out etc. Let the dust settle and use the time to reset your relationship with your parents. If your sister asks about it I'd just tell her that your parents said some hurtful things when they were drunk and you don't want your children to witness anything like that again. Don't go into detail. Whatever you do, don't allow your mother to make you the enermy.

DodgersJammyAndOtherwise · 06/05/2025 18:51

OOoof, yes. Definitely drop them once it's all over and things have calmed down.

I recommend the slow fade and eventually block them and talk talk talk about it to anyone that will listen to try and get it out of your system.

They have clearly been bonkers forever and you have accepted this but they overstepped this time. You can't have a healthy relationship with these types. It is literally not possible.

I've been NC with my sister for the last fifteen years. I see her at family occasions and she has to have a pop at me about my having nothing to do with her and there it is, right there. The reason. She's painted me to be the asshole but luckily everyone else can see her unpleasant, overbearing and sarcastic personality.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 06/05/2025 18:54

Yes I would.
There is no reason on earth to choose to have wankers in your life.

TheOliveFinch · 06/05/2025 18:55

My parents behaved in a similar way and I didn’t want it around my children when they were younger. I didn’t go no contact but never stayed anywhere with them away from home after a miserable holiday or left my children with them as it was always more important for them to have a drink than spend time with their GC

Statelyhomes · 06/05/2025 21:26

Fluffyholeysocks · 06/05/2025 18:37

I would go LC with them and gradually fade them out. Whatever you do, don't allow your DM to accuse you of 'ruining your sisters wedding' - she will and you know she will if you react. So dont try and clear the air, don't speak to your sister about it - just don't talk about it. Just go LC with your parents, no blowups but no more holidays/days out etc. Let the dust settle and use the time to reset your relationship with your parents. If your sister asks about it I'd just tell her that your parents said some hurtful things when they were drunk and you don't want your children to witness anything like that again. Don't go into detail. Whatever you do, don't allow your mother to make you the enermy.

Thanks everyone. You have all been really kind and this has been really cathartic to get this all out.

I think I am going to do the above. They will still try to make me/ us the enemy but I honestly can’t think of a scenario out of this where they wouldn’t.

Maybe one day in many many years my sister and I can talk about this honestly but until then I agree it’s best to shield her from this. I am hoping she hasn’t noticed but I am not sure.

Thanks everyone ❤️

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SaraSunny · 06/05/2025 22:06

Statelyhomes · 06/05/2025 16:04

My sisters wedding abroad. We manage to get a newborn and a 2/3yo child over there without a hitch. Perfect flight. Accommodation amazing. Weather glorious. Everything great.

Day one is the young child’s birthday. We did their presents and party a week before so they could have the full experience. So we didn’t do the whole birthday thing as didn’t want to confuse them. But we did want to have a really nice day. Planned to visit a very cool park, have lunch and an other fun visit for the afternoon.

My parents didn’t want to come to the planned events. Said they wanted to chill. Many family were arriving in the town so not offended by this. We had one car between us all. They said they would be fine making their own way around with taxis and for us not to worry about them.

My mother is very intense and stressy, also a contrarian. Constantly doing the opposite to what I say. Ie. On the plane keeps telling my child he can come out of his seatbelt and wander the plane. I say no please (as what an utter nightmare it would be to get him back in). This is just one example. It’s a constant stream. Minor and major. My dad is quiet. Quite intense also but can be lighthearted and is usually the reasonable one.

Anyway. We have the best day. Then get home at 7pm. No sight of my parents but then they have met many in the town so assume they are having a great time drinking. Received a phone call half an hour later. Can we pick them up? I said ‘oh, DP has just had half a beer and we are doing dinner and bedtime’. Do you really need picking up? They say it’s fine no worries - they can get a cab.

Turns out getting a cab was a nightmare and another relative had to drive them back. We say oh no. Sit down and start dinner for ourselves. I say to my mum well what’s the plan for tommorow then? She says why do we need to make plans? I said because it would be nice to tell DC what we are doing and also as we have to make sure we share the car now. She’s going on and on drunk about why do we need to tell DC what we are doing? Clearly just wanting to critique our parenting. I said because we do and why is it a big deal. Takes serious offence that we told DC we were going to the park. I said why does it matter. This is clearly annoying you - why? She said it is. She doesn’t know why and will think about it. I said well we need a plan because of the car anyway. Then starts gaslighting that it was me who said we should have one car and it’s all my fault. Ends up in her screaming at me whilst I am just sitting trying to eat dinner.

Meanwhile my partner left. It’s best to avoid my mum when she’s drunk and on a warpath like this. It’s quite normal. He went and sat with my dad in the porch as thought he looked lonely. Started chatting about a work meeting tomorrow that was worrying him. My dad turns round and very spitefully starts saying he deserves everything he gets for ripping off public services (which he doesn’t otherwise we wouldn’t get any work). DP then just leaves and goes to bed but quite upset and shocked.

Next morning I find out about the incident with my dad. I was very sad, quite shaken. With tears in my eyes said please can you apologise to DP. He said he never said that. I said well you did. Mum comes blazing in. Huge argument where she’s screaming that we are liars. DP and I both call them out and say you might not remember but it happened and last night was outrageous behaviour and we aren’t having it.

Anyway they didn’t get over it. For the whole week they sulked, silent treatment, and when the did interact were spiteful and nasty to me and DP. Ignored the children who were so naively wanting to interact with them. Huffing, door slamming. Would blow up every now and then about how it’s all our fault and we want to ruin the wedding. I felt so embarrassed and awful that I was putting my DP and children through this but I couldn’t leave. I think that’s what they wanted. They always pit my sister and I against each other in manufactured petty drama. It wasn’t an option to leave before her wedding.

We held it together but it was foul. We put on brave faces and tried our best to show up for the wedding and ancillary events and I think it went unnoticed. I tried reasoning with my parents. They then decided it wasn’t me it was all DP. A long list of offences from pre-argument included he was not happy with the house (untrue), not happy with the car seats (true but he didn’t express that just quietly grappled with them for the best part of 40 minutes trying to get them as well attached as possible); that we thought the car was ours and had no intention of sharing, we were ungrateful, rude, that we were originally unhappy (untrue).

It was honestly a week from hell. So petty. So damaging I don’t think we can come back from this. My DP shaken and in tears at times. My children confused and rejected. My poor sister likely picked up on something too, I don’t know how she couldn’t have - her wedding day tainted.

It’s all so dramatic and over nothing (well I suspect they were upset we didn’t pick them up?). I have no idea. Would you go NC?

I would go low contact for the short-term and see how it goes.

Have they apologised since? Do they acknowledge their behaviour?

Could it be they are jealous of you and your Partner?

Bunnyisputbackinthebox · 07/05/2025 12:41

After a decade of nc I had cause to contact my dm (not by choice!).. Too many feelings of being made to be the naughty dc came back again and again. It was affecting my ability to parent my dc tbh.. Went nc again. Been since 2012 and won't be contacting her again.
Accept you don't have the dps you wish you had...allow time to digest that and ime life will be much less stressful..

Statelyhomes · 07/05/2025 13:12

SaraSunny · 06/05/2025 22:06

I would go low contact for the short-term and see how it goes.

Have they apologised since? Do they acknowledge their behaviour?

Could it be they are jealous of you and your Partner?

No they didn’t apologise. Apparently we are supposed to apologise.

They haven’t acknowledged their behaviour.

I don’t see what they would be jealous of; but even if they were envious of something surely you would be happy for your children. I know that happens sometimes but I have never understood parental jealousy. No ones lives are perfect they are all just different.

I had to call to make sure some post holiday admin was completed. I think they are going NC/ LC with us so that’s that problem solved I suppose!

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Someone2025 · 07/05/2025 13:22

Statelyhomes · 07/05/2025 13:12

No they didn’t apologise. Apparently we are supposed to apologise.

They haven’t acknowledged their behaviour.

I don’t see what they would be jealous of; but even if they were envious of something surely you would be happy for your children. I know that happens sometimes but I have never understood parental jealousy. No ones lives are perfect they are all just different.

I had to call to make sure some post holiday admin was completed. I think they are going NC/ LC with us so that’s that problem solved I suppose!

So many stories of old people ( no dementia) getting extremely unreasonable / conniving and difficult in old age, so much so that they turn their own families away from them , quite sad really

Luddite26 · 07/05/2025 21:29

I'm not being nasty but then going lc/nc with you made me laugh! I hope you are ok.💐

NameChangedOfc · 07/05/2025 22:14

They wanted the wedding ruined and you as a scapegoat. I don't have an opinion on the going NC or not, but clearly they are awful parents and also awful grandparents. Cut them off your family life.

babystarsandmoon · 07/05/2025 22:20

I would go NC.

Statelyhomes · 07/05/2025 23:41

Luddite26 · 07/05/2025 21:29

I'm not being nasty but then going lc/nc with you made me laugh! I hope you are ok.💐

Thanks Luddite,

I am ok, I just feel really tired mainly. I don’t actually have any energy left for much emotion anymore.

It is a relief they are sulking as then I don’t have to have the LC/NC on my conscience.

I think I am just resigned to the situation now. There’s no point trying to fight any of it because that will just get twisted somehow. My mother’s probably bitching to all and sundry. No idea what my dad is doing/ feeling. Hopefully my sister is just enjoying her honeymoon blissfully unaware.

It is on our minds though. My DP and I just randomly musing.

He did say he thinks my dad is my mums enabler. Which is what others on here said but I don’t really know what that means. He asked me did my parents ever argue with each other. The answer to that is not really. Which is odd, because I never noticed that before and how can they be this way with me and my sister and others; but not to each other. Maybe they did and I just can’t remember. But I don’t think they did. That is weird.

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Statelyhomes · 06/06/2025 20:57

Update to this. Parents still haven’t called for must be over a month now. Tbh I haven’t called them either. Don’t know what there is to say.

But just had to try and explain this shit show to my sister. I really was in two minds about doing it as I explained above. But it’s her birthday soon and my tactical plan to try and meet shortly before hand didn’t work so she was suggesting something for her birthday weekend and I had to say we weren’t keen on having a family meet.

She didn’t really get it. Which is fair enough. I was there and I don’t fucking get it! But it’s been a drag to try to explain this - because there’s not much to actually warrant it worth explaining.

So the shitshow continues. And now my sister says she feels in the middle. Which is shit. That’s not what I was trying to do. This incident has made me reflect on our relationship and if I want us to have an open honest relationship then I should probably start that way and being open and honest. But maybe that was wrong. I have no idea.

Anyway thank you for listening to my offloading on here. It is really helpful. I was doing really ignoring the situation and have been having a great time with newborn. So hopefully can return to that 😊

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Salvagehunter · 06/06/2025 22:32

You are in the middle of so much toxicity. You come across as a genuinely good human being. Try to block them out and concentrate on your family. Life is too short to waste time worrying about narcissistic people who will never change

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