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Tech-bro widow

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tecbrowidow · 01/05/2025 22:27

My partner is a startup CTO. He works all day, takes a break for dinner (which to his credit he cooks) and then after our 3yo daughter goes to sleep he goes back to his desk and carries on working. At the weekends he often decides last minute he won't be doing things we had planned because he's too exhausted. When I try to talk to him about how lonely I feel he gets defensive or shuts down and goes silent. I'm the main earner and do the majority of the childcare. Does anyone else here feel like they're a widow to their partner's tech career?

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tecbrowidow · 02/05/2025 17:22

@Crikeyalmighty yeah, I'm on just shy of £80k and he earns £40k from work and an extra £10k a year from his mum who for her own reasons would rather give him cash monthly than, say, pay down our mortgage or take herself off on a cruise or whatever.

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Zone2NorthLondon · 02/05/2025 17:25

titchy · 02/05/2025 17:22

Out of interest are you going to respond to the other thread on intersex people you started?

Want an answer on a specific topic ask on that actual thread? It’s of no relevance to this thread

Codlingmoths · 02/05/2025 17:29

tecbrowidow · 02/05/2025 17:14

@Codlingmoths I don't think it would be fair on anyone if I left for two weeks without sharing that this was my plan. I have considered asking him to go away for a bit when he's up against a work deadline because I think I'd be less stressed if he wasn't at home when he's got the tunnel vision, and it would be clearer for everyone who is expected to be doing the childcare, but I think he'd say no to that.

How is he being fair on you? How would disappearing not be fair? You’d take dd and look after him, you’d be giving him what he might want to see how he found it. You say ‘I’d ask him to go in busy periods but he’d say no’- you really sound very passive, like you’ll occasionally say it would be nice if you had more time for us, and he says no my job is more important!! And you say ok yes dear I’ll carry on doing everything else. If you want change you need to insist more - how about you sit down and tell him next busy period you want him elsewhere, and if he won’t then you and dd will, you are at the end of your coping with an apparent partner who is not actually there and it’s really bad for dd to live with a dad who has no time and focus for her. Don’t bring her up to accept this in men op, that’s what you’re modelling.

Zone2NorthLondon · 02/05/2025 17:32

Codlingmoths · 02/05/2025 17:29

How is he being fair on you? How would disappearing not be fair? You’d take dd and look after him, you’d be giving him what he might want to see how he found it. You say ‘I’d ask him to go in busy periods but he’d say no’- you really sound very passive, like you’ll occasionally say it would be nice if you had more time for us, and he says no my job is more important!! And you say ok yes dear I’ll carry on doing everything else. If you want change you need to insist more - how about you sit down and tell him next busy period you want him elsewhere, and if he won’t then you and dd will, you are at the end of your coping with an apparent partner who is not actually there and it’s really bad for dd to live with a dad who has no time and focus for her. Don’t bring her up to accept this in men op, that’s what you’re modelling.

Agree with this
You're facilitating the he’s so very busy and important that you need to do all the heavy lifting
Are you married?in a CP? Is house in joint names
His mum pays him £10k pocket money, that’s a strange dynamic

tecbrowidow · 02/05/2025 17:35

@Codlingmoths it would also be very expensive to go away, and could make my life more complicated when it comes to nursery drop off and pick up. If I did it I think it'd have to be for a holiday or something.

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tecbrowidow · 02/05/2025 17:39

@Zone2NorthLondon the flat is in both our names, yes. We're not married or in a CP. I have a greater share in the flat. I think I have been facilitating him, but I'm not sure how to unwind that - obviously my child is the most important person here and if I back off and he doesn't pick up the slack it's her who will suffer in the end.

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InSpainTheRain · 02/05/2025 17:43

I've read all your posts, but I can't see what the time line is. For example if he's been doing this for sat 8-10 years and no result from his work then YANBU, but if he's being doing this for say 2 years, maybe it would be wrong to give up right now. Can you plan together on a time frame when he'd give up and get a different role?

By the way we are both in tech,we both work long hours because we enjoy, but DH is worse. If he's on a project he can do 14 hours days for months. But we enjoy it and it probably helps we both have the same career.

tecbrowidow · 02/05/2025 17:56

@InSpainTheRain he started this company summer 2019, and started actually getting an income from it around spring 2020 (investor money rather than profits). The startup is very much reliant on investor money, and their runway has always been in the months. That said, they've hired more staff recently, and they're managing to deliver the product finally and they have a constant flow of orders. It's a bit like being with a gambling addict I think, like he's laser focused on winning somehow, and he has big disappointments and big wins and that all causes his mood to go up and down.

I also work in tech - it's something which brought us together in the first place. I'm on the software side, so it's kind of nice because what we do is related but not totally overlapping so there's stuff to learn from each other.

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allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 02/05/2025 18:00

@tecbrowidow I helped you achieve your ambition of having a family so he spent what, an hour or two getting you pregnant and that equates to him spend every hour god send on his dream???? and when does he do any childcare if you do the majority and are also the breadwinner???

Crikeyalmighty · 02/05/2025 18:15

@tecbrowidowohgood guessing my part - I don’t think this is about the money which is still reasonable on his side - I think given the equity aspect too it’s worth hanging in there- I would tell him though he really needs to set aside specific times and hours to give a hand and also a couple of sessions a week be it evening or weekend of a few hours a time for you to have some free time that isn’t work - I do know what it’s like by the way- we have a business and my H is a workaholic - it’s not so bad now our son is27 but for quite a lot of years I felt like you

tecbrowidow · 02/05/2025 18:18

@allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld he does do childcare to be fair - drop off and pick ups from nursery, if she can't sleep before about midnight he tends to take over so I can sleep, and then I do wake-ups after midnight. He normally does a few hours on his own with our daughter at the weekend. I think the thing I'm sad about is he doesn't spend much time with me just the two of us. As soon as our daughter goes to sleep he's straight back to his desk, so when I get some time away from work or parenting I end up watching TV on my own. He's let me down around events too - like he slept through mother's day, he took a work call for over an hour during the day out I'd booked for my birthday, on New Year's Eve he went to bed and left me watching the TV alone.

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tecbrowidow · 02/05/2025 18:28

@Crikeyalmighty thanks for sharing your situation. I'm hoping that when my child is grown up me and my partner will have figured out how to have a relationship which makes us both feel happy and fulfilled. I do feel like he's got the capacity to change, and I've also learnt about myself that there are things I'd struggle with in any relationship - like being patient, not jumping to conclusions and really saying how I feel instead of using barbed comments. It's so hard. Do you feel like you've grown together over the years? Any advice on how you got through the hard times?

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Crikeyalmighty · 02/05/2025 18:50

@tecbrowidow ha I won’t give marital advice as my H is hard to live with and done quite a few things that were not kind or very loyal - what I will say is I learnt to not just focus on marriage and motherhood to the extent of anything else- don’t give up friendships -and in my Hs case at various stages I had to say’I’m off out at 7.30 till 10pm so you are on duty tonight - I stopped ‘asking’ - and did he change? In someways yes but in others not at all - but it matters less now our son is 27 - I would say it mattered less when he got to about 10 if I’m honest

Fuckfacetime · 02/05/2025 18:58

Hello. You are not married ? I skim read.

this comment assumes you are not married - ummmm you are a cash cow and entitled to none of the earnings if he does make it big and fucks off.

you need to get married. You are being taken for a ride.

Happyasarainbow · 02/05/2025 19:34

Have you ever looked at love languages? It seems like a lot of what you are looking for is quality time.

Crushed23 · 02/05/2025 19:41

tecbrowidow · 02/05/2025 17:56

@InSpainTheRain he started this company summer 2019, and started actually getting an income from it around spring 2020 (investor money rather than profits). The startup is very much reliant on investor money, and their runway has always been in the months. That said, they've hired more staff recently, and they're managing to deliver the product finally and they have a constant flow of orders. It's a bit like being with a gambling addict I think, like he's laser focused on winning somehow, and he has big disappointments and big wins and that all causes his mood to go up and down.

I also work in tech - it's something which brought us together in the first place. I'm on the software side, so it's kind of nice because what we do is related but not totally overlapping so there's stuff to learn from each other.

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2019? So for the past 5-6 years he’s only been bringing £40k pa to the table while you earn double that and do the heavy lifting with childcare etc. That’s ridiculous.

Agree with PP, you need to get married to see some of the big financial gains (if they ever materialise) that you’ve been facilitating all this time.

Zone2NorthLondon · 02/05/2025 20:35

What if when he make it big bucks,he fucks off, new life,new GF. He’s already checked out emotionally. He probably only stay because you’re the ATM

tecbrowidow · 02/05/2025 21:48

I'm not sure what to say to the people saying I should marry my partner. Sometimes when we're having a good day and I'm feeling in love I think to myself that I'd like to marry him. Sometimes I say it out loud but it's not a conversation which goes anywhere. The reason we're not married is the example of marriage I saw in my parents was unhappy. Marriage always felt like chains to me when I saw them bicker, and I thought that not marrying would save me from that fate. Now that I have a child and a home in common with my partner I realise that all the ties that bind people together come marriage or not, and I often reflect on vows - love, cherish, sickness, health, and think I wish we'd had this kind of agreement ever, because when I'm sick and need him to care for me he doesn't seem to understand that this is what I'd expected from our life together, and that's probably because we never discussed it. Do I think I need his tech bro millions if they ever come? Not really. Sure I'd resent it massively if he gets rich and leaves me for someone else, but I've made my own financial security so I don't feel like I should marry him in order to get his wealth. I know this doesn't really add up when I'm saying I'm hoping he makes some money so I can have more flexibility in my life.

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marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 02/05/2025 21:52

If you’re not happy don’t do it.

Fuckfacetime · 02/05/2025 22:06

Errr you are doing all the carrying here, and telling yourself ‘cool girlfriend’ stories to make it ok.

whatever we don’t know the truth of it.

I’d recommend though some therapy.

if nothing else put the facts into ChatGPT and see what comes out.

I just don’t see the point of being a mother, doing all the earning, with a ‘jam tomorrow’ husband.

hmmmm

tecbrowidow · 02/05/2025 22:35

@Fuckfacetime I'm learning the terms 'cool girlfriend' and 'jam tomorrow' for the first time here.

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Codlingmoths · 03/05/2025 02:01

I just cannot see in anything you say where this man shows he cares about you at all, it’s all you looking after him and trying to tiptoe around him and not ask too much and paying for him and he does some stuff for his child. He slept through Mother’s Day, he worked through your birthday thing YOU planned, he went to bed new years- when did he last do anything for you? What significant date was he last there for you on? What will happen if you ignore his birthday and Father’s Day this year? Stop giving and giving and thinking maybe in a decade he will care about me.

tecbrowidow · 03/05/2025 05:47

@Codlingmoths so he does do nice things for me:

  • I'm trying to eat more veg to stay healthy, so when he takes our daughter out at the weekend he goes to a nice green grocer and picks out tasty veg to eat for dinner, and then he makes it as well
  • If I organise a babysitter he'll book a nice restaurant and a movie for us
  • He comes on trips to see my family with me and looks after our daughter fairly equally when we're away so I get a chance to catch up with people rather than just running around after her
  • He cooks nice food three nights a week, when he cooks I sit on the sofa and watch cartoons with our daughter
  • On Saturdays I take our daughter out and he cleans the kitchen and living room
  • I've been doing a creative writing class and he looks after our daughter solo when I'm out at that class

I think @Happyasarainbowhas a good point about love languages. The things I'm missing are:

  • I want one to one time with him and deeper conversation
  • more physical intimacy
  • a collaborative approach to planning our future together with affirmation he's thinking about me
  • I want him to pay attention to special dates and make them feel special
  • I want him to also pay attention to important life events for me and live my wins and losses together (Some examples of how he's not showing up for me there are he was totally ambivalent when I came into some money unexpectedly recently, not at all interested in whether I used it for the mortgage or something else. He was also you emotionally absent when my uncle died and I was grieving, which was very isolating for me.)
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PorpoiseWithPurpose · 03/05/2025 06:23

Read the book, “how not to hate your husband after kids”

The book review below sums it up & I think it will help you completely shake up your relationship dynamic. You come across so passive and worn down.

————

I read Jancee Dunn's book the night after I'd hidden in the bathroom, silently sobbing into a towel so I wouldn't wake the baby—or my husband, who was sleeping through his third consecutive night shift that I was somehow pulling alone, despite us both working full-time. I wasn't crying from exhaustion. I was crying because I had just calculated how much child support he'd have to pay if I left him.

This isn't a book. It's a goddamn mirror reflecting the darkest thoughts of every mother who's ever fantasized about abandoning her family at 3AM, not because she doesn't love them, but because she's drowning and her partner is standing on the shore checking his phone.

  1. The Maternal Rage You Feel Isn't Mental Illness—It's Mathematics
Dunn ruthlessly quantifies what most parenting books politely ignore: the raw numerical inequality of modern parenthood. When she tracks hours spent on childcare (her: 35 weekly, him: 9) while both work full-time, it's not anecdotal—it's violence. The liberation comes in recognizing your homicidal thoughts aren't hormonal or "crazy"—they're the rational response to systemic theft of your time, sleep, and identity while someone who claims to love you watches from the sidelines.
  1. The "Mental Load" Isn't Just Unfair—It's Killing You Cell by Cell
What devastated me wasn't just Dunn's account of doing everything—it was her scientific exploration of what invisible labor does to a woman's brain and body. The constant vigilance of tracking every family need doesn't just make you tired—it restructures neural pathways, elevates cortisol, and accelerates aging. When her doctor finds her blood pressure dangerously high while her husband's remains perfect despite their supposedly "shared" stress, the physiological consequences of inequality are laid bare. You're not imagining it—this imbalance is literally shortening your life.
  1. Your Husband Isn't Just Annoying—He's Been Systematically Trained to Disable You
The book's most chilling insight comes when Dunn investigates how her competent, intelligent husband develops "strategic incompetence" around domestic tasks. Her research reveals it's not accidental—it's subconscious warfare honed through generations of male socialization. The weaponized helplessness ("Where does this go?"), the learned blindness to mess, the performance of bumbling assistance—these aren't personality quirks but sophisticated tactics to maintain privilege while appearing supportive. I'll never hear "just tell me what needs done" the same way again.
  1. The Fights You're Having Aren't About Chores—They're About Human Worth
Dunn's epiphany comes not in cataloging tasks but in recognizing the existential question beneath them: whose time and peace matter? When her husband unthinkingly preserves his exercise routine while she hasn't showered in days, when he sleeps through night wakings because he "has work" (as though she doesn't), when he requires praise for basic parenting—the underlying message is that his humanity outranks hers. This reframing transformed how I understood my own marriage's breaking points.
  1. You're Not Control-Freaking—You're Preventing Catastrophe
The section that left me breathless was Dunn's dissection of "maternal gatekeeping." Her therapist suggests she's "not letting go" of child-rearing tasks—until she documents the actual consequences of her husband's cavalier parenting: a toddler left in soiled clothes for hours, forgotten medications, a child nearly hit by a car while dad texts. The gut-punch: sometimes the "perfectionist mom" narrative masks legitimate terror of what happens when the backup system fails. I've never felt more vindicated about my inability to "just relax."
  1. Romance After Children Requires Blood Sacrifice—Usually Yours
Dunn's unflinching examination of post-baby intimacy problems goes beyond fatigue to something darker: the resentment poisoning attraction. Her account of faking interest while mentally calculating how many hours of sleep she's losing made me physically flinch with recognition. The breakthrough comes not through date nights or lingerie but through radical redistribution of invisible labor. Her documentation of how performing oral sex feels easier than asking for help with dishes exposes how parenthood turns sex into another form of female emotional labor.
  1. The Solutions Aren't Cute—They're Nuclear
What elevates this beyond primal-scream therapy is Dunn's scorched-earth approach to reconstruction. She brings in hostage negotiators. Corporate efficiency experts. Therapists who specialize in high-conflict divorce. The message is clear: half-measures will fail. Her implementation of NASA's black box system for critical communication during arguments saved not just her marriage but possibly her husband's life. This isn't about better chore charts—it's about dismantling and rebuilding the entire operational system of your relationship.

This book should be handed to every couple in the delivery room, not as celebration but as warning. Dunn doesn't offer gentle suggestions for reconnecting with your spouse—she offers battlefield triage for the psychological trauma that parenthood inflicts on females and marriages.

Codlingmoths · 03/05/2025 06:41
  • I'm trying to eat more veg to stay healthy, so when he takes our daughter out at the weekend he goes to a nice green grocer and picks out tasty veg to eat for dinner, and then he makes it as well. This is nice
  • If I organise a babysitter he'll book a nice restaurant and a movie for us this is matching your energy. It’s fine, and important to have, but is it super nice and thoughtful?
  • He comes on trips to see my family with me and looks after our daughter fairly equally when we're away so I get a chance to catch up with people rather than just running around after her He parents his own child perhaps up to half the time while away. Zero points awarded.
  • He cooks nice food three nights a week, when he cooks I sit on the sofa and watch cartoons with our daughter
he cooks 3 nights. There are 7 nights in a week. This is a minimum requirement, zero points awarded.
  • On Saturdays I take our daughter out and he cleans the kitchen and living room again, important to have but not super special, bit of a minimum requirement personally? He does some housework, zero points awarded.
  • I've been doing a creative writing class and he looks after our daughter solo when I'm out at that class
this is supportive.

so this is some nice things, and meeting the partner requirement to pull some weight, but a lot of it is also just basic in a partner? Are your standards pretty low? The special events are pretty shocking.